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I have a friend with one or two of these trees growing, I think there is usually some dried pods hanging, so scoring you some should be no problem.


 I had some kenaf seeds got infested with tiny bugs, don't know if they were weevils, but I mixed the seeds with diatomacious earth in a jar and after mixing put more DE on top. I don't think any insects can live for long in that situation.  Another possibility is to soak the seed for a minute in grain alcohol, then rinse them with water and soak for awhile in water to dilute the remaining alcohol.


Once upon a time I had a montana tree.  I expected its growth to be similar to my other annonas - atemoya, ilama and sugar apple. Unfortunately I was wrong. It was extremely vigorous and outgrew its area quite rapidly. After two years without a fruit, I got tired of pruning it and just chopped it down.  Shame, it was an attractive tree.  It withstood 28 degrees for more than a few hours without damage.


I like to pick a fruit half green half yellow, before the ringspot or rodents have a chance, and slice it and fry it in butter.  The peppery seeds become delicately crunchy.  Much better than raw fully ripe IMO.

Additionally, tea of the leaves is supposed to be super for liver detox, though I have not tested that myself:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Longan keep or cut down?
« on: June 26, 2020, 12:39:55 AM »

My longan is coming down soon, initially the fruit was large but they have gotten progressively smaller over the years.  No patience for coddling, buh-bye...


 chickenwire, rabbits or squirrel can chew through it, but not very quickly. 

Deer may try to plow it away with his hoof if the plant has a smell he likes.

It is good protection, much better than nothing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Buying Ice Cream Bean Seeds?
« on: June 15, 2020, 02:41:49 AM »

 one resource to consult about seed storage & viability:

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Psychotria viridis
« on: June 12, 2020, 01:01:49 AM »

Last I heard there was still disagreement whether alba and carthaginensis were separate species or just one with some variation.

Alba means white, and the flower is cream color to pale yellow, viridis means green, and the flower has a distinctively greenish cast, with the two plants side by side it should be obvious which is which, otherwise a subtle difference perhaps.

Tiny thorn-like projections under the leaf along the midrib is positive ID for Viridis, but these espinas are often lacking.

Another subtle difference, the leaf margins of Alba are quite wavy, the leaf margins of Viridis tent to be mostly flat with maybe a few waves.

There is also a morphological difference in the stipule, exactly what escapes me at the moment, but the most telling difference imo is the petiole, on Alba it is much more pronounced. See:

There is some free reading at the site by Trout and others, iyi. 

There was also an interesting video I had, I'll see if I can find that.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Psychotria viridis
« on: June 11, 2020, 07:50:33 PM »

Be aware that much of the P. viridis for sale is actually P. alba/carthaginensis, even from reliable vendors. There was a lot of confusion about this a few years back. Some people are still confused. Differentiating true viridis is tricky but not impossible. I can provide details if requested.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Babaco Cuttings in CA
« on: May 31, 2020, 10:13:43 PM »

Not sure if they still propagate these at laverne, I would suggest contacting them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Squirrels
« on: May 23, 2020, 10:22:03 PM »

Well I hate the squirrels as much as anybody, they are worse than rats when it comes to mangoes, but its wise to be aware of the laws.

Catching a rodent in a box trap and putting the trap in the pond for drowning is effective but illegal - misdemeanor animal cruelty.

Relocation seems humane, but you have to be careful. For example, in California its strictly verboten.

In Florida we have, in part:

Nuisance wildlife may only be released if:

1. The nuisance wildlife is released on the property of the landowner provided the release site and capture site are located on one contiguous piece of property, or

2. The nuisance wildlife is a native species; and,

3. The property where the nuisance animal is to be released is located within the county of capture and is a minimum of 40 contiguous acres; and,

4. The person releasing the nuisance wildlife is in possession, at time of release, of written permission from the property owner allowing such action.

Nuisance wildlife may not be released on federal, state, county, local or private lands without written permission of the landowner.



Don't want to see anyone get into trouble over these vermin.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Weird thing on Papaya
« on: February 19, 2020, 08:44:06 PM »

Looks like the egg case of a parasitic wasp that kills the caterpillers / hornworms that eat papaya leaves.

Sorry I don't know the species names off hand.


Well packaged, arrived in healthy condition, looks like a few are starting to sprout.


