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I planted LZ in an exposed location. Time will tell.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« on: November 22, 2020, 01:35:53 AM »
For 3gal 7gal 15gal mango in ground...

1 square foot of sheetrock pounded to bits give/take each sound good?
I'll mix some with water & test pH too for fun.
What's mango & citrus' ultimate soil pH?  6?  6.5?  7?  I need target.

Sheet rock should not make a significant impact on soil pH, as it's near neutral.

Mangoes are less choosy compared to citrus, but both will do fine with a soil pH near 6.5.

If limestone exists as the bedrock with a thin layer of organic material on top as soil, then a more acidic topsoil will benefit the roots, as they will be in contact with a solid calcium source that just needs continual acidification to supply calcium.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cuttings for Trade
« on: November 21, 2020, 08:10:58 PM »
I'm bumping this up to see if there is any interest.

Many of the deciduous trees have several feet of scion available, if anyone is searching for these varieties.

I will be pruning sometime after dormancy.

If you like 'East Indian', you may also want to keep an eye out for 'Lady's Choice'.

Supposedly a less fibrous seedling aka, improved version.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« on: November 21, 2020, 08:03:27 PM »
Ok, so Ca sulfate is very similar to gypsum i read.  True?
Is sheetrock (scraps) a good source?  I could hammer some pieces in ziplock & spread around trees.
Or simply buy 5lbs of Ca sulfate & take the easy road.
Yes i'll be asking next how much to sprinkle around trees.  Wild guess- 1/2 cup?

Thanks again,

They are one and the same.
Go wild with calcium, chances are the trees will love it.

Sheet rock is an excellent source.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmons Trees in South Florida
« on: November 08, 2020, 07:16:51 PM »
I imagine they do quite well.
The part of Kyushuu I was in two summers ago was quite hot and humid, but persimmons did great there.

I wouldn't grow persimmon in a container.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Rio Star GF concern
« on: November 06, 2020, 06:00:52 PM »
For uneven mottling, the diagnosis is usually HLB.

We had a very hot year in East County San Diego (several days over 40*C, a couple reaching 45*), and all of my cherimoya leaves scorched, many defoliated.

Any tree with any kind of sugar apple ancestry (Atemoya, atemoya-cherimoya hybrids, saramoyo) are all doing excellent without showing any kind of stress.

I would recommend growing out cherimoya seeds for their high vigor and grafting improved atemoyas to it.

The Saramoyo grafts stayed dormant though they were grafted in the spring, only popping out when the tree defoliated.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi grafted persimmon tree
« on: November 04, 2020, 08:49:03 PM »
Easy to graft, like an apple. I prep scions in the winter if you have things to trade.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bieu kieu longan review
« on: November 04, 2020, 06:11:30 PM »
I've had these from Mark Lee.
Excellent sweetness. The flavor was reminiscent of Niagra grapes. His were usually less green, but more sun exposed.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mini mango tasting, SoCal grown
« on: October 31, 2020, 12:48:55 AM »
How do you compare the Alphonso to Val-Carrie?

I noticed their sap smells rather similar.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: persimmon collectors?
« on: October 30, 2020, 11:16:01 PM »
Chocolate and coffeecake may be that way, but Maru is not. Maru is pollination variant, but even when pollinated it has been way too astringent to eat hard. This may change later in the season. I let the astringent maru sit on the counter and dry up a little bit, and the astringency went away, great taste, like a very complex date.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Searching Chaffey Cherimoya seeds
« on: October 28, 2020, 09:04:05 PM »
You may also consider growing Pawpaw (Asimina triloba) as Har the annoa expert has compared it favorably to cherimoya.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold tolerance of cherimoyas
« on: October 27, 2020, 12:50:43 AM »
Some genetic work has been done to determine the cold tolerance of Cherimoya.

It appears that 'Chaffey' may be among the most cold tolerant of varieties.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inga as windbreak
« on: October 26, 2020, 04:02:06 PM »
It's a felluli, but the fruit are way under ripe.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inga as windbreak
« on: October 25, 2020, 10:32:25 PM »
I've never had a bad felluli, but the gene pool here is rather small.

I prefer the sweet slightly cinnamon taste of the edulis, it's like a large feijoa petal.

I've heard that tamarind make great windbreaks, and they are also leguminous.

Without training the roots deep, I don't think the outcome would be any different.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inga as windbreak
« on: October 25, 2020, 08:07:24 PM »
Here they send roots deep, but our rain is heavy and infrequent. Our soils are also quite deep.

Seems like unfortunately it will not perform this duty well in your area.

The poly gene is dominant.
The fruit produced by the seedling of a mono pollinated by a poly will have a 50% chance of being poly.
The fruit produced by the seedling of a poly pollinated by a poly will have a 75% chance of being poly.
The fruit produced by the seedling of a mono pollinated by a mono will have a 0% chance of being poly.

From a distance the fruit you were holding appeared to have some jelly seed. Fixable with gypsum.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Valencia Pride - Dwarf Tree
« on: October 24, 2020, 06:45:48 PM »
My Dad's tree after 2020 pruning done yesterday. Notice the tree is much wider than its height. The tallest branches left are on the outer canopy and will be bent downwards with next year's fruit. This should further limit upward growth. Eventually the tree might be 50 feet wide and 20 feet high if not hurricane pruned. A tree like that could shade a wide area and all fruit will still be pick-able with a pole.

Excellent suggestions. I may do the same with my white sapote, but I'm going to put 'Chestnut' on top since it grows more droopy than a Holiday avocado.

When I did it some time ago, it set a fruit. I didn't stick around to see if there were seeds inside.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: October 20, 2020, 06:39:24 PM »
I use the 0.5" cloth and haven't run into root girdling yet, but I've had them break down enough to where gophers can find their way in. Any kind of chicken wire has lasted maximum 2 years before I found evidence of gophers coming through them.

I have yet to find an economical source of hardware cloth.

If I leave out any kind of dead animal, the squirrels will be on it instantly, and they don't need any more food.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: October 19, 2020, 02:54:27 AM »
Even the heavy hardware cloth baskets I painstakingly weave by hand don't last more than a few years. I wouldn't bother with anything less, as thinner materials dissolve quickly.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lower soil ph with sulfuric acid
« on: October 17, 2020, 07:43:27 PM »
It works well, and you should use it, but only very dilute.

A few tablespoons per gallon should bring the pH right down.

I'm using it to titrate wood ash for a low chloride potassium fertilizer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Giant Peruvian Guava Air layering
« on: October 16, 2020, 01:02:52 AM »
Sounds pretty similar to the Benjamin, a selection of the mexican cream guava.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fiber in a Valencia Pride mango
« on: October 10, 2020, 01:52:58 AM »
Both are important, though it's often stated that the ratios are key.

Since calcium and potassium compete for uptake, as well as with nitrogen you get problems exacerbated by applying the wrong ratios.

The ratios of the nutrients in the fruit changes during the ripening process, and these nutrients affect ripening factors such as how large the fruit achieves as well as how the fruit will breakdown/ripen.

Cheap mangoes in stores are often valuable for comparison, as you can buy excellent examples that ripen well, and terrible examples of decent (normally fiberless) varieties with all kinds of nutrient deficiencies.

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