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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sugar cane starters
« on: October 17, 2018, 02:11:14 AM »
Iím so used to seeing no shipping to CA that itís kind of refreshing to see some other place be on the list. Why India though?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GEM avocado in Los Angeles area?
« on: October 17, 2018, 02:05:14 AM »
Bonita creek nursery. Thatís where I got mine. In inland San Diego though. You might try laguna hills nursery in oc- they donít have it now but are ordering some avos from brokaw next year and brokaw propagates gem

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya questions
« on: October 17, 2018, 02:02:22 AM »
Iíve attached photos of my dwarf Brazilian papaya. Grew bonkers with fertigation and 30-10-10 fertilizer.

The picture of fruit shows main fruit and cat face fruit which donít rate as good. The cat face fruit are slightly deformed - round with puckered tip. I was told to relive those. Also remove any side branches.

My tree did get beat up in the wind. Several leaves snapped and it no longer looks bushy. I guess it looks like a real papaya tree and less of a papaya Bush now.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: October 05, 2018, 10:32:49 AM »
The third  mango in the first picture has sweet turd  written on it.

As in
Sweet turd

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: October 04, 2018, 09:52:51 PM »
As mango season approaches and end in SoCal I edit my top ten list once again

I told you that "SeŮorita" was the best out of the hundred or so we tried last year.

1. SeŮorita
6.Creme brŻlťe

is sweet turd a seedling of a known variety? And was it in your top 10? 😆

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jim Bacon Avocado
« on: October 04, 2018, 02:47:01 AM »
If youíve tasted bacon then youíre good to pass on jim bacon. Seedling if bacon, very vigorous, very precocious, and great as a pollinator but otherwise nothing to write home about flavor wise in my opinion but then again I donít like bacon avos so much. My in laws liked it though.

The tree ended up dying in a pot but the rootstock that shot up has grown well

I laughed when I read below that quality of jim bacon was questionable with poor taste. Just how I remember it. But it does make a pretty dark green fruit. And it holds fruit very well. First year 5 gallon had some 30 fruit on it which in the long term stunted its growth but was still amazing to behold.

Look on For the most part itís run by members. Cutting season is coming up and you should be able to find some cuttings.

You can also post on the buy sell trade section of - thatís how I started with my collection.

Good luck.

My first LSU purple will be ripe any day now. Looking forward to it

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fungal infect on mango, or something else?
« on: September 23, 2018, 11:50:41 AM »
i would check daily and stick your finger in the soil. If it feels damp then youíre still good. If it looks damp but you can slide your finger into the soil without encountering much moisture then I would water. You can always water from the bottom up in pots (self irrigation).

If you have several seedlings you can experiment with different watering schedules to see what works best for you. Maybe consider starting weekly... but just remember there are other factors such as amount of foliage (increases plant water loss) and heater being on (will also increase water loss)

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Keeping Kumquats?
« on: September 22, 2018, 07:45:58 PM »
Meiwa are more sweet (or more accurately speaking they are less bitter) than the other kumquats , in my humble yet highly accurate opinion 😀

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fungal infect on mango, or something else?
« on: September 22, 2018, 05:47:43 PM »
If youíre  growing indoors, I wonder if itís drying out (indoors at my house has very low humidity) or itís getting overwatered and itís dying from the distal ends where the roots can no longer support the growth. Fungal infection could be a possibility but at thleast end of the day I wonder if itís root related.

I had my 4 year old with me so we were sitting in the back. I was trying to make sure the volume was low on her cartoons so that people werenít disturbed by the sound.

Thanks for a great presentation today Warren. I never knew there were so many people interested in growing mangos in OC, and you did a marvelous job presenting the topic and teaching the ins and outs of mango growing.

I went to a mango talk in the summer that described mango flavors and the combinations of flavors experiencesd. I was surprised to see that connoisseurs has gauged 50-60 different flavor profiles to score mangos. Since then Iíve been able to pick out some of the different flavors highlighted from that talk.

But thatís more nuance. If youíre talking flavor bomb, try a pina colada mango. Out of all the mangos I tried this past year that cultivar tastes the least generic and most unique. It even had darker wedges of flesh inside like a mango (no Iím not making this up,  and no I donít think it was rotting or bad or a coincidence because I noticed the same pattern on the 4 that I had)

From there, you can experience more rose like or floral tastes, more concentrated sweet tastes, more citrus tones, more creamy tones (thatís how My brain interpreted the coconut cream and e4).

Even the seeds look different in those mangoes - like someone gave them a crew cut with like 2mm of fiber all the way around and thatís it!

