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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava ID help
« on: July 21, 2019, 07:51:50 PM »
Hmm yeah mine seem to be a lot larger than Ruby X Supreme. Either way I guess I will just sell it as pink guava. They sure are delicious!

If they were anything like my previous tree (bought at home depot) I was going to pull it out and put something else there. Those were mostly all seeds that were basically rocks. This tree I have now has given me a new appreciation for guavas.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava ID help
« on: July 21, 2019, 11:00:41 AM »
Thank you, I don’t know much about the actual different varieties, just that their are the Thai white and pink guavas plus I am sure some other general groupings.

Anyone else think it is a ruby x supreme or possibly a different variety? I want to sell cuttings when I prune it and don’t want to mislabel it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Guava ID help
« on: July 20, 2019, 09:01:22 PM »
I bought this guava tree last year and it was just to me as a pink guava from a lady I found online that was running her own little nursery.  I have no idea what kind this actually is. Can someone help me?

It is literally the beat guava I have eaten. I had another pink guava tree a few years ago and it produced good fruit but the skin was a lot thicker, had what seemed to be a million seeds in the inside and seeds were hard as rocks. This guava has thin skin, not that many seeds and what seeds it does have are easily crushable, some are even soft,  and not hard as rocks. They are also a lot bigger than the ones I grew previously. Any ideas?

* The guava in my hand is not the one I cut up..





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If the tree has other branches, totally fine to tip the first flush. I have done this on nearly all the grafts on the cogs hall I'm topworking. The ones I didn't do it on was just because time got away from me...  I leave at least 2 leaves on the branch I tip.

perfect thank you!

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Congratulations on the successful takes.
The trees I have bought were veneer grafted. The union is usually close to the
ground. I understand you should make your first prune when the center leader of your tree
is as high as your waist. Then you prune above a node. You are then looking for the 3-4 strongest
shoots that are evenly spaced. When the new shoots are 2 feet you tip them and so on.
A very good video has been shared on this forum.

Thank you. I was grafting onto an already mature tree so the grafts are more around shoulder height. I was just wondering if it was okay to prune them after their first flush hardens or should you wait for a couple flushed before you prune to cause branching. I have seen the videos you are talking about. Great videos on how to prune a mango.

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Bump.....
I really don't want to kill them by pruning them too soon so if anyone can let me know when is the earliest I can prune it that would be great.

I have watched many videos on grafting but no one ever says how much you should let it grow before you prune it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to buy shade cloth?
« on: July 12, 2019, 08:28:08 AM »
I have bought some at lowes and home depot before.

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I just recently had 4 successful sweet tart grafts. Currently they are done with their first flush and starting to turn green. My question is when is the earliest I can tip them to make them branch? After the first flush hardens or should I was until after the second flush hardens, or should you wait even longer?

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You wouldn't get shade during the cooler months as it drops almost all leaves...plus a wonderful mess on your soles, in spring time when it drops a gazillion berries to the ground, definitely not recommended for a driveway or a sitting area, just for a chicken's lunch area in my case.

Mulberry

I have one on the corner of my property, and it gets picked daily fairly high up. Do that and the mess is negligible, it's in the grass anyway.

Yeah it drops leaves but it's worth it for those can't buy in a store mulberries :-)

Interesting that all of you say your mulberry trees drop their leaves. Mine drops maybe 1/6 of its leaves, if that. It stays mainly green all year and I am in 10a. Also I have a shangri la so it is a big leaf variety, pretty tropical looking to me. More tropical looking than a mango or longan in my opinion.

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Breakfast: Maha Chanok, Angie, Fruit Punch

Maha is an all time great.  This one had an interesting spiraling black patch and skin partly going off.  But inside is was perfect.  Firm.  Dense.  Good aroma and subtle flowery sweetness.  For those intimidated by sickly sweetness from the new fangled Zill releases, the classic Maha offers respite.  It was good i ate it first because....

Angie I ate firm as recommended by posters here.  Strikingly beautiful reddish orange speckled skin conceals yellow gold inside.  Stronger aroma than Maha, just as dense but much more flavor.  Is it top tier?  For a true snob, no.  But second tier is no insult.  I really enjoyed Angie and can see how it is being actively pitched as the north america Alphonso substitute.  On its own, eaten firm, you'd have no complaints.  But i followed it with...

