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I am not aware of any self-fertile mountain pepper, but there are a couple of species, not just T. lanceolata, so maybe somewhere there exists one - they also have a wide range. The leaves of the plants can still be used to give a spicy quality - no sweetness as with the berries, but not totally useless as a male plant. You may want to search under the name Tasmannia lanceolata, as drimys is not accepted here for native species.

@Seawalnut - I agree that Aussie plants do not make good fresh fruit, but there are many species here that work well as a spice or condiment.

I Stand corrected! A good story of hope there.

I thought P. maideniana wouldn't be possible, as I know it from the Sydney Botanic Gardens, which state: "This species was botanically described in 1913 from two mature specimens growing in this Botanic Garden. Long thought to be extict in the wild the species was recognised in 2007 as being the same as plants formerly known as P. affinis in Hawaii. The name commemorates Joseph Maiden, Director from 1896 to1925."

Are there any P. maideniana in Hawaii? Certainly not any wild ones anymore.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Air Layering with Water
« on: December 01, 2019, 05:31:44 AM »
I haven't tried it, but can't imagine it being more effective than soil, as there isn't air for gaseous exchange.

I imagine this has a similar effect as to cinturing/girdling and branch bending, but those techniques can't be used on pawpaw effectively.

It may have some affect on reducing stem breakage, but mustn't be the only factor, since staking is easier.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian seedling flowers?
« on: October 30, 2019, 08:55:25 PM »
Are there any Durio species that aren't cauli/ramiflorous? Maybe it's a spontaneous mutation o_O?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Monstera Deliciosa seeds
« on: October 27, 2019, 11:07:20 PM »
The odds of growing a variegated plant from seeds are extremely low. You'd likely have to grow hundreds if not thousands of plants before you get one, and it may be unstable or just a pure albino, which is unsustainable. Much easier to grow from an existing cutting.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Duranta Erecta
« on: October 26, 2019, 10:07:05 PM »
I didn't know it had a vining form. The plant in your photos doesn't look like D. erecta I am familar with, maybe you had something else that is similar-looking?, though it is a fairly polymorphic plant.

Weird little nub on the end. Was this a cross between a red finger lime, or did the pinkish colour just spontaneously develop? Looks quite different from the other finger lime crosses I've seen (Red Centre Lime & Sunrise Lime).


Ahh, the bane of the modern world. Thanks for filming them!

Is there a longer version of Marco's 2nd Presentation part 2? It's only a minute long and cuts off just before Sapotaceae, which I find most interesting.

Great presentations though, thanks for sharing!

I doubt many nurseries are able to issue phyto certs in Sydney, and I think finding one with finger limes would be extra tough, as most grafted varieties stock comes from only a couple of nurseries between the northern rivers and sunshine coast, and non-grafted finger limes are mostly found in smaller nurseries. (And why would you go to the trouble of exporting a non-grafted anyway?)

Unfortunately the Aus Citrus Propagation Program doesn't have finger limes, so there aren't any official channels to go through either.

I'd try contacting AQIS (or whatever it's now called) directly to see what the options are for getting one and putting it through the process by a third party. I can't imagine it would be cheap though. It may be worth contacting some of the wholesale finger lime nurseries (up north) for their take as well, but I wouldn't hold your breath on them.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: davidson's plum wanted
« on: September 30, 2019, 12:37:39 AM »
While there are a couple of ripe fruit here & there, normal Davidson's plum isn't in season just yet (neither is D. johnsonii), so not really. Smooth davidson's plum can only be propagated vegetatively.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: davidson's plum wanted
« on: September 29, 2019, 04:25:30 AM »
There isn't much diversity fruit-wise (except for season), and I don't believe any sweet versions exist. Having said this, I have tried fruit from the related smooth davidson's plum (Davidsonia johnsonii), and while still sour, it was significantly sweeter and was pleasant fresh. Unfortunately this species has smaller fruit and also can only be propagated vegetatively.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Eugenia etna fire seeds
« on: September 15, 2019, 10:33:22 PM »
I agree. Reminds me of Syzygium australe or paniculatum

