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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: January 27, 2020, 12:26:41 AM »

Agree with Brad. I have a bacon seedling that has 7 varieties grafted onto it. Great structure and vigorous grower.

Bacon is the larger one.  Big seed makes a good rootstock.  The Stewarts have a good flavor sometimes, some of them are watery, some are ok.  But the have other issues like a little fiber, fruit fall off tree before getting oily, thin skin that cracks.  These avocados are pretty much crap to be honest.

The bacon tree is my favorite tree though, not fruit.  It's so strong and erect.  It would make a great frame to multi graft other types onto.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Affect of seeds on flavor in cherimoya
« on: December 29, 2019, 10:41:19 AM »
There are a few examples of fruits that, when pollinated, produce either larger or Fuller flavored fruit (some varieties of seedless citrus -which when pollinated can indeed have some seeds- figs certainly), and I believe we had a discussion on the forum last year about annonas exhibiting a special feature (I forget the name) where the pollinating partner influences the final taste of the fruit. So you could have 2 cherimoyas from the same tree with different pollinating father's that have differing tastes. This altered flavor profile can be associated with the presence of seeds and pollination, although in this case more seeds doesn't necessarily mean better flavor, just potentially different flavor

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Santa Teresa lemon
« on: December 08, 2019, 01:12:35 PM »
Careful with their soil. I've found they are very inconsistent with their soil and sometimes grow/ship in what seems to be really heavy organic material. Below are 3 avocados I received from them and planted. All dead within a month. The 4th picture is another avocado I planted at the same time from a local nursery that stresses not using wood chips and other organic material in immediate container . It's the healthy tree

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Air Layering with Water
« on: December 07, 2019, 08:37:23 PM »
I have rooted in water but haven't done airlayers with water

Carlos, I believe clonal Rootstock avocados are essentially airlayers. There is seedling Rootstock with the clonal variety like toro canyon grafted on top, then the grafted clonal portion is air layered to induce roots (I think for avocados this takes several months in the dark) then finally you graft your desired cultivar is onto the clonal graft that now has roots. The initial seedling Rootstock is cut off. You start off with 3 different plants and end up with the traditional 2.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lula vs. Nishikawa Avocado
« on: November 13, 2019, 12:54:55 PM »
I have nishikawa on a multigrafted tree. It has taken over and is easily the dominant branch. It is a monster outgrowing even my older trees. Waiting on flowers. It was grafted in summer of 2018 (yes, my only successful summer graft). It has survived and shrugged off 100 plus degree heat.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Daisy Mandarin
« on: November 08, 2019, 01:10:35 AM »
Evergreen nursery in San Diego. I looked into this quite a bit a few years ago. I think many growers quietly swapped out daisy for daisy sl, and so many trees labeled as daisy now are really daisy sl. My tree is labeled daisy and it has been seedless. As another poster mentioned, it does have a tropical fruit punch finish that I do like. David at Bonita Creek nursery told me last year he had actually procured some bonifide daisy sl trees.

CA Hockey, where did you find the Daisy SL ?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Santa Anas
« on: November 03, 2019, 02:41:24 AM »
Buttercream mango snapped at graft union. Other than that, trees surprisingly made it through. Even newly grafted tender growth on mangos figs and avos seemed to do just fine. A few lost leaves which revealed some surprise atemoyas hanging for me. I was worried I wouldn't have any annonas to show despite having some 9 trees each about 6-8 feet diameter.

Brad - hope everything is ok.
And hope we're done for the season. I remember in 2017 the winds hit in April, on my daughter's birthday. Knocked out 95% plus of my stone fruit  including my cherries.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bee magnets
« on: October 19, 2019, 12:26:13 PM »
Regardless of the cause, the bees developed a taste for figs and have spoiled several hundred figs before they were ripe. Maybe next year they'll forget about the figs...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bee magnets
« on: October 19, 2019, 02:53:25 AM »
This is the only picture I could find on short notice. This is actually the consequence of the bees biting through the fig. It starts to spoil, and then the fig beetles burrow in. The fig beetles seem to only want the ripe or overripe figs. The bees start the process, the fig beetles finish it while the bees start on another fig or honey around and get in around the beetles.

I have attached a better photo of the bees doing the same to some grapes

Figs... Damn bees bite through unripe figs tunneling into the barely sweet interior, followed by ants. The figs sour before they even ripen. Then the fig beetles follow. The local beeshop doesn't believe me that the bees eat the figs but I've got pictures.

let's see these fig eating bees

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bee magnets
« on: October 16, 2019, 12:29:12 AM »
Figs... Damn bees bite through unripe figs tunneling into the barely sweet interior, followed by ants. The figs sour before they even ripen. Then the fig beetles follow. The local beeshop doesn't believe me that the bees eat the figs but I've got pictures.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Daisy Mandarin
« on: October 09, 2019, 02:42:23 AM »
Mine have been seedless. I might have bought the daisy sl tree.

Sorry you had a difficult experience clm, but I will say that Frank has tons of experience and that what may be easy for him, and routine to moderately challenging for those with experience, may end up being very difficult for a beginner. Sounds to me like you don't have much experience rooting cuttings. I myself rooted over 500 cuttings last year with moderate success, and I'm still refining my technique and figuring out what I like.

