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Is that $US1.5 for one seed?

That is not papaya or any vasconcellea. The seeds are different.

You can graft an inactive bud. Naturally it will take longer to have a new flush. The root stock should have few leaves under the grafting union to produce energy and allow the auxins to flow from the roots to scion.
The failure rate comes from the union.

Yes the seeds are good. If two out of 10 germinate it's very good.
Just follow my advice about the soil and they will not die.
Also they take water from their leaves so when it's cold misting them daily 3-5 times it's enough. When it's humid and hot and the soil doesn't dry up the same applies.

Yes they have and it's the only one. The stock is from 3 years ago when someone went to the jungle and collected them. I expect germination to drop to 5-15%, without the help of chemicals. Other vasconcellea have 0-5% germination rate unless germinated in vitro.


If "Don't use any organics" and " Grow it in a pot or it will die" is the only advice your offering from your research I think I'll take my chances and do what I know to do, which is consequently the opposite of those 2 suggestions.
Wonder tea is what myself and my plant's drink first thing in the morning, daily! Let's compare notes and Palanda pictures come Springtime. errr , I'll give you my notes at least , it's all good.

I think gave more advice then only that. And I never said you should grow it only in a a pot, if you live in a warm climate sure put it in soil. Test that soil structure and see what you can plant.
As for organics fertilizer, I said that the breakdown of components in the soil will kill the root. A high concentration of anaerobic bacteria will lead to root rot. Sure if you have a good dose and know how much mulch and organic fertilizer to use, they will survive and grow well. But I see on this topic many died because of root rot, so I gave my best advice that  is safer not to use organic fertilizer in a pot or use it in a limited manner

what happen Lembug? Let's work together to help prevent extinction!

Well I already started to give advice on the problems. If someone listens to what I say they will not die. If people read on Internet all kind of home remedies like applying H2O2 or other wonder teas for sure they will die.
When I said I will not say everything I referred to some advanced techniques to make them flourish and grow fast which applies to the whole vasconcellea family.
The DNA was extracted and cryopreserved so it will not be lost forever.

I'm interested in a couple of seeds.

here are mines so for they grow quite problemless, but i am worried about the winter and my notoric overwatering..

Again as I said before, move them as soon as possible into a 20 gallon pot. The need a deep pot. Anything small like that will just lead to root rot. The plants are also hungry.
The root looks like a giant carrot, without a proper pot they will grow round and plants starts to slow down growth.
This plant is supposed to flower in one year. With a small pot like that they will never flower.
Also if you are unexperinced with watering, don't use any organic fertilizer. Organics need to decompose which will increase the microbes in the soil and with overwatering is another way to root rot.

Quick update on my palanda papayas, the larger one is almost dead. It got some pretty bad root rot and lost 85% of its root system. I repotted it in dry soil after cutting off most of the roots, trimming the majority of the leaves, and dunking the remaining roots in diluted hydrogen peroxide for a little while. It doesnít seem to be improving but fingers crossed  :'(

Once the root rot sets in it is impossible to save the plant. Never cut or trim the root of a vaconcellea, the root system is very complex and root rot again sets in.
The root rot it's coming from a fungi, and you cannot do anything about it.
The best is prevention. Overwintering is the main cause, annd second is the microbes in the soil.
Also the peroxide is very bad idea. It oxides the small roots and kill the plant. Sure you would think the peroxide will kill the fungi, well anything less than 3% is useless.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing papaya
« on: July 26, 2018, 10:25:24 AM »
From 7 to 15 days for fresh seeds. Up to a month for older seed.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what do you plant indoor?
« on: July 25, 2018, 07:31:27 AM »
If you can keep the pH of the soil and water acidic enough, itís not too difficult to grow indoors even in low humidity areas. I live in SoCal where humidity is relatively low and have several miracle fruit trees that I grow in my garage most of the year and they are doing fine. In the late Spring or Summer, I take them out and they produce lots of fruit for me.

Probably not for the novice but the novelty factor alone makes this plant worth growing indoors.


I use distilled water and adjust the PH, the soil type is acidic with good aeration.
I am just saying the climate in continental Europe it's very challenging for this plant. When outside it's -20 C (-4F9) and low humidity, inside the house it's even lower humidity, perhaps 30-40% RH. Sure you can say put a humidifier, well that works but at expense of the furniture and thing inside the home which will get mould. Also summer is extremely hot and dry. In southern Europe where the climate it's similar to California, over there it's easier to grow.
For a beginner it's a big challenge to grow them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what do you plant indoor?
« on: July 24, 2018, 05:39:38 AM »
Miracle fruit is an awesome plant to Fruit indoors.