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold hardy australian plants
« on: August 23, 2019, 11:06:59 AM »
Eucalyptus gunnii is the most cold hardy Aussie tree, also maxing out at zone 6. It can be tapped to produce something akin to maple syrup. As for fruit, not much in the way of cold hardy things - Tasmanian mountain pepper (T. lanceolata) can withstand some cold. I imagine some of the flax lilies would too. Quandong and Aristotelia could maybe handle a light frost. A lot of the more southerly species from aromatic genera could probably handle a little cold. Pineapple grass can handle cold, but the berry is less than desirable. Bunya pines can handle a light frost.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Insane ,,pest,, control
« on: August 14, 2019, 06:21:42 AM »
I'm sure in Romania that Asian carp have been found to beneficial; Asian carp refers to a number of species, of which some are native to the region, and so the ecosystem has co-evolved around them. In places like North America and Australia, where Asian carp are considered noxious pests, they are not native, and the ecosystem is not able to keep equilibrium with them. There is no need to compare the work of the US and Romania, I'm sure both have their good sides and down sides, but to dismiss Asian carp as an environmental threat in these regions is to overlook significant amounts of genuine research.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Insane ,,pest,, control
« on: August 13, 2019, 07:53:46 PM »
This kind of pest control had been banned in Australia for a long time because we couldn't stop it from being used by native animals like dingos, but recently a modification to the design based on the jaws of the fox so only they can use it has been made. This would make it a very precise and effective way of dealing with such a ecologically damaging pest.

I think with most methods of pest control, there are some places/conditions where it will work and others where it won't, and it is a matter of use/abuse.

At the moment, my top 5 are (Assuming top quality fruit):

1) Mango
2) Mangosteen
3) Tangelo or Dekopon
4) Peach
5) Sapodilla or Date

Have only placed 1 thing from each genera, otherwise after 1), everything would be Garcinia. Rankings may change depending on mood.

I don't have experience with grafting these together, but I imagine this will not work as they are from different subsections of ficus, and graft incompatibility has been shown across different subsections in the past. However, there is still the possibility, since I remember a discussion here about a nematode resistant rootstock for F. carica that was from a different subsection. Best way to find out is to try!

Tamarillos, Papayas & Babacos, Passionfruit (though they are a vine), Banana, Inga sp (Ice cream bean)? Should be noted that a short lifespan here is between 3 & 30 years, and maybe the tree can still survive, but is in poor form.

A large portion of fruiting things that aren't trees have relatively short lifespans - i.e. watermelon, strawberries etc.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangifera Indica is a myth
« on: July 11, 2019, 09:30:09 PM »
It's best to use a combination of both fossils and DNA, because DNA is very useful in getting a distinct picture of the way the genes have travelled, (for instance look at the history of Castanospermum australe in Australia), but can get murky if there has been a lot of travel and mixing, and wild related populations are gone. In this case, fossils provide a useful platform which can be used with the DNA to show the place of origin by tracing gene age with fossil age to gain the travel direction of the domesticated plant.

Anyhow, the species epithet 'Indica' has been applied to many species not originally from India, such as Canna indica, Opuntia ficus-indica and Tamarindus indica, so even if it isn't from India, it doesn't mean the name is incorrect.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What type of fruit tree is this ?
« on: June 29, 2019, 04:58:23 AM »
About as edible as dirt

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can caper berries be eaten fresh?
« on: June 20, 2019, 09:12:28 PM »
I don't know about the mediterranean caper, but the capparis species native to Australia all produce raw edible fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Australian Finger Lime Culture
« on: May 28, 2019, 08:16:49 PM »
UPDATE. A couple of lime finger misteries solved.

1) The 60g fruits is not a myth. Lime fingers definitely can make much bigger fruits. I had seen one last weekend, in the middle of a shrub loaded with standard fruits. More than double of the standard width.

2) I did some research about the strange RodneyS plant with leaves very different from Microcitrus australasica. Definitely NOT the common australian finger lime...

I was given an Australian Finger Lime from a friend.  I belive it's the green kind.  Can't wait to try those citrus pellets

... BUT, can be still a finger lime.

Probably one hybrid from the species Citrus wintersii (formerly called Microcitrus papuana). If that, RodneyS could expect mint-green finger lime fruits with whitish green crystals.

This reminds me of some of the hybrids that have been developed, like the red-centre lime and the sunrise lime

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