Many of the mangoes will have combinations of flavors, just like I heard about in the lecture, and the flavors will hit at different times throughout the bite. Interestingly, flavor of mango will also change according to when it is picked and stage of ripeness. I had a fantastic fruit cocktail mango in Florida. 5 days later I had another one that  must have passed its prime flavor because it tasted like curdled cheese with no hint of mango at all.

My trees are fairly young but I managed to ripen a fruit punch mango. I still picked it a tad early and it took longer than I expected to soften but my wife and children asked for more of that one and were more enthusiastic for that mango than for standard store bought ones.

Hope that helps. In short, yes there is a wide variety of mango flavors out there. If you donít think you could tell the difference, try something that will really stand out like pina colada and see if you can appreciate the difference.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sienta Lone Mango
« on: September 18, 2018, 11:02:23 AM »
Iíll take a picture later today. Bought a plant from Lynn this past summer. 3 gallon though but I can get photos of leaves.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nishikawa Avocado - Aloha & Mahalo
« on: September 16, 2018, 09:15:01 PM »
I have 1 graft in the ground on one of the rootstock I got from you. I grafted on a lower branch which luckily provided it some shade during the heat wave. Itís now reaching out beyond the shade. I also have kahaluu (large and inground) , Yamagata (small but in ground) and murashige graft that just started pushing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jumbo Sweet Tart
« on: September 16, 2018, 11:01:12 AM »
I meant to graft onto :-)

Not sure if I should keep pruning the rootstock suckers or let them grow with an eye for the future.

Good stuff

You should probably cut all the rootstock suckers.  The bud sport(s) that they are referring to do not emanate directly from the rootstock.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: September 12, 2018, 04:09:36 AM »
Looking good Behl.

Mine is growing well but no more fruit from it this year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jumbo Sweet Tart
« on: September 12, 2018, 04:04:58 AM »
Not sure if I should keep pruning the rootstock suckers or let them grow with an eye for the future.

Good stuff

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Side veneer vs side cleft
« on: September 09, 2018, 12:50:25 PM »
Good luck. I have most success with veneer or modified veneer (a deeper cut that starts las a veneer but cuts towards middle of branch like a cleft).

The advantage of a veneer is you can adjust the width of the cut on the receiving branch to match the thickness or cut of the scion. With some really thin scions when Iíve only had thick rootstock Iíve even made the cut double wide on the rootstock and out both scions in side by side with acceptable results (one of the scions would take).

Takes practice for sure but for mangos when they are actively pushing Iíve found them to be somewhat forgiving. I typically shoot for sizing my scions just a hair smaller in diameter than the rootstock cut so that when it heals it is rounded as a while and doesnít protrude. I seem to have faster healing that way and better take.

Can take pictures later

Not just right technique, but with warm temps most citrus grafts should take and the plant will forgive some bad technique. You maybe better off with cleft or veneer grafts and leaving the bud grafting or chip budding for when you are more experienced (sorry if Iím assuming you donít have as much experience... just seems that way from your post).
Iíve been having scions lush within a week this past summer. I grafted earlier in February/March and didnít have pushes for a couple of months when temps were cooler. Active growth makes a big difference it seems.


I am using a "Zenport K106" grafting knife which is just what showed up when I searched for a grafting knife on amazon.  I think the bark is not slipping and I'm having to force it too much.   Also, I keep dropping the buds and I expect they are getting contaminated.  They are difficult to hold onto even if I leave a bit of leaf as a handle.

I'll keep at it, its nice to know that success is nearly certain with the right technique, and I simply have to improve my technique.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Punch baby mangoes... really red.
« on: September 02, 2018, 01:52:20 AM »
Thanks for the photo Warren. Mine should be ripe any day now. Itís about 2/3 red. Do you pick and eat or lick and let sit for a few days?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: August 31, 2018, 01:33:46 AM »
The traditional answer is no to both.

Brad described a technique to dramatically increase graft success earlier in this thread ( check July- early August).

I donít think rootstocks have successfully dwarfed the grafted branches but donít quote me o that.

I have reinecke and black beauty but havenít managed to fruit either. Flowers dry up and fall off.

I heard those were good varieties though. 😀

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what's happening to my annona grafts?
« on: August 31, 2018, 12:41:23 AM »
I agree it looks like a rootstock problem.

I think you can save it. I had a pierce that was like that last year. Gary from laguna hills told me to bareroot it and put it in their soil and baby it for a few months. Roots looked dead to me when I washed away the native soil. I put it in a cheap plastic greenhouse with misters over winter and it sprouted growth from both rootstock and main graft. Itís in ground now and isnít as robust as my others but itís growing and Iíll give it another season before judging.


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