I have personally bought cuttings and trees from Frank, and they were all healthy and in great condition (some freshly cut in front of my eyes). Frank is very knowledgeable, perhaps one of the most knowledgeable members on the forum. His expertise in tropical and subtropical plants is unparalleled. If he says the cuttings were viable, then I would listen to him. Perhaps you got in a little over your head thinking it was easy? It's certainly possible. In this field, success is never guaranteed, and lots of things can go wrong. Rooting can be easy with the right technique, but the more you fidget with a cutting the higher your chances of failure, and sounds like you messed with those cuttings quite a bit.  I agree with the poster above that it would be best to start off with a smaller number of cuttings or practice for a few months and consider your costs the price of learning. I failed multiple times grafting and rooting and airlayering and have had to learn the hard way. My success rate is not perfect, but it's much better than before, and that's after spending lots of money on supplies, cuttings, etc.

I'm assuming you are new because I only see 2 posts from you. Several other experienced members have already posted that they've had great results with the cuttings being sold. My advice is to troubleshoot your failures and try again. Some things are easier to root than others. Try the figpop method - look it up and see if you can modify it to suit your needs. Try with something easy and common first, then shoot for the exotic and rare that someone like Frank offers and don't expect 100% success. Failures can and will happen.

On a side note, this forum is welcoming to all but tends to have a higher number of more experienced growers and those looking for a challenge or to push boundaries. I have joined and then quit many plant Facebook groups simply because there wasn't enough expert opinion -- too many simple basic questions and I just wasn't learning much. This forum - again while welcoming to beginners - is not as easy access as Facebook and this tends to attract those who really want to dig into the knowledge and experience of other committed growers. I recommend reading some older posts, developing a solid fund of knowledge, then posting pictures and explanations of your setup and your findings. You may get some members to help you out and give some useful pointers.

In short, Frank sells some high quality hard to find/one of a kind stuff. If he's got something you want, pay for it but do your homework and make sure your technique and setup are legit, and even then there are no guarantees when dealing with live plant material


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Phoenix mango? Doesn't look like it
« on: September 21, 2019, 08:36:11 PM »
That's a nice looking taralay.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: John Herd avocado
« on: September 21, 2019, 08:31:28 PM »
Jack, how does your Colleen Davis grow? Mine is growing quickly, kind of like choquette. It's a second year tree

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Phoenix mango? Doesn't look like it
« on: September 20, 2019, 01:36:29 AM »
This "Lynn" has been selling lots of mislabeled trees

Really? She had a strong reputation in the past and has been willing to work with us out of state folks on getting trees

I had 6 e4s last year and 4 this year. Iirc, each seed put out only a solitary sprout. I took a closer look this year, and the e4 seed is tiny, almost negligible, but still puts out a sprout - just 1 though.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: John Herd avocado
« on: September 16, 2019, 09:10:57 PM »
Good to hear herd is a good one. Mine croaked recently. Discovered a leak in my irrigation system that resulted in chronic flooding in a large section of my avocado growing area. Herd is done, Gwen Hass looks like it's struggling, holiday shriveled pretty quickly, and Yamagata looks like it's drying up.

My Spaugh seedlings are incredibly vigorous and that's what the scions that you sent me jack are growing on. So far everything growing , but I have a nishikawa branch that is monstrous and is dominating all the others.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugarcane cuttings: How to handle?
« on: August 31, 2019, 02:54:04 AM »
You can get nearly 100% rooting by laying or standing them in water. Make sure the node is covered or close to being covered. We within a week you'll see swellings from below the node project outward and for roots. The node swells and forms a leaf growth structure soon afterwards. Once the roots have hardened and turned brown I plant in soil. Takes about 3 weeks. Make sure you change the water every day or 2.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: mcdill white sapote scions
« on: August 24, 2019, 02:23:19 AM »
Buy or trade.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Laguna hills potting mix
« on: August 04, 2019, 05:54:47 AM »
Some other nurseries are starting to carry top pot. You might be able to convince that large nursery chain in San Diego to carry it. They can order directly from one of the big nursery vendors that Gary contracts with.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Laguna hills potting mix
« on: August 04, 2019, 05:53:34 AM »
Hey brad

Top pot gets an A in my book.

His store is nearby and I've bought from him before. I like it for potted plants because it drains quickly and allows me to water regularly without worrying too much about root rot. This is especially helpful for rooting cuttings.

I believe there is charcoal of some sort in the soil mix. It's lighter than dg but it doesn't hold onto water very well (will definitely dry out in a day on a hot day). It's hard to overwater it . I'm not sure it's as rich as promix but promix definitely retains too much water and can't be watered as regularly. Worst mistake I ever made was taking cuttings started in promix and transferring to top pot. The top pot drained water directly to the promix which held onto the water and wouldn't let go. More than 100 rotted cuttings.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: July 07, 2019, 12:29:37 PM »
Surprised to hear that Brad. No fruit set or are you accounting for fruit drop after high heat? Mine has a good 20 on it and it's smaller than yours

Heres the holiday tree that is flushing nicely.  I figure it will be 10 years before this tree can hold a decent load.  Maybe I will get 1 or 2 this year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: June 26, 2019, 06:11:48 PM »
Looks like a lot of flowers are starting to form on my oro negro for the first time. The tree is 5 years old, 8 feet wide 5 feet tall so I hope a lot of fruit holds

My oro negro set several fruit, first time it's done that.

My Jan Boyce is holding lots of fruit but she'd all leaves and doesn't look like it's in any rush to releaf and protect itself. It's been a couple of months now and the tree is so darn leggy.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Video tour
« on: June 26, 2019, 06:05:25 PM »
Awesome! Things keep growing for you! Really happy to see.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bonny Doon Avocado
« on: June 26, 2019, 05:48:33 PM »
I've got one growing in ground for a few months now. Doing fine

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