Fruit Punch.  My, my, my.  We only scooped two this year and man were they good.  Spotted blackening skin covered immaculate yellowy orange fleshed.  Even denser than Angie.  Even more aromatic than Angie.  Even sweeter than Angie.  Definitely more complex flavor.  Had I eaten this first, well, yea... it closed out breakfast strong.  Its been a while since i had it in promised form and today was that day.

Fruit Punch, hands down, wins breakfast.  Yes, it delivered the knockout.

On the table we have Mun Khun See, Taralay, PPK, Philippine, E4 and Sweet Tart...

Didnt see your review on sweet tart in your post above where you covered Mun Khun See, ppk and E4. What were your thoughts on it? Grafting over a tree to sweet tart now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PPK mango tree not growing.
« on: June 11, 2019, 11:42:16 AM »
Is it getting full sun?

Yeah it is in full sun. Maybe once the rains really start around here it will take off.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PPK mango tree not growing.
« on: June 11, 2019, 11:19:23 AM »
So I bought a 3 gallon ppk/lemon meringue mango tree sometime in Feb, I put it in the ground and it has yet to put on any new growth. The tree overall looks healthy but I am puzzled as to why the thing has not grown at all in the past 5 months or so. I have been giving it water since we have not been getting any but I also tried not watering it for a couple weeks to see if that would make it start growing, nothing happened. What do you guys think? All of my other mango trees are putting on new growth like crazy, they are however mature trees.

I am thinking about giving it until july/august and then it is getting replaced with another ppk.

I planted a healthy looking 3gl cogshall two years ago and it did not budge for a whole year, now it is growing like a wild fire. It is likely just getting established and putting all of it's energy into rooting, Next summer it should go nuts. Be careful not to over fertilize it. I have killed several you mango trees that way, Hard lesson to learn.

Yeah I only gave it a little bit since it is a young tree. I didnt even want to put any fertilizer on it at all but I was to the point where if it didnt start growing it was going to get replaced anyway.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PPK mango tree not growing.
« on: June 09, 2019, 02:59:04 AM »
LM is slow to start, especially if you don't give it nitrogen. My 5 year old tree stands a towering 7 - 8 feet tall. Meanwhile, my lemon zest of same age is twice as tall.

I did just give it some fertilizer a couple days ago, we will see if it helps any.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PPK mango tree not growing.
« on: June 08, 2019, 10:08:49 PM »
You have to be patient. They put out roots first before putting out new growth. Pruning will speed up the process, even cutting an inch off of the tips will do the trick.

I have thought about pruning it. But it is only a 3 gallon mango, it is probably only a foot tall... maybe a bit more.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PPK mango tree not growing.
« on: June 08, 2019, 09:51:16 PM »
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / PPK mango tree not growing.
« on: June 08, 2019, 09:50:16 PM »
So I bought a 3 gallon ppk/lemon meringue mango tree sometime in Feb, I put it in the ground and it has yet to put on any new growth. The tree overall looks healthy but I am puzzled as to why the thing has not grown at all in the past 5 months or so. I have been giving it water since we have not been getting any but I also tried not watering it for a couple weeks to see if that would make it start growing, nothing happened. What do you guys think? All of my other mango trees are putting on new growth like crazy, they are however mature trees.

I am thinking about giving it until july/august and then it is getting replaced with another ppk.

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I have the same problem with a sweetheart
Only my tree hasn't flushed in 2 1/2 years?
I cut 10 mangos off it the past 2 years so it would grow and it's not even 3 feet
and won't flush??? I would guess your two trees are developing roots now?
That sounds very suspicious. I have 10 of this variety (Sweet Tart) and they are among the more vigorous upright growers, as mentioned previously by others.
One year has seen 4-5 flushes and growth above 4 feet from a 3 gallon. Tall enough I harvested scions. Maybe there is a defect in the root system?

My lemon meringue has not grown at all yet either. I forget exactly when I put it in the ground but it was somewhere around Feb. Starting to make me wonder... Starting to think I should give it till June/July and if nothing happens replace it with another one.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first mango tree... Venus Mango
« on: May 14, 2019, 04:05:42 PM »
Just my opinion, I am no expert:

1. do not amend your soil with anything.
2. I would top each branch now
3.Watch this video, especially around the 8:40 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh1AnvNa6mc

Here’s my three main stems. Any advice is greatly appreciated!

