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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Tree Top Work
« on: November 10, 2019, 07:14:41 PM »
I don't want the VP. To me it's a shy tree. Very vigorous but not willing to fruit. Actually, I have many trees and this one seems like it is not wanting to reward me. I will see how it does this season but to me at least it's not worth the trouble. I hope I can find a solution for it but it's not that simple. Digging it out seems like a big job.

Iím surprised your VP is a shy bearer for you. Is there a possibility you are giving it too much Nitrogen? Do you have a lawn in your yard where excess lawn fertilizer may be getting to the VP? Or perhaps your tree may be lacking some minor or trace elements?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ?? mango season ??
« on: November 10, 2019, 03:40:35 PM »
This ultimate mango list can be a guide for us.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ?? mango season ??
« on: November 10, 2019, 01:32:41 PM »
Hey Patrick,

I donít believe we have much data collected in terms of early, mid and late season Mango varieties for Southern California.

Warren is very knowledgeable and may have more information. In our colder climate, our fruit hangs on the tree for extended periods of time and our cooler weather also triggers secondary and even tertiary blooms.

For some varieties like Maha Chanok and Sweet Tart, we can oftentimes get an early crop and a second later crop.

In my yard, I have noticed that Glenn seems to be one of the earlier varieties year in and out. Maha, Edward and Carrie can be early to mid season but if the first or second blooms get frozen back or there was no fruit set, the third blooms can produce late season fruit instead.

I have noticed in Leoís yard that the larger fruiting varieties seem to ripen later in the season. Right now is prime harvesting season in Leo Manuelís yard.

I currently have Cotton Candy, Peach Cobbler and a single Lemon Zest still hanging on my trees.

This is a great thread and I hope we can gather more information from other SoCal growers so that we can make better recommendations in the future.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« on: November 09, 2019, 10:36:34 PM »
The newer Zill varieties are absolutely incredible and a game changer. I hope they grow and fruit well in Australia. Lemon Zest, Sweet Tart, Venus, Peach Cobbler, PiŮa Colada, Pineapple Pleasure, M4 and E4 are all top notch. Iím eager to see what our Australian friends think about these newer varieties.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Everything is blooming in spring
« on: November 09, 2019, 10:23:55 PM »
Beautiful blooms and tasty fruit to come. What a wonderful start to Spring for you. Congratulations on all the blooms.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any Info on Cotton Candy Mango?
« on: November 06, 2019, 12:29:42 PM »
It has been Disease resistant for me. I still have two fruit hanging and they should ripen soon. I canít say wether itís vigorous or not but itís been very good at setting fruit in my area with high levels of moisture and Powdery Mildew.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« on: November 06, 2019, 12:25:59 PM »
I just cut open my last Seedling W, Apricot mango and this fruit had a Brix of 26%. It was very sweet and very complex. The skin color on this fruit ripened to an orange color on the shoulders with a hint of red. This selection actually does have a small amount of fiber, similar to a Julie. The flavor also has hints of Julie in it, a very deep rich flavor accentuated by slight resin flavor.

One strange thing I noticed about this fruit is that it had what appeared to be white latex like sap inside the fruit close to the skin near the stem end of the fruit. I would consider this a major flaw but it seems to give this fruit a crazy depth of flavor. I avoided the white sappy looking substance and ate around it but there are strong delicious flavors around that area.

I didnít take any pictures of the sap because my hands were covered in mango juice but if I get another fruit, Iíll try to see if it consistently has this white substance inside the fruit. I got a little tickle on the back of my throat after eating this fruit so I would warn people that are allergic to mango sap or latex to avoid eating this selection.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the best variety of loquat?
« on: November 05, 2019, 09:20:36 PM »
Yeah, Iíd have to agree with you. My soil is horrible and I donít water or fertilize my tree much. It is also competing with a tremendous amount of weeds.

On years which I actually water and fertilize appropriately, I get huge fruit.
This link has pictures of my Big Jim fruits, larger than a chicken egg.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« on: November 04, 2019, 10:15:54 PM »
I picked up some Leo W Mangos from Leo Manuel last week and just cut them open and they were fantastic!  Leo mentioned that this mango was well liked when he sampled out his fruit. He gave me a few fruit to take home and evaluate.

The fruit is small, approximately 9-10 Oz and it is mostly green in color with a yellowish shoulder as the fruit approaches maturity. The smell of this fruit is very similar to the smell of a combination of Apricot and mango. Leo also calls this fruit Apricot.

The taste of this mango is very unique. Upon first bite, I thought it tasted like Kesar but it also had hints of Apricot and citrus which made the flavor profile very complex. This mango is sweet with a Brix of 22% and does not really have any acid balance but there is some slight Indian resin flavor that made it extremely tasty.

There was very minimal fiber and this fruit is extremely juicy. The bad thing about this mango is that I got one fruit out of 4 with internal breakdown. The fruit in the picture below was also over ripe as you can see.

I would not be surprised if this mango were an Alphonso or Kesar cross


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picture of large yellow S. Megalanthus
« on: November 04, 2019, 06:44:54 PM »
I have a friend that did the same thing with the store bought fruit and the graft took. Iím sure there are many people with the giant yellows now. Brads got multiple selections of the giant yellow at his orchard, hopefully they will fruit next year.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the best variety of loquat?
« on: November 04, 2019, 06:41:50 PM »
I grow my Loquat as a tree. The heavy fruiting on my tree seems to take away a lot of its vigor. I also top worked several branches of my Loquat which seems to have slowed it down even more.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: BRIX
« on: November 03, 2019, 05:58:18 PM »
This paper shows how you can increase the Brix of Mangos. By spraying with the suggested foliar sprays at the recommended concentrations, they were also able to increase yields/decrease fruit drop.

