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You are allowed to kill yourself but you are not allowed to kill other people. (At least in Europe  ;) )
Pesticides are not forbidden for the 'bad' that you are doing to yourself (you are responsible, at least if you know it is a poison), but for the 'bad' you do to other humans, other animals and to the nature. It can be decades later and 5000 km away.

Note: This is not a European law  but a French law.

I agree with you about the poison with the pesticides. I believe 95% of production in France comes from commercial growers who are still allowed. Who checks them? Sure there are some agencies, but it's so expensive to check everything. And companies like profits, if they need to use more they will do it. There are many reports of pesticide residues over the limit. Pesticide business is big money like pharma, an addiction to use.
Last year I found a Spanish company who sells a substance (potassium phosphonate) for which you need registration, they changed the label and when I asked them they said is common practice other do it so we do it also.

If you want to leave Europe go to England or any country out of Europe (you are not far from Turkey  :D).
Never forget the joke "The world is full of foreigners".
If you want to stay in Europe but want to be free (to have children without arms) I can find for you the names of the two villages where it happens.

No rearly, let's be serious!

That is not an option! You tell me to get out of my own country. Before entering EU there was far more freedom. Now it seems like for everything in daily life there is a law. The European bureaucracy takes over. I am not against the EU as a project, it has its benefits but it starts to dictate people what to do which is dangerous, too much power in hands of few countries ( Germany and France).
Anyway a good law was to check the commercial use of pesticides more rigorously, from there the pollution comes, not from the small gardener. For you own use you are responsible what you use.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Some rare variety hardy seedlings
« on: February 06, 2019, 07:31:18 AM »
Why don't you paint the pots black?
Roots when they see the light stop growing, also algae can set inside the pot when exposed to light and humidity.

Soon Europe will make a law for everything. You will be dictated what to eat, how to walk and what you talk. It is getting worse than communism.
It's the rebirth of fascism in a hidden from. The state dictates and people must confirm. Slowly but surely European Union from a promoter of freedom starts to be a dictator. no wonder the Brexit and popular nationalism.
A good law would a allow the use of pesticides to those who understand the risks and are educated to use them.
France forgot the French revolution, perhaps should make a new one.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango dieback indoors
« on: February 05, 2019, 06:40:15 PM »
Round-up yes. But other phosphonates help fight against root rot and trigger self defense mechanisms.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Mango scion exchange ( only Europe)
« on: February 04, 2019, 05:57:52 PM »
I want to add more Mango varieties to my collection, so if someone is interested in exchanging scions in Europe only.
I have the following Thai mangoes:
*Chok-anoc - produces two times a year
*Nam Doc Mai - good taste
*Kieow savoy- very resistant, used as a rootstock in Thailand
*Falan - used as green vegetable

Also had a large Osteen who recently died back. Now I have only a small grafted saved.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Graft from a young tree
« on: February 04, 2019, 02:21:02 PM »
The simple answer is no. The rootstock will not trigger flowering but will make the tree grow faster.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango dieback indoors
« on: February 04, 2019, 02:17:15 PM »
I have a problem with some mango varieties that they die back during the winter. I wonder what is the cause.
Watering is some when soil gets dry and the soil mix is optimal for drainage and aeration.
Plants flowered then died. Only the grafted top dies.
They were sprayed with fungicide in autumn.
Also made a drench with phosphonate.

I wonder what triggers the sudden death. Plants get dry fast and die in a couple of days.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: papaya questions
« on: January 26, 2019, 09:36:39 AM »
The true red is specific to some papaya varieties.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Babaco
« on: November 21, 2018, 07:48:47 AM »
By the leaves it's root rot which sets in slowly but surely. I have lots of experience with different papayas.
Save it while you can, and the easiest way is airlaying. A cutting won't have energy to survive

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for banana pups
« on: November 20, 2018, 02:16:19 PM »
Im looking for a Blue Java banana pup, mysore pup and a pitogo pup for my garden. I found some sellers on amazon and eBay but I donít trust them that much.
Regarding the sellers on Ebay. Have anyone here tried purchasing banana pups from them?

What kid of banana are you looking for? I have many varieties.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Babaco
« on: November 20, 2018, 02:06:45 PM »
This year I had like so much fruit that many went to compost. The largest fruit reached 600g and smallest 200 g. one tree produced 5 kg per year.
I overwinter them at 12 C. They don't need water in a humid greenhouse.
If you pot them in ground then transfer them into pot they will die, they don't like to be moved. The root system is very sensitive. Just leave them in a big pot, the bigger the better. Plant them in spring and in winter you will have many fruits. I used to have 12 trees, but because people find the fruit strange, it's not very popular. Very low sugar content, lots of juice with an intense aroma of lemon mixed with pineapple. The juice can slightly burn your lips.
Your plant in the picture suffered form root rot, unfortunately you can't do anything to save it, maybe take a cutting to propagate, but with slim chances.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Winter Feeding of citrus
« on: November 17, 2018, 06:28:54 PM »
I agree with Millet. Organic fertilizers are good during the hot season, when you can add microorganisms from compost tea, vermicompost or supplements. Liquid humic acid and humus works well. But here there is another catch, these can also contain bad microorganisms in a low amount not harmful to plants. Still when the plant is stressed or soil is overwatered and cold these will take over. So instance Phytophthora.
If one applies in the winter, the fertilizer won't decompose so fast with the help of beneficial microorganisms. In fact anaerobic bacteria, mold and algae will take over which could in turn lead to root rot, and the soil becomes mushy. for those who don't believe apply organic fertilizer pellets on top of the soil, and put it in greenhouse at 10C or 50F and 90%RH, a white crust of mold will start to grow on top.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless papaya?
« on: November 17, 2018, 06:14:04 PM »
There is seedless papaya, which is propagated by tissue culture or cuttings. This is not your case.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Louisiana Citrus - Video
« on: November 14, 2018, 07:31:14 AM »
Access Denied.

