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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 06, 2015, 10:12:37 AM »
Fruitlovers knows very well that a mono-embryonic mangoseeds don't grow true to type.

He acts like he has the real mahachanok but it's from a seed so not exactly the same as the real one.

That's pure scamming mate.



Don't fool me or other members on this forum.....and go wash your mouth and apologise here. You represent all Americans on this international forum, do you realise how foolish you make all of them look now?

I feel sorry for the real nursery's who also get a bad name by this and your whole nation as well. What do you think Asians are thinking of you guys if you act like this?






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Baccaurea species
« on: April 06, 2015, 06:50:45 AM »
Which baccaurea is the sweetest one? Now the Indo-sellers have many more variety's availlable but i have no idea how they taste.

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The best time for grafting mango is now, but you can pick scions and graft (in greenhouse) year round.

I graft year around outside in full sun. Works fine in my climate.

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If the buds are swollen and almost opening then it's a good time to graft them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 06, 2015, 03:10:38 AM »
http://www.chiangmaifreshgarden.com/product/6/%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%81mahachanok-mango

Here you can see mahachanok from thailand.

remember that they don't grow true from seed, no matter what your selfclaimed experts will say, mono-embryonic seeds don't grow true. So even a bought scion from a seedling mahachanok is not the real mahachanok.....in thailand we buy grafted tree's to get the real thing.

Also mahachanok does not come from Florida, it comes from Thailand.

I'm tired of all the scammers on this forum who only want to sell what they've got.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hawaiin Help Needed!
« on: April 06, 2015, 02:35:14 AM »
Yup and don't forget to try all those mini-fruits sold on Hawaii, they try to sell the seeds from those but i would go for bigger seeds myself.

Try the mahachok grown from (mono)seed, why is it even called mahachanok by the way? Maybe Rob mangocourse can explain that.  ;D

Oh and bring your black pyama's as well,  that's how you travel on hawaii, you 'll make friends with that. And a haircut is also not needed by the way.

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But is that achachairu exactly the same fruit as the achacha from Australia?
Bangkok this is a completely different species to Achachairu entirely hailing from Mexico it doesn't even look much like Achachairu and is much bigger. From what iv read on the forum near tennis ball size I think?
Of all my seedlings I would have to say I am most excited about this one! But many many years to go still as mine are only abit under a year old:(

I mean the achachairu that is on the pic together with luc's mangosteen.

Bangkok , the achachairu in the pic with the Mex . Garcinia is from seeds from Bolivia . Over there a lot of these fruits are called achachairu ,we had several posts about that already . It is the same variety that is grown in Australia .

Because there seem to be more fruits called achachairu and they also come in different shapes.

Luc said his mangosteen tastes better then an achacha from Australia so i wondered if he really had an achacha from Australia or he compared it with an achachairu from South america.


I see, then we can shake hands luc, i also never ate an Aussie achacha, without exaggerating. ;) ;D

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But is that achachairu exactly the same fruit as the achacha from Australia?
Bangkok this is a completely different species to Achachairu entirely hailing from Mexico it doesn't even look much like Achachairu and is much bigger. From what iv read on the forum near tennis ball size I think?
Of all my seedlings I would have to say I am most excited about this one! But many many years to go still as mine are only abit under a year old:(

I mean the achachairu that is on the pic together with luc's mangosteen.

Because there seem to be more fruits called achachairu and they also come in different shapes.

Luc said his mangosteen tastes better then an achacha from Australia so i wondered if he really had an achacha from Australia or he compared it with an achachairu from South america.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mangosteen
« on: April 05, 2015, 10:19:52 AM »
Yes, they have fruited here in S.Florida at various places. Here are the ones that I am familiar with. There are very likely more out there. They require a 10B or 11 climate and acid soils.

Fairchild fruit pavillion: Trees fruit heavily & regularly in the greenhouse (Coral Gables FL)
Bill Whitman: several heavily fruiting trees in the ground (Bal Harbour FL)
Paulette Johnson: fruited in a large pot (Miami FL)
Mr. Snyder: fruited a large tree outdoors next to the intracoastal canal. I personally saw the tree in flower and have photos. (Lighthouse Point FL)


Whitman Pavillion mangosteens


Wow that's great! So it is possible!

Tonight i saw a tree from 60 cm tall in a small pot with 1 fruit. Grafted tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sia Thong Mango
« on: April 05, 2015, 10:17:17 AM »
In Thailand we have:

ndm- si keo = green
ndm- si thong = gold
ndm- mun = green, big, crispy and eaten green (unripe)

ndm- si daeng = red and a new variety.

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But is that achachairu exactly the same fruit as the achacha from Australia? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 05, 2015, 06:11:28 AM »
I saw a mahachanok tree in somebody's garden today, it had many mango's but they were still green. One had a pink blush starting but they all were in full sun.

