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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Flying Dragon seeds
« on: October 09, 2019, 07:07:01 PM »
FD would be ideally tissue culture propagated as with seeds there are variations and unwanted cross pollination especially with those with many citrus plants.

evolutionary adaptation for plants would probably take several thousands of years. Unfortunately I must tell you, we these people growing citrus today we won't make it.
We might live with a chance that a genetic tool will make the adaptation faster.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Japan acid citruses
« on: October 09, 2019, 03:53:04 AM »
There are many varieties. Some bigger some smaller,  one seedless and many hybrids.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taking care of a mango
« on: October 08, 2019, 04:01:42 PM »
Not the best idea to grow mango from seed in stores. Seeds are mostly weak and immature which will make a weak plant.

Hi, this is my 15 months old mango. I'm thinking that it need some fertilization or something else. Could you give me an advice? I live in Italy and the climate is not the best for growing mango.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wood chips for growing media
« on: October 08, 2019, 02:29:07 PM »
"charcoal" and "30% river sand 30% cactus potting soil"
I wonder where you people get these ideas  ;D ;D ;D
Millet is right and has the experience of actually growing citrus

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango budwood question
« on: October 07, 2019, 04:16:49 PM »
bud grafting is not a good method for mango

I should put "seedling" in quotes

Musa acuminata and balbisiana are also grown from seeds. I do it. I takes 3-4 years to set fruit. Tissue culture minimum 14 months even in zone 10, they grow slower than a sword pup.
A sword pup in my zone 7B can be grown in 2 years to set fruit.

My Kary and Fwang Tung trees produced very small and 'hard' fruit this year. The Kary fruit looks fibrous and not juicy. The appearance of the skin is very dark opaque too (not anthracnose though) -- not the clear golden orange that I'm used to. What could be wrong?  Is there a trick to producing big beautiful looking fruit?

too cold they get red

Last order today. Ship out tomorrow.
Only few left.  ;) ;D

Gomera1 left and gomera 3 right.
Gomera 3 is bigger.

They will take cold weather, not freezing temperatures. Where other mangoes stop growing this mango continues to grow. Resists well to drought and calcareous soil. Probably hardier than turpentine
I grow them in pots in greenhouse.

Here is a picture with frozen bites, recovering.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fingerlimes harvest
« on: October 06, 2019, 02:48:47 PM »
Mis sold then. Are they a good substitute for finger limes?

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hardy citrus growing in Switzerland
« on: October 05, 2019, 05:55:50 AM »
Should be the wall black in winter and white in summer? That would act as a heat sink during the day and increase temperature few degrees during the night when is cold.
I had that fleeting thought as well, but it would probably increase the heat differential between night and day, probably not such a good thing, we want the plants to seamlessly enter dormancy and not prematurely come out of dormancy.

I think it would act as a thermal battery. I do it with black painted water bottles. You won't get new growth without sustained warm temperatures.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fingerlimes harvest
« on: October 03, 2019, 03:56:34 PM »
They look like my fausterime...   ;)

Luis do you have a picture with your green fingerlimes?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fingerlimes harvest
« on: October 03, 2019, 08:16:08 AM »
They got bigger, look like faustrime. How can tell the difference?

You welcome franklazar26

lebmung, you said: You would need a window of 20% the surface of the room for cold and light..
What do you mean b 20% the surface of the room? I am trying to determine the minimum amount of light required to keep the trees dormant and alive.

For a 10 sqm you would need a window of 2sqm facing south.
Most of homes in Europe have a 10% rate as a minimum architectural standard.
Keep temp no more than 15C, except for tropical citrus.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Where to buy Poncirus rootstock in Europe
« on: October 03, 2019, 06:33:17 AM »
I have, but you need to wait them to grow more until next year. I graft on them like this but you need the skills they are 4-5 mm in diameter, they are 13 months old, I cleft grafted maybe 20 of them this autumn with 100% success, but if you want to bud them then you need to wait.

if I have lower PPFD lighting for longer periods of time, say 20 hours, or 18 hours, would that compensate some or would it further stunt the plant by not giving it a dark period?

Another bad idea.
Just let them sleep during the winter, unless you have limes which fruit and flower every month. But then, they are cheaper in supermarket so you need to have a big tree to compensate the cost.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« on: October 02, 2019, 03:45:54 PM »
I know probably none of you will care, I'm mostly just doing this for my own reference, but here's my tiny little Keraji seedling, now an inch and a half tall.

Of course it isn't much, but it proves how much a tiny little seedling, on its own roots, can regrow after a cold winter and after being killed to the ground.

I am interested to see your experiment. I replicate it with grafted trees in the same zone as you. Your growth rate is very slow, I prefer to grow them fast and strong then plant them outside.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: problem with new bananas...
« on: October 02, 2019, 02:20:22 PM »
Nam wah is prone to different fungi. Including cigar disease.
I wonder how fast they make fruit in your zone.
Here bananas se fruit in 2 years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: rarest papaya on earth. palanda papaya
« on: October 02, 2019, 02:17:18 PM »
Well done. Hope you will have the fruit in 8 months.

New leaves of Mango Gomera are red

I have to overwinter my trees indoors and am thinking about putting them in the cold and dark. By cold I mean 45 to 50F. But how much light is there in dark, i.e., how many lumens are necessary to maintain the trees? I would like to keep them in a state of sem-dormancy.
They can take dark for two weeks after which they will drop the leaves.
You would need a window of 20% the surface of the room for cold and light..
Lumens are a bad indicator.

Im going to take the seedlings that I have more than one of and put half in greenhouse and half in my basement under grow lights.  I am curious which will grow faster.

It depends on temperature.
If greenhouse is at 50F at most they will go into dormancy.
The one in basement will be weak and leggy. Lose some leaves as well. They might flower and then abort the fruit.

It's not about watts. Probably 1600 umol/m2s to sustain continuous growth and fruiting @25C it's a whole debate and nobody has the exact answer.
Mangoes need a lot of light otherwise they will die. Perhaps the cold hardy citrus should stay outside.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Hardy Mango Gomera seeds for rootstock
« on: September 30, 2019, 08:10:37 AM »
I will have some fruits shipped from Canary Is this week. Due to the expensive shipping I will sell some of them.

There will be Gomera-1 and Gomera-3, these mango are used as a rootstock.
This is a hardy mango which can take temporary freezes and drought.
more info here :

1 seed 4
2 seeds 7
more than 10 seeds, 2.5 each.

Postage for 1-2 seeds: 2
Paypal fee: 0.9

Orders outside European Union at buyer's risk. Especially to US I don't guarantee the arrival, but 90% arrive well. I will take a picture with the envelope being sent. You are responsible to know your local law concerning seeds.

Very limited quantity! First come, first served.
I will ship them 8 or 9 October in moist perlite, husk removed.
Shipping to Europe takes 5-7 business days.

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