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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 21, 2019, 03:17:39 PM »
4-6 feet trunk to trunk

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 21, 2019, 12:58:58 AM »
As promised 😀

Brad LZ 8 months

Brad sweet tart 8 months

Florida orange sherbet with 3 seedlings planted around it (don't be fooled by how bushy it looks. Those are actually 4 plants, 3 of them are seedlings)

Florida tara lay 8 months

Florida Peach cobbler bought as 15 gallon, in ground for 8 months

Florida sweet tart, I've had this for 2 years (1 in pot and 1 year in ground)

Brad sweet tart and cac in ground for 8 months but I believe tree is 1.5 years old. Compare to the Florida 15 gallon (much bushier and compact) and 2 year old Florida sweet tart (spindly )

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Shasta Gold mandarin
« on: February 20, 2019, 11:41:32 PM »
Bob, those look great!

I have a few more hanging on my tree .

I have some Lee x nova also on a tree. Waiting to try those.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Shasta Gold mandarin
« on: February 17, 2019, 04:24:16 PM »
I'm still a big fan of Daisy. Last year I described it as complex. Having tried many figs this year and getting a sampling of what complex flavors can really taste like (and thereby force myself to refine my palate), I would have to update my description of Daisy

Full robust taste with some rich-citrus/berry overtones. Kind of like a mandarin fruit punch aftertaste. I picked 7 yesterday even though they're not fully ripe and my kids kept asking for more.

Favorite for me in my yard.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: February 15, 2019, 10:04:04 PM »
Anyone know about hass Rio?

See below link under varieties.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 14, 2019, 03:13:28 AM »
No pictures tonight due to rain.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 13, 2019, 09:21:36 PM »
When I get home I'll take pictures. They are healthy, full of leaves with tight node spacing and dense growth, and they are bigger than their Florida cohorts.

I'll take pictures of the trees I got from brad and planted last June and compare with Florida trees I received from excellent Florida nursery and planted at the same time (same size initially as well).

No comparison. Will also compare with Florida 7g and 15g. Those trees are bigger but less dense and leggy. Those j will have to prune back to shape them up and I spent some time in reaching them to give them a boost.


For all interested I've bought 4 grafted trees from brad past year and all 4 are growing much better than my Florida trees.they actually have dense growth and look like they're in their natural habitat. They easily made it though several rounds of Santa ana winds and more recently 5 days of morning frost.

Brad -thats a great looking tree and I'd buy it from you except I've already got a brad LZ creation! How is that ardith doing by the way?

Could you post some pictures? I am stuck with 20 different varieties of mangoes on turpentine rootstock before I read about it, most of mine were on 15/25 gallons and flowering currently. I am planning to grow ataulfo seedlings in deep nursery bags and graft as a replacements.

I had about 10 mangoes die spontaneously last year probably from gummosis. They were all in pots. It happened after the cold front late last February and March.

Death occured over the next 3-6 weeks with most trees showing droopy leaves that would slowly wrinkle followed by wrinkling and shriveling of the small branches. This shriveling worked its way towards the main branches and down the tree. I don't know if there was root damage and it caused the tree to die from the farthest reaches first or if the disease really did  start with the outside and progressed downwards... but I was able to get some growth by cutting way down on main trunk above graft union. The only tree to survive this way was kathy which is only now putting out little shoots. I have some kathy seedlings that I planted nearby that are outgrowing the original Florida tree.

So in summary it seems that when the California decline happens it is first noticed on the outer branches. It seems to follow prolonged periods of cold and/or wetness. Tree may be salvageable with extreme measures but with a low chance of success in my experience.

I did cut into the bark and the affected branches had lots of internal browning even in the bark that looked like it was unaffected. So if you cut back do so to clean green healthy wood and give yourself and the tree a good margin of healthy green tissue.


This is my Florida fruit punch with seedling inarched last september. Ot is firmly attached. I should pinch off the new rootstock growth.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 12, 2019, 11:56:04 PM »
For all interested I've bought 4 grafted trees from brad past year and all 4 are growing much better than my Florida trees.they actually have dense growth and look like they're in their natural habitat. They easily made it though several rounds of Santa ana winds and more recently 5 days of morning frost.

Brad -thats a great looking tree and I'd buy it from you except I've already got a brad LZ creation! How is that ardith doing by the way?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Frost of the year
« on: February 07, 2019, 02:08:38 AM »
Only 37F here last night, 13 Miles inland. All soursop seedlings are inside already; annona scions still under wraps; budding mango scion still looks good; stone fruit trees are liking this...yes, hope yours are ok too!

We are  not too far apart but I'm in the shallow valley between 2 hills (Anaheim hills and north tustin). I too had a thicker layer of frost on my car than I am used to.

Will have to check on plants. Last year 1/3 of my mangoes croaked about 3 weeks after the February frost. Brad, you re lucky the warm air rises. I did about 45 avocado grafts within the past few weeks. I just can't believe my rotten luck with weather and avocado grafts. If it's not Santa Ana's then its heavy rain and now frost following my avocado grafts.

Yup. Had a good layer of frost on the car. 32 at my place. Dodmt get a chance to see the mangoes. I saw seedling mamey with graft pushing that looks ok. I'm hoping that the collective goodness of the yard helped ward off some of the cold.