In the shops they are mostly yellow, to find one with a pink blush you have to search, maybe 1 out of 10 has it.

That scion from the Royal mangogarden from the Thai King must be the real deal. Also the Thai Princess has many fruitgardens all over Thailand and at her palaces. In Chiang mai thailand is a big Doi Kham Royal farm which is open for public, there are many plants/fruittree's grown for demonstration/education purposes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 02, 2015, 11:22:38 PM »

Namdocmai si keo is the sweetest of all mango's i have ever eaten.


May not be

If you are comparing the NDM grown in your area vs the one in Florida
 
Like people are crazy about Alphonso is India , and so far what I read here is that its not so great in US

I wrote the NDM- si keo, i still doubt if you guys have that one in the US. Maybe under another name.

And yes the sun here is stronger, this is true tropics and bangkok even the warmest city of the world by average temp.

But mahachanok is not on the markets in large quantity's as ndm. Guess why? They are even not easy to find here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 02, 2015, 10:26:01 PM »
Is maha chanokaala sweeter than Nam Doc Mai?

Namdocmai si keo is the sweetest of all mango's i have ever eaten.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 02, 2015, 09:59:31 AM »
And it's easy to find the maha in the supermarkets here, just follow your nose. They really smell strong and it's not a very pleasant smell.

Last week i was in the Topps with my wife and we both smelled it at the same time...after looking around we found them...between loads of other fruit..easy to find the real maha  ;D, just follow the smell. But if this is what rocks your boat then try a real namdocmai-green. namdocmai si keo. That rocks my boat. 8) :P

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 02, 2015, 09:50:52 AM »
I assumed, based on my reading and observation of MC seeds, that all MC seeds were mono, thus there could only be one MC grown from seed, the original.

That's correct. There are not 'multiple varieties' of Maha Chanok anymore than there are 'multiple varieties' of Haden or Kent.

Exactly

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Look at those linchi's, so big  :o

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Felipe, if you drive 1 to 1.5 hours from Bangkok to Rayong you can get much better fruits, lot cheaper price, and real nurseries instead of giant Chatuchak flea market. It's true though that Thai nurseries have very little cultivar selection. For example, with durian it is very difficult to find anything other than Monthong or Chanee to buy.


You can say what you want about the or-tor-kor market but the fruit is the best of Thailand, everything is A-quality and the biggest size. It is expensive but they really have mango/durian/mangosteen all the time and all is very good quality, you won't find it better.

Here is a list of some fruit festivals around may-june.
http://www.sawadee.com/thailand/festivals/festival5.html

Not all the chomphu are syzygium samarangense, the chomphu phet si rung has big pits but is also very sweet. You could easy buy the plants on chatuchak, there are official shops as well, one sells chomphu tree's from some famous farm/organisation. They also speak english and have pictures of the fruit hanging on their tree's. That shop doesn't come every week though, they visit agriculture fairs all over the country.

We still have sweet chomphu's now but season is almost over i guess, they got me hooked on them and i have 8 tree's now  ;D But those green ones on your pic i only saw/ate once. The tree's are expensive of that one so i still hope to find it cheap somewhere else.
I still haven't seen the giant chomphu's though, they are so new that the fruit is not on the market yet, at least not in Bangkok. Maybe they go to Hongkong or so. Those new ones weigh 250-500 gram a piece is what the vendors claim and are also sweet.
But growing chomphu is not that easy, my tree's have lice and aphids and caterpillars all the time.

There are also nice malay apples to be found but they are rare. I ate a nice variety called "hawaii" on chatuchak and bought the tree.

If you are still in thailand then you have to taste as much as you can. If a fruitvendor is very busy then you should go there. Mango in supermarkets is not as nice as on local markets. Try the namdocmai green if you see them, for me they are the best ones.











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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: new melon variety's
« on: April 01, 2015, 09:26:31 PM »
I see, i thought it was something new.

Probably new to Thailand then but not for the rest of the world.

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Felipe did you taste the chomphu rose-apples? Were they sweet?

What i don't understand is how the or-tor-kor can have mangosteens for 10 out of 12 months. They even have a label with "organic" on them.

Outside the ortorkor are fruitstands who have fruit from South Thailand or other provinces. Sometimes they have chempedak or velvet tamarind or durian from Utteradit. They always try to cheat me there so i boycot them.

On the chatuchak market are also rare fruits to find but you have to search. Sometimes the vendors sit behind tarps or in strange corners.

Also the treesellers have new variety's of fruit that they brought for show, they want to sell the tree's. If you offer them enough money you can buy them. Also if you pay you can park anywhere. I park on the middle of the market (motorbike) but on the ortorkor is a huge parking with security.

Those big ndm-gold mango's are called "honey mango" just like in singapore. They want to sell those to singaporeans or hongkong chinese. Those are unblemished, i guess they have been packed in paper while growing.They are sold all year around though.