One member had seeds a few years ago, if that fact was overlooked:

Turkey tail is the easiest species to find growing wild, in my experience. Before you bother to try growing it, see how much is available in your local woods.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical plant nurseries in Clearwater FL
« on: October 14, 2019, 02:24:17 AM »

There's a cat in clearwater here:

 I do not know him, have never been to his place, just have seen his ads, judge for yourself.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: avocado cuttings in aloe vera
« on: October 04, 2019, 12:49:42 AM »

Looked like roots at 5:01 though I grabbed a low res version so hard to say for certain, but if there are new branches and leaves forming, its reasonable to assume that roots are forming also.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee question
« on: October 03, 2019, 11:41:04 PM »

There are many lychee around Tampa as well, 28F for 8 hours only resulted in defoliation for me, no die back, in slightly protected location. But they love humidity which Arizona is sorely lacking.  Occasional misting in summer would be futile, continuous misting, expensive.  A large humidity tent / greenhouse might be impractical, but that may be the only way.  Difficult to replicate jungle conditions in the desert.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: avocado cuttings in aloe vera
« on: October 03, 2019, 11:28:26 PM »
Its a very interesting concept. Since it works on avocado it should work on many other cuttings as well.

Aloe is a miraculous plant for cuts and burns on human skin, much better than anything that they have at the drug store in a tube, but I never considered a use such as this. Thank you for sharing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Tree Bark Came Out
« on: September 20, 2019, 01:43:58 AM »
Just wanted to second the lightning hypothesis, I had a mango tree struck about five years ago, four inch diameter trunk about three feet up, it looked very similar, bark blown off, but my tree was cracked all the way through, fallen over and leaning on the hedge.  I did nothing with it, its still growing and it produced a few fruits this year.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Eugenia etna fire seeds
« on: September 15, 2019, 09:05:59 PM »

Looks like Syzygium to me too, the fruit is wrong and Eugenia has much smaller leaves.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona/Atemoya seed Germination
« on: September 05, 2019, 07:40:28 PM »
Consider using hydrogen peroxide instead of plain water. The 4% from the drug store should not be harmful to the seeds or seedlings, but will kill mold and mildew and such.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 22, 2019, 10:08:44 PM »
Duckweed is an interesting idea.  It would contribute more protein/ nitrogen than even moringa, and not a lot of plants can do that. It also is edible.  Not to get off topic, I set up a pond for the chickens to access water, made from a free-on-craigslist jacuzzi shell.  The plants I have in there are just Bacopa and Calamus.  Duckweed might be available here:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 22, 2019, 12:01:29 AM »
Mokeyfish Moringa does not fix nitrogen

One useful tree not yet mentioned is Moringa, supplying not just nitrogen but food for humans too.

Some sources say yes, some no.

It has been suggested that because Moringa was initially classified a legume, it was then assumed it fixed nitrogen like other members of the family, but reclassified in brassica, its now assumed that the initial assumption was erroneous. I think its not as simple as that.

It has been established that Bradyrhizobium inoculation results in increased growth rates, leaf protein content and overall yield by weight, but without root nodulation. I think we don't fully understand what's happening.

Then we have this, from about 20 months ago:

"Seed-transmitted endophytic bacteria colonize all tissues of Moringa seedlings. Endophytes isolated from the Moringa seeds show positive effects on growth and potential for imparting increased disease resistance in plants. Bacillus pumilus and Pantoea agglomerans displayed growth promoting characteristics and the Klebsiella showed strong antifungal activities.  Examination of seedling roots showed presence of oxidizing intracellular bacteria as seen in many other plants where the rhizophagy cycle has been hypothesized. The rhizophagy cycle is a process whereby plants obtain nutrients from bacteria that alternate between an intracellular endophytic phase and a free-living soil phase. Bacteria acquire soil nutrients in the free-living soil phase; nutrients are extracted from bacteria oxidatively in the intracellular endophytic phase. A previous experiment suggested that 30% of the nutrients absorbed by plant roots may come from the rhizophagy cycle. It is possible that much of the enhanced protein accumulation capacity of Moringa could derive from the rhizophagy cycle and direct extraction from symbiotic
bacteria. Additional research is needed to confirm this possibility."

In the article "Constraints And Opportunities For Cultivation Of Moringa oleifera In The Zimbabwean Smallholder Growers" from "International Journal of Agricultural Research, Innovation and Technology" it is stated that Moringa benefits from mycorrhizal nitrogen–fixing association, but the species of fungi are not mentioned.

Finally in

we have:

"This present study is undertaken to isolate and identify the potential endophytic fungi from Moringa oleifera, a traditional medicinal plant. Based on the macroscopic & microscopic features the fungal isolates were identified as Alternaria spp., Aspergillus spp. Bipolaris spp., Exosphiala spp., Nigrospora spp., and Penicillium spp. "

There may be more about the interactions of Moringa, bacteria and fungi that we have yet to discover.  In any case, leaf litter from the tree will decay and the proteins will revert to nitrogen in the soil.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: anaphylactic shock from yellowjackets
« on: August 21, 2019, 07:37:06 PM »
I thought it might be useful to mention that primatene inhaler is now available over the counter again and its only active ingredient is epinephrine.  I'm not saying that this would be a suitable or effective alternative, but it might be worth a try if the other option is to die.

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