 Behl any damage? My climate is probably closest to yours?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: avocado scions??????????????
« on: January 29, 2019, 11:39:15 PM »
Is it true that any person can order Avocado scion wood from Julie Frink?

No. There is no formal mechanism for ordering. She is a volunteer hobbyist (I believe) at the uc avocado field and so has access to all sorts of neat things but she does it as a volunteer I believe.

She is a little hard to get a hold of. She is however very nice and very pleasant but also very busy as everyone from the area including the la and San Diego regions request scions from her. It was raining the week of our exchange so I'm pretty sure she didn't have as much time to harvest.

Some members have helped me out and I'm happy to help out as well. Some of my trees aren't too big. Patrick-i will harvest this weekend and mail to you and I was out of town last week and the weekend and am working all week until the weekend.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 6 pounders!
« on: January 27, 2019, 01:27:03 PM »
I think I saw a poster on Oscars site but didnt see anything that looked like that.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: January 26, 2019, 06:17:21 PM »
I've had mine for one California season and it seems identical in habit to my peach cobbler

Take that for what it's worth 😀

Tropical Fruit Discussion / 6 pounders!
« on: January 26, 2019, 06:08:53 PM »

Never heard of this variety. The reports of it being watery in November are off-putting as I wonder how much it can really improve afterwards.

As an aside, I've had trouble with other large avos (queen) ripening evenly. Is that a common problem with large avos?

The real kicker is that my wife is the one who spotted this article and sent it to me 😀. She is slowly turning to the fruit side.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Watermelon
« on: January 26, 2019, 12:24:14 AM »
When do you start planting watermelon seeds for good fruit?

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Mulberry?
« on: January 19, 2019, 04:26:38 AM »
Hey all

Sorry I've been out of touch lately. I've been dedicating a lot of time to figs lately. .. which are related to mulberry. You can get cuttings now and root them indoors to give them a headstart.  Or graft .


One day Iíll get to try it - maybe next year. I had great growth on my lz tree but had a large scaffold branch rip off in the winds. Luckily my trees are still growing! I didnít prune the tree well last year so some of the scaffolding branches originate from one spot on the tree. I think In subsequent  years I will selectively prune some of these large branches off but in the meantime I will see how things shape up over winter 😀.

Unless that is a terrible idea...

A couple of weeks ago I had one of Behlís sweet tart mangoes. Phenomenal! Not a single black spot on it (sorry Florida folks but every st I had from Florida had some large soft black spots in them), perfectly ripe, and a brix of >32 . It basically maxxed the meter. Now Iíve got 3 sweet tarts going in my yard, 2 from Brad and one I grafted from Behl. Sadly the seed from this amazing mango didnít make it. When I cracked open the seed huskier just didnít look right and never germinated.

If my mango trees can get through the winter then I think Iím looking at a good summer of growth next year. Fingers crossed.


There are many different varieties of orange so itis entirely possible that you tasted one variety many years ago from one grower or region but are now ordering a different type of orange from Florida.

I will also say that the flavor of citrus (same tree, same type) will change depending on growing conditions. When I was in the tropics they had green oranges from Brazil that were sweet but without the acid bite that I like to balance the flavors. One reason for this difference may be that Brazil doesnít get cold enough to stimulate enough acid production in the fruit.

Floridamay be similar. I have bought oranges from Florida that taste differently from the same cultivar grown locally here in California. Very different taste profile. I encourage you to seek out California citrus if you are not satisfied with the options you currently have and give it a try. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2-3 mango trees in one hole
« on: November 23, 2018, 12:43:11 AM »
Pc really is a slow grower. I had a multigraft with honey kiss and pineapple pleasure and hineykiss. Hk suffered random dieback of entire graft before putting out any new growth in early spring. Pc didnít grow AT ALL and pp nearly took over the whole tree. I grafted ndm and mc Tobit. Pc graft stayed green from last season but no growth until last month when it put out 2 new shoots. It skipped the entire growing season and decided to show some life just as itís dipping into the 40s at night.

Btw Iím in Detroit for the weekend. Itís 30 degrees here right now and I swear my yard feels like this at night during some winter nights. May explain why I get flowers in my 800 chill hour stone fruit trees that arenít supposed to flower in my area. May also explain why I lost so many mangoes last year 🤦🏽‍♂️

Will OS and  piŮa colada be good candidates for the one whole method ?
Running out of space .

Thanks Ed

I don't think so OS is more on the vigorous side.
Pina is not vigorous at all

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: feijoa pineapple guava
« on: November 21, 2018, 03:00:06 AM »
I bought a small tree a few months ago that is now defoliated due to the recent winds. Iím not sure if Iíll keep it or not. I tried fruit from a friends tree and wasnít impressed at all. There was an odd bitter aftertaste. I donít mind giving it some time but it wasnít love at first sight

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anonas
« on: November 21, 2018, 02:57:13 AM »
Are you guys hand pollinating to get those yields or letting entropy do its thing?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inga Vulpina Impostor
« on: November 21, 2018, 02:54:30 AM »
When is Inga grafting season in socal? I tried in July and wasnít successful but we did have high heat then.

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