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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overrated Tropical Fruits
« on: October 19, 2020, 03:51:52 PM »
As others have said, this is subjective and it is best if you can try them yourself.  It is no great consolation if most people like something but you don't.  Someone mentioned rainforest plum above.  One of my trees bore for the first time this year.  I ate a few off the tree and I thought it was quite nice, there was a grapey element (including a bit of that foxy element like a concord) but had other fruit notes as well.  I picked a bunch to share with my wife and they sat on the counter for 6-8 hours.  When we had them together, the foxiness was much more pronounced, other flavors lessened, and astringency seemed more noticeable.  I don't know if this is a result of sitting for a few hours but I can think of no other explanation.  It went from very nice in my book to pretty unremarkable.  I'll have to revisit this in the future.

Someone also mentioned mamey sapote above.  This is not one of my favorites out of hand but I challenge you to find a tastier ice cream than mamey ice cream.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Syzygium alliligneum
« on: October 19, 2020, 03:24:13 PM »
Hey Mike, how big (high) do these have to get to start to fruit?  I've got a couple (thanks to you!) planted out and the larger is maybe 10'.  I found one of these seedlings to be totally unaffected by our eugenia blight here but the other was set back severely by it for a bit but has recovered  somewhat (it doesn't affect all Myrtaceae but the local rose apples here all have severe cases and cedar bay cherries seem to be hard hit as well).

Any idea about how many years to flowering?  I'll be interested in hearing reports on the flavor, I've got a few seedlings.  The flowers are really impressive so, if for nothing else, I can find room for them for that.


Tropical Fruit Online Library / Re: 1986 Species of Amazonian flora
« on: September 13, 2020, 04:00:39 PM »
Thanks for posting this.  I usually find checklists to be annoying as they often just list species found somewhere without any information about the species.  However, this one looks like they have the intent of eventually entering content about the various species.  It could be pretty useful if they do that.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A Star is borne
« on: September 09, 2020, 01:54:58 AM »
It is amazing with all the wonderful fruits you are always coming up with, Mike.  Those are pretty impressive starapples!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A successful mulberry to jackfruit graft
« on: September 04, 2020, 03:27:23 PM »
It's not too uncommon to do this type of grafting with temperate fruit trees & ornamentals (with other members of the same broad family).  As beicadad mentioned, apple to hawthorn is one which is reported to work (which obviously didn't for him).  Another is mountain ash to pear.  I had one of these grafts survive many years with fine growth, flowering, and fruiting.  After maybe 8 years or so, the tree just snapped off at the graft union, where it had obviously never really made a sound union from an "engineering" standpoint but seemed to horticulturally up to that point.  So I'd wait a good many years before assuming it is really a success.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID Please
« on: September 04, 2020, 02:31:42 PM »
The Meiogyne sounds like a plausible guess, Adam at FFF has supplied a lot of seeds & plants in FL.  Hopefully he will see this & chime in.  You could also try a google search on the group for Meiogyne / fingersop, I'm sure there are posts regarding it.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yellow pulusan
« on: September 03, 2020, 01:17:30 PM »
Hi John,  the fruit is not really free stone which seems kind of typical with pulusan compared to freestone rambutan.  The flavor is good.
No, freestone pulasan seems to be more uncommon.  We had a tasting of some superior dark red/maroon/black pulasan here at the USDA in Hilo a few years back.  I believe there were maybe 4 different selections, all were big with great flavor and most were freestone or nearly so.  The director at the time was considering releasing some of these to cultivation but he is gone and evidently so is the planned release(?).

Sounds like your yellow is a winner regardless.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yellow pulusan
« on: September 03, 2020, 12:33:20 PM »
It looks like you've found a really interesting pulasan, Peter.  The color sure is unique.  Sounds like the flavor is really nice, is the fruit freestone or clingstone (or something in between)? 


Thanks, Mike, it looks like a great doc.  It is going to take a while to wade through it & absorb all the info.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Byrsonima lucida
« on: September 01, 2020, 01:04:13 AM »
Hi Mike,

Hope you are doing well.  I haven't heard any taste reports for lucida.  I have a verbacifolia that has been bearing for a couple of years or so.  I think Helton described it as delicious.  Typically, the fruit goes from hard & green to ... gone (I've never seen a bird in the bush but I suspect it must be birds).  I've been able to try some with just a hint of yellow but they have still been hard & unpleasant (astringent if I recall correctly).

I've gotten nance seeds a couple of times and never got any germination.  I got the verbacifolia seeds years ago from Brazil and only one of those germinated so I don't know if they are typically tough to germinate but they have been for me (although I suspect they germinate much better after passing through a bird's GI tract).


What?  No Moreton Bay bugs on the barbie???  I know, you love prawns but what's love got to do with it?  Nice to see you back posting prolifically, Mike.  It will be good to be seeing your sage advice again.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, Jake.



It looks like many of these are Cerrado species.  Would any grow in areas with wetter, more uniform rainfall?  What is Maltese Annona?  I can't seem to find any information on it.
I have success, you can read my experience post

I had seen your earlier post.  Germinating the seeds is not the issue.  It is whether the plants will survive long term (for years, to maturity) in another environment with more uniform rainfall.  I have had some Cerrado plants survive for a year or two, sometimes maybe a little more, but eventually die.  Of course, some will die much quicker.