One day they sold daeng suria jackfruit on ortorkor, since then i have never seen those again. I bought it but it was disappointing.

I think the ortorkor is not a real fruitmarket. There is also fish and vegy and food, i wished they had more rare fruit from Indonesia or Malaysia or any other neighbour. Also i don't like it that they don't show the price, i 'm done with that.

Right next to the marketbuilding is a vegy supermarket from the royal project. There everything is priced, organic, cheap, airconditioned and no cheating at all. I love that shop but it's far too small and busy.

On chatuchak you can find almost anything about tree's. The best tree's or fruit is sold out very early. Almost nobody speaks english there, lately there are loads of foreigners from Asia and Africa but the vendors can't help them haha. They even don't come to the idea to let another westerner write english labels or make pictures to sell them tree's.

Some vendors are there for more then 10 years. I think they sell the real variety's. There are also vendors who only come sometimes from their province.

I know many more markets like this, they are all over bangkok. Sometimes they even have never seen westerners i guess, i become the big attraction if i speak thai to them. Not that my thai is good but i can ask things and know how to make fun with the vendors.

Did you eat any new fruit in Thailand felipe? the papaya holland maybe? Or mango/mayongchid/jackfruit/durian.  I ate chanee durian again today but this time it isn't nice. It's like eating pure butter. Last week it was not so soft and really good.  Durian season has started again.





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The pink eggs are real, you can buy them all over thailand. I've never eaten them but there are many ways to cook or ferment or whatever they do with eggs.  They also eat eggs with a foetus chicken in it.

My wife told me what makes them red coloured but i forgot it.

So now i have seen 3 "fraude" listings in this thread who are nothing special at all in Asia. Isn't it amazing? ;D

The most shocking one for me was the totally naked girls on a catwalk in Phuket thailand. They all looked 100% perfect untill an Ozzy next to me said they were all boys, look at the adams-apple and the big hands.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: new melon variety's
« on: April 01, 2015, 01:25:26 AM »
http://www.rijkzwaanusa.com/wps/wcm/connect/RZ+USA/Rijk+Zwaan/Products_and_Services/Products/Crops/Melon

These are new melonvariety's sold worldwide.

Did anybody taste/grow them? How were they compared to the older variety's?


None of those are new varieties.


I see, i don't know how old the carribean line is but they claim it to be new. The Thai shop where i saw the seeds also was proud to show them to me.

http://www.rijkzwaan.com/wps/wcm/connect/RZ+Corporate/Rijk+Zwaan/Products_and_Services/Products/Brands/Caribbean

Caribbean

Caribbean is the name for a concept which consists of a number of melon varieties. They are the result of a long breeding process of Rijk Zwaan. This new-generation cantaloupe melons has a couple of unique traits which make them very popular for the fresh market as well as for the fresh cut industry.

Market developments
Rijk Zwaan have seen the reliability of cantaloupe melons going down, while consumers must know they can rely on the quality of the melon they buy. The melon supply chain, from seed to supermarket, needs to work on this reliability. With the introduction of Caribbean we are taking the first step, together with the growers and marketeers. Only in this way can we contribute to consumer satisfaction and develop their interest in fruit and vegetables.

Whole fruit and fresh cut
The improved eating quality and better presentation on the shelf of Caribbean contribute positively to the whole fruit category. But Caribbean also works well for the fresh cut segment. The aspect of ‘more melon for your money’ (5-10% extra fruit flesh) is one of the key drivers of the fresh cut segment. Caribbean melons help the fresh cut companies to increase efficiency figures. The relatively smooth, thin skin is not only cleaner, but also very easy to peel mechanically.

Intensive collaboration
By means of intensive collaboration between growers, importers, processors and retailers, a worldwide Caribbean network has been created that can guarantee a reliable and flavoursome product year-round. Retailers need a similar product every day, because consistency on the shelf is essential for repeat-buying. The collaboration does not stop at our recent, successful varieties. By continued cooperation we will be able to take the next steps forward.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / new melon variety's
« on: April 01, 2015, 12:47:56 AM »
http://www.rijkzwaanusa.com/wps/wcm/connect/RZ+USA/Rijk+Zwaan/Products_and_Services/Products/Crops/Melon

These are new melonvariety's sold worldwide.

Did anybody taste/grow them? How were they compared to the older variety's?

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Welcome to the club Felipe! Now you are an official member. ;D

You were very early i guess because it's not busy at all on the pics.

And that ortorkor sure is expensive, on top of that they won't even show the price so they can cheat you easy. Now they only have tags in chinese language but not with the price of course.

But there are many more great markets in Bangkok, and outside the skytrain-area they are cheaper.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: can you discrib about it
« on: March 31, 2015, 10:42:22 AM »
Yes a red salac, can you open it Beni so we can see the inside? Maybe then somebody can tell you which salac it is. There are very good salac fruits in Indonesia.

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