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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango Espalier
« on: April 12, 2015, 11:16:29 PM »
I found this picture on line. I know that espalier as an horticultural method is particularly popular with apples, pears and I believe stone fruit. But I did not know it would be possible with mangoes.

I am thinking of giving it a try along the south fence on my property. The alley between me and my neighbor is paved on both sides with the exception of a long narrow strip of dirt (on my side) that is approximately 2 foot wide and 40 foot long running along the entire property. I could start with pickering, rosigold, carry and Neelam. All smaller, more manageable varieties

Has any of you attempted anything similar? What do you guys think?

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Espalier (/ɨˈspælɪər/ or /ɨˈspæli.eɪ/) is the horticultural and ancient agricultural practice of controlling woody plant growth for the production of fruit, by pruning and tying branches to a frame, frequently in formal patterns, flat against a structure such as a wall, fence, or trellis, and also plants which have been shaped in this wa


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Hi everyone – I thought to share with the community my recent experience with a Sweetheart lychee in Miami Beach as a backyard grower hoping that it may be useful to other fellow growers who were frustrated – like me – with this tree finicky behavior especially considering the scant information on this newly introduced variety.

I bought this specimen at PIN 3.5 years ago and it grew to become a beautiful and healthy 8 foot tall tree with a full round canopy. As the tree never bloomed I thought to reach out to 2 other backyard growers in my neighborhood and listen to their experience.  Feedback was not very encouraging. Their trees - both over 15 years old - never bloomed with 1 exception – 2010 – when a more serious cold front hit Miami and the Beach. That year they had a bumper crop. Nothing since then.

The Beach is a more difficult growing environment for lychees due to the difficulty of getting sufficient chill hours. It is common knowledge that the Beach is consistently warmer than Miami due to its  exposure to both the Ocean and the bay which act as insulators.

As a last resort I decided to follow lycheesonline recommendations and see whether I could bring the tree to bloom through human intervention. Here is what I did. 1) Stopped fertilizing the tree in July. 2) Pruned in August. 3) Girdled in October. The weather helped too with a colder winter.

The tree is now blooming. And this may not sound like big news considering this year’s weather. What I found relevant is that only and exclusively the canopy impacted by girdling is developing panicles. I counted 19 of them. The rest of the tree does not have a single panicle.


Lycheesonline reports:  “Don't be surprised when the girdled branch(s) is loaded with fruit and the rest of the tree fruits lightly. The fruiting of the non-girdled branch is typical of what the tree would have produced had you not girdled the tree at all”. This means that without girdling my tree would not have bloomed at all.

I must conclude that in my case girdling was not just a bloom booster, as many articles report, but rather the critical step to trigger blooming.

This said I doubt girdling would be able to induce blooming with average temp of 70F. But in borderline situations - meaning when you get close to the chill requirement but not quite - girdling may be able to give your tree the extra boost to do just that.

Now I know that even with 55 average temp in February (this is the reported temp in Miami Beach for this month) my Sweetheart would not bloom (unless I girdle it). Whereas Mauritius - based on my Neighbor’s experience in 2010 - would bloom without human intervention. So Sweetheart appears to be less reliable than Mauritius based on this specific comparison (which is however only 1 data point and therefore far from being conclusive). Being my tree only 3.5 I realize there may be a juvenile factor to be considered and as the tree matures it may be able to bloom in conjunction with slightly higher temperatures.

My Neighbor’s tree, a large Mauritius – see third picture - is blooming too this year (the way it did in 2010 without any human intervention). He is in the ice business and this year, for the first time, has applied 100 pounds of ice daily for 14 days in a row. I do not think we can draw a clear conclusion on the efficacy of ice applications. There is research out there suggesting that cooling roots only is not sufficient. Besides Mauritius is described as a more reliable variety for south east Florida. If you add to that the fact that we had a cooler winter on the Beach this year than we did in 2010 I think it is reasonable to think that it would have bloomed no matter what. Below I report the average temperatures in Miami Beach in the last 6 years.

                  Nov   Dec   Jan   Feb
season 2009   71   70   67   66
season 2010   75   72   60   62
season 2011   73   60   66   70
season 2012   75   73   69   72
season 2013   72   73   74   72
season 2014   76   70   67   73
season 2015   72   70   70   55








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Hello gang - Bought a MAI3 and a Dang Suria 1 year back. They were tiny and weak. Started growing fast as soon as transplanted, especially the Dang Suria. Then little by little it started declining.

Leaves do not develop well, they stay small and light in color. See the pic below. I provide the Dang Suria with the same care that my MAI3 receives. With the difference that the latter is thriving and the former declining. I am puzzled

I water weekly unless it rains and fertilize lightly (stopped a few weeks back). Growth is stunted. Could it be nematodes? Any idea out there?

Thanks a bunch for any help.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Overpowering mango variety
« on: July 22, 2014, 11:51:23 PM »
have space for one more mango tree and although I have read many threads on mango variety recommendations none got me the piece of information I was looking for:

I would like a mango that taste-wise is far and away from the varieties I already have: Glenn, Mallika and Kent.

I am looking for something that is overpowering and super spicy (regardless whether you personally like it or not). Most likely an Indian variety I would assume...

I wish I could try them before hand but non commercial varieties are difficult to come by so I will have to rely solely on your input. What do you guys recommend?

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Healthy and growing super fast! Private me if interested

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3 years back I planted a lychee and a longan here in Miami beach. They both have grown beautifully. The Lychee tree is already exceeding  6 feet in height with a very dense canopy. I met a neighbor who has had a tree for 15 years. It fruited only once due to very mild winter temperatures in this area. So here is my plan: I will prune it in September and girdle it in October as Lychees online recommends. if it doesn't fruit it is gone!

Question. Are longan easier to set fruit? I have read the spraying them with a bleach solution may help blooming. So I will try that. If it does not work that is gone too!

Any luck with Lychee and longan on the beach? thanks for any feedback. Also I am taking applications from people who would love to adopt them.

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