Hello my dear, let me know how many seeds of each species you intend to buy, and the full address so I can calculate the shipping cost for sending the seeds.
We have the following species:
Annona spinesces $ 3.00 each
Annona vepretorum $ 3.00 each
Annona coriacea $ 3.00 each
Annona dioica $ 3.00 each
Annona salzmanii $ 2.00 each
Annona crassiflora $ 1.50 each
Maltese Annona $ 1.50 each.

Thank you

It looks like many of these are Cerrado species.  Would any grow in areas with wetter, more uniform rainfall?  What is Maltese Annona?  I can't seem to find any information on it.

I have confirmed with Dr. Onana at the University of Yaounde (author of the revision of African Dacryodes that appears in the library section here) that D. microphylla does not exist as a validly published species nor as a synonym for another species.  He does indicate that D. macrophylla is now present in the markets in Yaounde and suggests that, as MS suggests, pictures of the fruit or, preferably the fruit & leaves,  would clear up what you are offering.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Pili nut!
« on: August 10, 2020, 03:12:23 PM »
You probably want to make sure to plant a few trees.  Pili nut is dioecious (male & female on separate plants).  (I hate to bring this up, since someone always seems to know of a tree somewhere that is self-fruiting.  However, I would hate to plant one tree and find it never fruits so I wanted to bring this to your attention.)

John Mood had been a big proponent of pili nut and probably was responsible for a lot of interest in it here.  However, a few years back, HTFG has a guest speaker in from Africa (Paul Noren) and we got a private tour of the Hilo USDA facility.  We tried C. harveyi and we both felt it was at least as good, probably better, than pili and was very heavy bearing.  If you request pili nut seed from them, maybe you should also request the harveyi as well (and, yes, harveyi is also dioecious).


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Luc's Garcinia Pumpkin type
« on: July 26, 2020, 01:02:02 PM »

Very nice, I hope mine arrive that nicely or at all. My tracking number never even worked.

My tracking number didn't work either (USPS said it was delivered last year) but I eventually got mine, in good condition.

Congrats! A couple questions, how old is your tree and do you only have one? Reason I ask is because I have one on my property but was wondering if I should put a couple more. Thanks!


It would probably be prudent to try the fruit before you plant more.  The smell of the fruit can be pretty assertive so it is not for everyone.  I've got a couple; it was probably about 5 years to bear in the Hilo area.

Exciting day today! The long awaited moment came. Finally got to get a real taste of Luc's Mexican garcinia. Also picked a bunch of Whitman fibreless soursops, (Different post on that one later.) The garcinia was surprising, very different than any other garcinia i've tasted, especially the texture, which is very soft and melting. The taste is very pleasant, Different depending at what stage you eat it. If you eat it totally soft, and starting to wrinkle, the taste is totally sweet, kind of like apple sauce. If you eat it ripe, but still hard it tastes like apple sauce with some lemon juice mixed in. It has an unusual fragrance and taste a bit hard for me to describe, but pleasant. The fruits look from afar like a yellow lilikoi, yellow Passiflora edulis. They even wrinkle when ripe like lilikois. It doesn't taste anything like the achachairu, which is kind of what i was expecting, because everyone compares it to achachairu. But the fruit is really more like Garcinia xanthochymus in texture, soft and melting, but not at all tart, and so more pleasant to eat out of hand. The rind is very thin and edible, but i found it too tough to eat and a little bit bitter. It's much more pleasant to eat this fruit without the rind in my opinion. The seeds are large, but not at all bothersome because there is still plenty to eat and they separate very easily from the pulp, unlike the achachairu.

Congrats on finally getting these to fruit for you, Oscar.  Does this change your opinion on fruiting them in our climate?  (Do you think you just got lucky with the weather during flowering or perhaps does the tree have to attain a certain mass to hold fruit?)


Sounds good PC, thanks for posting.  I'll have to give it a try.  Just curious, did you deep fry them like french fries or pan fry like hash browns?


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Davidson plums
« on: June 22, 2020, 10:07:18 PM »
I think I just noticed that Oscar at Fruitlover's has them in stock.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What do you use to label plants?
« on: June 15, 2020, 10:59:07 PM »

How many labels have you made? I am concerned about durability of the embosser if I were to shell out that much for a tool, would be pissed if it broke


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What do you use to label plants?
« on: June 15, 2020, 08:11:41 PM »
I posted about this before.  It depends how many you are doing to see if it would be worth the expense but using a Dymo Rhino with metal tape works great.  The attached thread describes how I attach them to PVC pipe (as stakes).  It has been holding up for years with no issues & is as legible as the day I made them.  An added plus is that the PVC pipe gets easily destroyed by a bush hog or lawn tractor without any damage to the mowing machine if some idiot rides over them while mowing (which wouldn't be the case if you used something like rebar for the stake).  If you opt to use this method, spend a little more & use SS screws (reg screws sure don't last well in HI). 


I have not yet had a chance to try it so I cannot comment personally, but some compare one of the New World Garcinias (used to be Rheedia) to mangosteen.  This species is still not officially described but has been talked about a lot here and is generally referred to as lemoncillo or Luc's garcinia.  It is from Mexico.  One of Luc's countrymen, Raul, has recently had an ad for it:

If you do a search, you'll find more info on it.  It requires much less heat than mangosteen to grow well.


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