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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry plants and sun . . .
« on: September 29, 2018, 01:56:17 PM »
depends on variety, not sure my variety in southern Thailand, but sunmers 36-38c, months without rain, thriving.   Very productive, since then have planted many more to provide shade to more desirable fruit tree saplings.  As far as just sticking in ground, very little luck unless in almost full shaded area.  Instead did 16" cuttings, dipped in antifungal solution and potted for two months first before planting.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / kratom cuttings oahu
« on: June 30, 2018, 11:50:42 PM »
anybody have here?  like to skip any interisland or import hassle

the more sun, the nuttier the flavor.  I think many people in this forum can comment on Kauai coffee.  That is all the evidence you need to see about how why shade is different, and in some opinions better.

In my opinion, the nutty flavor overpowers all the subtleties of good coffee.  I can drink partial shade, but if talking about the wild sprawling coffee bushes under the canopy of 30 meter + trees, that is the best coffee in the world.  They harvest some coffee in Maui like that, used to or still have a roaster in Paia.

I have start to set up my coffee and have interspaced coffee between Artocarpus Lakoocha, and will do another section soon interspacing between Pedelai.  Artocarpus 4-5 meters between, then coffee at 2-2.5 in the middle.  I've also planted coffee in many spaces which I believe no other tree will thrive due to sunlight issues.  If I increased the spaced I could do Cacao, but I've already planted cacao inbetween the coconuts which can be spaced at 2.5-3 meters while still allowing lots of sunlight.

passionfruit has some good tendrils they can attach themselves and climb much better than beans and other vines, direct them towards the top of the trellis and they will do the rest themselves.  Gac is just as fast growing, if not more, tendrils much the same, give them some direction they will fill in the rest themselves.

If you want privacy, bamboo is great, and the leaves make great compost, the timber gives you materials, and you have food from the shoots if you pick an edible kind.

Many edible kinds are small as well, I have one kind can be eaten raw, it is spindly and bush and maxes out at about 20 feet, very slow growing. "Bong Waan Sai Nampeung"

Another kind maxes out about 30 feet, nice looking timber, relatively fast growing. "Gim Ju"

Some other kinds get to 100 feet and provide huge edible shoots, but so far these rot out at my house during floods, likely for the better these are so huge.

I think most people go wrong when trying to maintain bamboo when they cut it to a stump, proper maintenance of bamboo is cutting below the dirt, cutting the entire shoot off, if you have edible bamboo you will be doing this anyways, so maintenance and food come hand in hand.

maybe Garcinia atroviridis?  did you plant this one?  fruit reminded me of that, but I don't grow this one so not really familiar with the leaves.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sad pineapples
« on: June 06, 2018, 07:12:23 AM »
probably just getting sunburnt, those leaves dying are most likely the original small leaves from the top, just make sure the new growth is coming out green.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sad pineapples
« on: June 06, 2018, 05:01:42 AM »
roots havn't set in yet, so either the water in the hole is stagnant or it isn't getting enough water. I can see the soil is a bit compacted and with clay, so add some heavy mulch or compost around that and it will help break up the soil and allow the roots to attach.  It's very hard to kill a pineapple, so don't worry too much.

Next time take a stake and just press down to the depth of the core and pull the stick back and forth until you get just the right size, it will give the hole a tight fit and the soil will recompact well around  that core, that will prevent rotting water in the hole, and also the hole from drying out.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - first fruit size?
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:36:06 PM »
my other tree also around 4 years old, the lack of sun has surely slowed it down.  The mulberry is such a fast grower, but I thin it out enough to let the soursop survive, eventually it should pass the mulberry canopy

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mini Thailand Pineapple?
« on: June 05, 2018, 08:16:51 PM »
if you look in the video, "Pu Lei" growing in modern conditions is not so small at all, definitely medium sized.  Any pineapple with lack of fertilizer will produce a small pineapple.. grown plenty myself.  :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - first fruit size?
« on: June 05, 2018, 08:13:15 PM »

No, none of those of ants. I believe leaf cutter ants are from the New World. If you have them in Thailand, I don't think they are native.
 It's just very small brownish ants, I think they feed on flower nectar, also farm scale and mealybugs, so double edge sword. Nests are underground, not visible. My soursop fruits get lots of mealybugs as soon as fruit get to about tennis size ball size. I just cut the fruit and fertilize the tree with it's own fruit. I don't care for this fruit, just want to have good looking tree  ;D ;D

these kind:  they aren't as prolific farmers as fire ants, but they definitely don't eat the pests I hate.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - first fruit size?
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:12:52 AM »
what kind ants you got Durian Lover?  Any chance Red Tree ants, the leaf cutter ant?  Why would they aid pollination?
I chased mine out of the tree, they went crazy over the fruit, kept trying to build nests around the soursop fruit, laying eggs right on the node, they had about 4 other nests in the tree at the same time, I chase them out of every tree they come into by hosing them down everyday.

My first fruit was a bit elongated, size of a small Durian, not as big as some seen, but definitely twice the size of a softball, sweet, less acid then the ones I ate in Hawaii before.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mini Thailand Pineapple?
« on: June 04, 2018, 08:06:30 PM »
this video shows some trees in the field and the rolling hills you would expect from the old wive's tales about this pineapple:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mini Thailand Pineapple?
« on: June 04, 2018, 07:50:54 PM »
the variety is called "pu lei" - if write in Thai you must add word for pineapple 'saparod' - สับปะรดภูแล
It size and taste is mostly attributed to how and where it is grown, they are partially shade grown on the hills in the north of Thailand --- chilled nights and mornings

I just looked at some pictures and although it is said to be shade grown it seems not so much anymore.