Ensuring your trees get enough nutrition, especially Potassium, Calcium and the appropriate amount of Boron can help to achieve higher Brix levels.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picture of large yellow S. Megalanthus
« on: November 03, 2019, 05:37:37 PM »
Hmart in San Diego has these giant Megalanthus again. Theyíve pretty much had them year round but they were the slightly smaller ones. They got a large shipment of these larger ones that weigh over one pound. I bought one just to get a weight and take a picture. This fruit is 1.17lbs


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering seedling
« on: November 01, 2019, 07:55:32 PM »
Good luck with your seedling, hopefully it will produce tasty fruit for you. I love seeing people grow trees from seeds. If the fruit isnít good, at least youíll have rootstock to graft onto. It may be worth waiting and tasting at least a few years of fruit as first fruits may not be good because of juvenility of the tree.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya breeding the quest for the best
« on: November 01, 2019, 11:03:48 AM »
Hey Mike,

Thanks for all the information regarding the new Atemoya varieties being developed in Australia. There are a few of us here working on backyard scale breeding projects but itís going to be a long road ahead for us.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: BRIX
« on: October 31, 2019, 06:55:58 PM »
Thanks for the info! People also sometimes get incorrect Brix readings by getting small pieces of fruit flesh mixed in with the sample. If this happens, it will interfere with the light and can give a false high reading.

From what I have experienced, taking Brix readings from just about every piece of fruit Iíve eaten, the higher the Brix, the better the fruit tastes. The caveat is that over ripe fruit/fermented fruit can be horrible.


Hey Sandiegojane,

Welcome to the forum! I have never tried external heat sources for outdoor Mangos but I was able to inhibit flowering and promote a vegetative flush in winter with grafted trees moved into my garage and supplemented with bottom heat via large seedling heat mats and artificial lighting.

In this thread, I have previously mentioned that planting seeds from Polyembryonic varieties like Sweet Tart, may be a good way of growing mango trees in marginal climate areas. By growing seedlings which lack the mature, florigenic hormones, the tree will grow vegetatively for several years before flowering.

Early flowering causes droopiness in the branches due to the weight of the flower panicles and droopiness of branches exposes the branches to the sun which can lead to sunburn.

The issue with planting seedlings from Polyembryonic varieties is that you wonít know for sure wether you are planting the clone or the zygotic seedling. Not all seeds from Polyembryonic Mangos will give you multiple seedlings and sometimes you will get multiple sprouts from the same segment of a seed.

In order to get a better chance at selecting a clone, you will want to ensure you get at least two sprouts from different segments of the seed making sure each seedling has its own individual root system. If you plant out both the seedlings, there is a better chance of getting a clone.

This year, I am doing a little experiment where I grafted a mango tree with multiple ďtrue Sweet TartĒ scions along with scions from Sweet Tart seedlings. I expect the branches grafted with true Sweet Tart scions to flower this year or next but Iím hoping the seedling scions will be delayed in their flowering.

If there is any noticeable difference in the time it takes for first blooms to appear between the mature scions vs the seedling scions, I may be able to graft up trees that will grow slightly better due to delayed flowering/increased vegetative growth.

The rootstock tree has flowered before so I consider it mature rootstock even though the rootstock tree was only about 2-3 feet tall when I topworked it.

This rootstock tree is the same tree as my Double Stone Graft Lemon Zest but one rootstock died so it is a single rootstock tree now. I topworked 15 branches with mostly true Sweet Tart scions but I also added Peach Cobbler, Cotton Candy, PPK, Orange Sherbet Seedling #1, Sweet Tart Seedling #1 and Sweet Tart Seedling #2. This tree was originally Lemon Zest so there are a couple true Lemon Zest branches on this tree and all the grafts are grafted onto Lemon Zest as an interstock between the rootstock and Scions.

This tree was grafted on 9/19/19 and 14 of the 15 grafts have pushed and the last graft is still green but we are about to hit our cold weather so itís not looking good for it. I reached a low of 44F early this morning.


Hereís a closer look at one of my main problems. Itís still October and my LZ is already beginning to bloom.


Great info Mark! The only time I cover/wrap the wound is when Iím bark grafting a large branch. If not wrapped, the union will dry up. I believe you are speaking more toward trimming trees or removing large branches?


My Peach Cobbler on Seedling rootstock also held fruit in a heavy Powdery Mildew year for me.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« on: October 29, 2019, 07:50:23 PM »
Awesome Behl! If only we can do a comparison of Lemon Zest, Sweet Tart and Venus side by side for these later ripening fruit.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 20 year old mango tree removal
« on: October 29, 2019, 07:48:21 PM »
I agree with Brad.

Also, is there a good reason to remove the tree? If the fruit is inferior, have you considered top working the tree. The newer Zill varieties are awesome and if your tree is large and healthy, you can top work and get fruit from the tree in about 2-3 years.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya Season 2019 (So Cal)
« on: October 29, 2019, 07:43:30 PM »
My fruit are sizing up finally, they were growing and then stayed about the same size for about 6 weeks and are now starting to grow again. I didnít think as much as I was planning to so I think my fruit may be smaller this year.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to pick Edward mango fruit?
« on: October 28, 2019, 06:41:05 PM »
The picture from Toptropical does not appear to be Edward


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to pick Edward mango fruit?
« on: October 28, 2019, 06:39:54 PM »
My Peach Cobbler has some yellow on the shoulders. Iíll be sure to post a picture of it when itís ripe. Your fruit cut open does not look like Edward.


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