Right side


Left side


Middle


I would tip the left and right branches right under the new growth. I would also tip the middle branch really anywhere towards the top. I would do it right under the cluster of leaves at the top.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first mango tree... Venus Mango
« on: May 14, 2019, 03:45:17 PM »
Just my opinion, I am no expert:

1. do not amend your soil with anything.
2. I would tip each branch now
3.Watch this video, especially around the 8:40 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh1AnvNa6mc

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Guava Leaf Spot
« on: May 10, 2019, 07:45:14 PM »
Pictures are not loading, for me at least.

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Hey Carcarlo, just to point out the obvious here, why not put you pots on pieces of slate or rocks? I keep mine on leftover solid chunks of granite from counter tops to keep the roots from going down

Or why not just put them in the ground? If the reason for keeping them in pots is because of nematodes. Well keeping a pot on the ground is inviting nematodes in. If they get in a potted plant I have seen where the fig tree will die. Since there are no roots that they cant get to.

So if you are going to keep it on a pot it needs to be up off the ground like on a concrete slab or something.

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A little update. I currently have brown turkey, green ischia, figo preto and black maderia.

My brown turkey is in the ground as well as my green ischia. Both are doing great and are COVERED in figs.
My black madeira is still in a pot and is also covered in figs, has a fig for every leaf(a lot have 2 per leaf), plus some breba figs from last years growth. I have picked half of them off so the tree will still grow this year.

My idea with the brown turkey is to wait and see how BM does for me in my climate and then hopefully graft it onto the brown turkey. There is documentation showing this will make your BM grow faster (a known slow grower) and also produce more.

For the brown turkey I did the bottomless 5 gallon pot "trick" and the green ischia I just put straight in the ground. Both are doing great, besides the common rust issue that we get here in florida with the humidity, but it doesnt seem to really make much of a difference. I heavily mulch both and use ground up crab shells which is supposed to bring in the good nematodes to get rid of the root knot nematodes.
I have seen a bunch of people swear you cannot grow fig trees in florida in ground. But then I saw a bunch of proof that you can with not much of an issue from the nematodes or the figs themselves splitting open (if you choose the right cultivars). The nematodes only live in the first 12 or so inches of the soil so as long as they have roots further down than that the plant will be fine and the above roots that are getting attacked by nematodes do not show an ill effects on the fig tree.

Side note:
When I pruned my fig tree I made 10 cuttings, stuck them outside in pots of kellogs organic potting mix and now I have 10 brown turkey figs that I am going to experiment with. Currently I bud grafted BM onto one and figo preto onto another.
Couldnt believe how easy it was to start brown turkey cuttings.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: To Mulch or Not to Mulch (Fruit Trees)
« on: April 17, 2019, 02:57:26 PM »
Every time I see a commercial fruit tree farm I have never seen mulch, besides whatever leaves the tree drops naturally. Makes you think there is a reason why they don't mulch.  ???

I had the same thought, but there could be many reasons, not least among them cost $$

Most people can get free mulch if you know what you are doing. For commercial size applications I have seen where people get it delivered by the dump truck load and just have to give the guys gas money. Most tree trimming businesses dump their chips/mulch at the dump, which costs money. So if they have a place to dump it for free they are usually happy to. So why wouldn’t commercial farms do this?
Also all of the u-pick fruit places I have been to, no mulch. Not on peaches, berry bushes, mulberries, anywhere.
Videos I have seen from people with mangrove groves, no mulch. Fruit and spice park in Florida, from the videos I have seen, no mulch. I did see where they put lemon grass and other plants next to trees though. I think I am going this route.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: To Mulch or Not to Mulch (Fruit Trees)
« on: April 17, 2019, 01:27:05 PM »
Every time I see a commercial fruit tree farm I have never seen mulch, besides whatever leaves the tree drops naturally. Makes you think there is a reason why they don't mulch.  ???


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My pickering mango tree is hurt...
« on: April 14, 2019, 03:24:56 PM »
Thank you. I sure hope it is harmless. It looks scary.


My post that cookie monster is referring to:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=31363.msg346334#msg346334

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