Miracle fruit is very hard to grow in continental Europe where winter is very cold and inside the house humidity drops very much. Sure there are methods to grow it, but I say this compared to a average house plant.


Are they deciduous also in nature or it is just lack of light? and at what temp should I keep them? I can provide them some artifical light..

No they are not deciduous, they drop leaves under stress, but they grow others fast. Yes a light would keep up the grow habit. Still you need a lot of lights, perhaps 100W LED blue and red good quality.
Another thing is they grow tall. and radius of the plant will reach 1 m.

Do you think it would be worth it to provide supplemental lighting to Vasconcellea in winter? Or do you think it would be too stressful with cold temperatures? I am zone 9b/10a

In zone 9a should not be a problem to overwinter them, just don't let them freeze. Palanda grows at 1900 m where temperature it's 12-18C. it's premontane rainforest.
The hardest it's Vasconcellea pubescens aka Chamburo, this has a stronger resistance to cold than all the other studied. I also suspect Vasconcellea candicans to be very cold and dry hardy.


What condition do you recommend for winter/overwintering? I am +- same zone as you..

thanks, Daniel

In winter you should not water them. Keep the land very dry. Leaves will drop and growth will be on hold. It's not because of temperature but light. Mist the plants to take water but that is a little bit tricky inside the home where is very dry. Also a hard water will accumulate salts which will kill the plant.

Your watering seems to be good.
Daily watering will kill the plants. The soil needs to get dry first then you can water them. In fact never water the carica species 5 in to the trunk when the plants are young.

Your plants in pots are starving. They need nitrogen.
Carica species are heavy feeders,  they grow fast and make new leaves every week.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: lady finger bananas
« on: July 20, 2018, 05:33:27 PM »
Yes indeed there is such banana. They don't grow from seed only by pups. I grow many of them and they are very tasty with an intense flavour, maybe the best banana. They come from SE Asia. In Thailand they are called 'leb bu nang' and they are more expensive.
They grow like 2-3m high and produce many bananas. Here is a banana in a 50 liters container.

If you are interested in a plant, I have for sale 1m high 1 year old. To send it I need to cut the leaves and the roots, only leave it with a little bit soil. It costs 22 Euro plus shipping.

Once again move the plants into a deep container 3 feet and like 20 gallon. A ne-o deep container will distorse the tap root and eventually stop the growth.
Yes in soil the grow very fast. They have similar grow habit like papayas and other vasconcellea.
I am afraid the one you planted in clay soil at first cold rain root rot will set and there is nothing you can do. Unfortunately also the soil gets contaminated and you can't grow another email in the same position. The only way out is to root the stem above so you can save the aerial plant.

I grow babaco and chamburo,  and have done a lot of research on vasconcellea. I have seeds from 7 species that I am trying to germinate. Most germinate only in laboratory conditions.
The problem with papayas lies in the root system, once that is damaged root rot sets in. I have a solution for every problem of papayas in containers but I will not share them as it is my own research and invested years in trial and error.
To have a faster growth you need a deep container like 3 feet. Also your plants show signs of nutrient deficiency. A foliar spray containing microelements every 10 days will improve the appearance.
There is not much research on palanda. And who wants to go to the forest to pick up the seeds, he must be kidding. That is not a vacation to walk through jungle for 3 hours with snakes and other animals, especially to go there alone.
I know the exact location in case someone is so courageous and I asked many Ecuadorian friends to go to pick up some fruits, but they declined my offer. Those who have the plants you better preserve them. The forest where palanda is, will be cut in few years so it will become a extinct species soon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Citrus leaf pic - iron deficiency?
« on: July 19, 2018, 06:59:08 AM »
Check the pH of the soil. Iron gets block by other nutrients. A high concentration will not do any good 0.1 vs 1%.It's all about absorption. Foliar spray at 10 days interval is better.

Most of the tropical fruits can be propagated by cuttings. There is an exception mango.
However a root developed from a cutting is weak and prone to root rot and nematode attack so most are grafted.
Sure it's a good method if you plan to grow them in containers with a substrate free of pathogens. I do this and they grow pretty good.
With tissue culture only your imagination has limits, but here finding the right protocol means researching.

I have some extra Babaco cuttings for sale, now that the fruting time is over. They are very productive, I harvested 5-6 kg per plant, so many fruits from 4 plants that I gave around everybody.

1 cutting 20cm costs 15 euro. I will include free rooting hormone. Shipping depends on method EMS around 22 euro and small air packet around 10 euro. It depends on the country.

The tree is small. The sun can burn the leaves. Cut off the dried leaves.

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