It's not as good as the cost in my opinion.  It is a status symbol to eat this kind...  It is about 5 times more expensive than a great pineapple like "patavee"

Taste is low acid, sweet, core is often eaten.  Because it only comes from that region, and those growing conditions, perhaps any variety grown there with low fertilizer would give the same results.  You could say that "Pu Lei' is organic and wild.

If authentic it is grown in these three districts in Chiang Rai:

ตำบลนางแล - Nang Lei
ตำบลท่าสุด - Ta Soot
ตำบลบ้านดู่ - Baan Duu

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« on: June 04, 2018, 06:45:05 AM »
only Chompuu Tabtim at the markets here down south, usually if buy about 70% is sweet, the other 30% can be a bit bland.  Chilling them in the fridge seems to help sweeten them a bit.  I am not big on them because price usually 60-80/kg.  But every other kind of wild small Chompuu have in my neighborhood, they must have been popular 30-50 years ago.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Kratom Mitragyna speciosa
« on: June 04, 2018, 01:15:07 AM »
beautiful looking leaves! 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - first fruit size?
« on: June 03, 2018, 09:30:29 PM »
in full sun, and seasonal flooding past 4 years for months at a time.   Soil was and still is very acidic.  Now it is not low area because dug pond, so the sides around tree been raised about 3 feet, the addition of soil hasnt seemed to hurt it

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - first fruit size?
« on: June 03, 2018, 07:47:48 PM »
motivation to photograph my tree?  haha, I'll get it done today, it's looking quite nice, only a bit of top pruning to remove tree ants earlier this year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« on: June 03, 2018, 07:43:47 PM »
By the way in the south where I'm at, Chompuu is also the word for Guava.  :)
And Yawi is spelled Jawi so maybe Jambu is pronouned Yambu in native Malay.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« on: June 03, 2018, 07:40:22 PM »
Not sure about in the USA, here it is quite easy to buy, always top grafted since this varieity is seedless.
ชมพู่ทับทิมจันทร์ - Chompuu Taptim Jun - if this was translated to English it might be named - Ruby Moon Java Apple, you can see it is the one in the middle top row of this picture:

Changing the intonation of Chompuu a bit is the word for Pink in Thai, but perhaps it is from Jambu, if Jambu is a Malay word perhaps it is a soft J?  It would have to pass through Yawi language to get here, knowing the Yawi word for Java Apple might be a clue if it is a borrowed wood.

Also Thai does have a 'J', Thai doesn't have a 'sh' sound.

This study is quite interesting on this topic, where I got the pic, sorry all in Thai:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - first fruit size?
« on: June 03, 2018, 07:25:25 AM »
I did a while, that's how I got that first fruit.  I think won't need to do later as foliage gets more dense and more flowers on the tree. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - first fruit size?
« on: June 03, 2018, 04:38:10 AM »
my first fruit was small as well, fruited in 4th year, about 3 months ago, plenty flowers before and after that but hasn't set fruit since.  I think it will sort itself out, the foliage getting much more denser.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« on: June 03, 2018, 12:31:56 AM »
the one in the picture, that is the superior of superior strains, in fact it is the only one commercially produced.  It is seedless, and sweeter than any another variety here in Thailand, except for perhaps some recently introduced ones that aren't on the market yet.  If you are going to plant any variety then that is the one!

It is a bit of confusion here as well, all 'rose apples' are called "Chompuu" which almost sounds like Shampoo.  :)

The jambos variety is very uncommon here and called Chompoo Nam Dog Mai - "flower water rose apple"  I have seeds I brought from Hawaii  and planted, but other people who are growing likely got from Malaysia, some nurseries sell these now.

Malaccense- definitely the "mamiew" variety, but called "Chompoo Mamiew", large red, pink red flowers, sweeter than wax jambu.  I have several Mamiew trees on my property, fruit flies again get them, and they have problems with too much water uptake, deformed fruits, fungus on leaves, etc.. many problems with these trees, which I guess would be my climate having a very short dry season.

Then there are many other varieties, but not sure what they are, if just identifying by color of flowers then I guess easy. The wilder ones like on my property, at the temple and schools in my neighborhood are massive trees that nobody cares about or eats, they sweep them up with a broom and throw away, I feed mine to the pig.  They are very small.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« on: June 01, 2018, 08:37:37 PM »
The fruit we call Rose Apple is Syzygium jambos and it only comes in one color: pale yellow. They are small, round, and dry, though sweet.

Wax Jambu is S. samarangense and it comes in a wide variety of sizes, shapes, and colors, but the flowers are always pale yellow.

Malay Apple is S. malaccense and its flowers are always bright pink.

hopefully that clears up this thread a bit of confusion.

Sunny= Mamiew would be Malay Apple vareity then, it is pink flowers.

I have a green wax jambu, it produces all year round, but the fruit flies really get all the fruits, even with about 10 fruit fly traps in the tree they still get hit.

I have a Taiwan Giant Green Wax Jambu variety in a pot, I hope to graft it onto the small green wax jambu I have, it would make bagging the fruits less time consuming and worth the effort.

If the wax jambu on the property wasn't so big I would have cut it down a long time ago.  For now it is giving nice shade and food for the pig.

On a side note I saw a Malay Apple tree recently with a height of over 60 feet and trunk diameter around 5 feet.  It must be some sort of record, I just couldn't believe how big it was.

can help more if know the district and some examples of the trees you want.  There is a yellow pages for  nurseries.

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