Denied to European users, I think because of data protection.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« on: November 13, 2018, 11:53:05 AM »
I didn't look for any research on this. I saw some products labeled as biostimulants made of citrus seed extracts, perhaps grapefruit.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: twig dieback with gum at branch crooks
« on: November 13, 2018, 11:50:19 AM »
You didn't add everything.
"However, the risk assessment is considered to be tentative and has to be updated as soon as the approval of the renewal of fosetyl and the review of existing uses of potassium phosphonates and disodium phosphonate is finalised"

Anyway fosetyl-al is not forbidden, I just say that they found that it leaves residues especially in the leaves and wood of the plants many years after exposure. I think this substance need more studies.

For me I would use it with caution especially after flowering and while bearing fruit.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Winter Feeding of citrus
« on: November 13, 2018, 08:45:59 AM »
Just an observation, It is pH, not PH nor ph.

nice one ;D

Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35-Meyer lemon incompatibility
« on: November 13, 2018, 07:22:06 AM »
ZnO, are you sure? ZnO is water-insoluble.
It might be ZnSO4.

ZnSO4 burns the plants so smooth, I use it to destroy the algae and mold.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: twig dieback with gum at branch crooks
« on: November 13, 2018, 04:29:15 AM »
Al-fosetyl indeed is a simple molecule which is absorbed fast by plants. Once inside it transforms into the phosphorous acid. This is the active ingredient which triggers plant release of chemicals to strengthen the plant. Also PO3 ions disturb the cell membrane of some fungi, including Phytophthora.
High values of residue were found in plants even after 2 years after the last spray which made the EU forbid the sale and use of potassium phosphonate as unregulated substance. In US it is used in organic farming. That was also the case in EU before 2013.
Phosphorous acid doesn't disintegrate into nature easily, and has no nutritional value to the plant.  But don't confuse with phosphoric acid which is used to regulate ph and its salts are used as fertilizer.
Here is the review.

Here is a research on apple
Just a note, potassium phosphonate yields the same results as Al-fosetyl. The later is a registered fungicide so it is presumed you know the risks and residues levels as with any other fungicide. While potassium phosphonate was sold as a plant strengthener and fertilizer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Carica quercifolia...Oak Leaved Papaya
« on: November 13, 2018, 03:23:57 AM »
Some plants are hermaphrodite and minimum temperature is 27F

Citrus General Discussion / Re: twig dieback with gum at branch crooks
« on: November 12, 2018, 07:15:02 PM »
Just one note more if you use Aliette or potassium phosphonate, both will turn into phosphonate acid with is effective to kill the patogen.
Bear in mind residues accumulate in plants even after many years. In Europe is was recently regulated it's use.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Winter Feeding of citrus
« on: November 12, 2018, 07:10:46 PM »
> iron becomes available to citrus when ph is under 6
Which form of Fe?

I am talking in particular about Ferric EDTA the most used in fertilizers but also about all the iron in general.
Sure there are other forms of Fe which are available to plants up to ph 9. I just say that applying too much iron when you see the sign of yellowing will build up in soil. The main problem is the PH, not that iron that is not present in soil. It's just not available. So most advanced gardeners apply iron to corect the problem. After a while once you correct the ph soil problem the iron becomes  available to the citrus plant in a high quantity which can eventually kill it.
Foliar spray of iron is not effective especially during the hot summer and under high light intensity can burn the plant.
Now if some of you went to the tropics, you can see that the land is red, sandy and lightweigh.. The red color comes from iron. Deficiency in iron over there is hardly seen.
In cold climates the citrus plants have a big problem with alkaline and chlorine water.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Winter Feeding of citrus
« on: November 12, 2018, 07:02:28 AM »
Laaz for potted plants though I would imagine applying micro nutrients through out the year would be essential for health and proper fruit production

Micro nutrients in high amounts can lead to toxicity. For instance iron becomes available to citrus when ph is under 6, and with high accumulation in soil can kill the plant.
My greenhouse has also high humidity and as a rule when humidity is high I water less, the plants can take water from the air and water droplets. Of course it depends also on temperature.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Oroblanco
« on: November 11, 2018, 08:11:53 AM »
How do you test if the seedling is tetraploid?

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