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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / SoCal mango trees for sale
« on: May 23, 2020, 11:57:54 PM »
I have a few mango trees for sale that are grafted onto California grown and vetted mango seedlings. I grow my seedlings outdoors unprotected through at least one Winter to vet them. Some seedlings are just weak and grow too slowly or succumb to disease or the cold of Winter. I only keep the strongest and most vigorous to use as rootstocks.

Some of these grafted trees are part of my experiments with different rootstocks so it would be great if you can report back every once in a while with a status update.

First tree is a CAC/COC tree grafted onto White Pirie seedling for $100

Second tree is Orange Essence grafted onto Fruit Cocktail seedling for $100

Third tree is Sweet Tart grafted onto Fruit Cocktail seedling for $100. Here it is holding fruit and after panicles removed.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best tasting fig for SoCal?
« on: April 27, 2020, 01:28:21 PM »
I recently got interested in figs and was wondering what are the best tasting varieties to grow in SoCal?

I am relatively new to figs and know very little about the different varieties available. I do know that there are several different flavor categories such as the berry tasting, honey, caramel, etc...

I like super sweet figs and will probably bag the fruit from fruit flies so I prefer larger figs so that I donít have to bag as many.

I currently have VDB, Black Mission, Brown Turkey, Black Madeira on Brown Turkey, Yellow Longneck and Golden Rainbow.

What varieties will produce the sweetest and best tasting figs around the San Diego area? I know everyone has a unique palate but I would love to hear about your favorite varieties for each flavor category. Any pictures of the fruit, especially the inside, would be greatly appreciated.

Here are my newest plants
Yellow Longneck

Golden Rainbow


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for these top fig trees
« on: April 24, 2020, 03:46:04 PM »
Anyone know where I can get these following varieties:
1) Col De Dame(CDD) Gris ( Baud)
2) Bens Golden Riverside
3) Long Yellow
4) Golden Rainbow

I just picked up a Yellow Longneck from Wellspring garden. I donít know much about figs and Iíve read some of these yellow cigs listed above may be the same variety but I believe the Golden Rainbow is different because it has the red inside.

Iím looking rooted trees and not cuttings. Thanks in advance!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Leo Hybrid #3
« on: April 10, 2020, 06:19:29 PM »
Whomever contacted Leo Manuel to request scions from his Leo Hybrid #3 tree, please contact him and cancel or postpone your request until the COVID 19 situation has blown over.

Everyone should be thoughtful in these crazy times and please try to avoid contact with elderly folks or requesting the elderly to go out, especially in the rain to harvest scions. The Leo #3 Hybrid tree is next to a small drop off of about 4-5 feet and it is extremely slippery out on Leoís hill.

Leo has difficulty walking and even if he were able to harvest the scions in between the rain showers, he could potentially get infected when dropping the package off at the post office.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Helping friend find good green eating mango
« on: November 17, 2019, 03:37:24 PM »
Iím trying to help my friend find a good variety of mango that is meant to be eaten in the green crunchy stage. My friend lives in Southern California and he wants to grow a variety that is sour when eaten in the green crunchy stage. I know of several varieties that are sweet in the green crunchy stage but my friend wants it sour.

He is looking for a variety that is productive and is resistant to Powdery Mildew. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / What kind of fruit tree is this?
« on: October 22, 2019, 09:40:05 PM »
A good friend of mine moved to Hawaii a few years ago and ate a fruit and planted the seed. The seed sprouted but she doesnít know what fruit it came from. Does anyone know what kind of fruit tree this is. Please see attached pictures of the seedling and the seed. Thanks in advance!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« on: October 11, 2019, 12:17:58 AM »
We had our annual mango tasting event today at Frankís momís place and everyone had a blast. There were at least 52 different varieties of Mangos, Annonas, Sapodillas, Dragonfruit, Pomegranates, Asian Pears, Pineapple Pear, Passionfruit, Canistel(Eggfruit), White Sapote, Avocados and even a Watermelon.

One of the main contributors of Mangos couldnít make it last minute, otherwise there would be even more varieties to sample. We were so stuffed from all the Mangos that we didnít, or couldnít find room to sample many of the other fruit.

Here is a link to the last mango tasting for reference:

First of all, I want to give a big shout out to Frank and his awesome mother for hosting this event. It takes a lot of planning and work to harvest all these Mangos and try to get them to be perfectly ripe in time for this event. I know that some of the contributors had to use heat mats to try to force ripen these fruit and some of the fruit had to be refrigerated in order to prevent them from over ripening for this tasting.

Franks mom is a sweetheart and always has a smile on her face. She treats everyone like family and welcomed everyone into her home with open arms. Frank definitely won the lottery with his mom.

Iíll post a few pictures tonight and then add more information and flavor descriptions as I have time.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / How to increase yield on Lemon Zest Mango?
« on: September 06, 2019, 08:04:49 PM »

Lemon Zest is one of my all time favorite Mango varieties but my young trees set very few fruit. This picture above is a Lemon Zest tree grown in Palm Springs California by Gary and as you can see, his tree consistently sets good amounts of fruit, he probably had 60+ fruit this year.

I would like to gather information from members that grow Lemon Zest in hopes that we can come up with a strategy to improve yields for this excellent tasting variety.

I know that in hot and dry Palm Springs, Powdery Mildew and other fungal diseases are not an issue and this is likely why Gary gets such good yields from his tree.

Over the years, I have harvested a few fruit here and there from my various LZ trees but Iíve never harvested more than 3 fruit per tree( excluding nubbins) from any one tree in a given year. I do not spray my trees with Fungicide unless they have an obvious fungal infection but I will probably start a fungicide spray regimen in hopes of increasing yields.

I know that in some locations in Southern California, fungal diseases are not as much of an issue and in those counties, LZ probably has a decent to good yield.

I would like to hear if anyone has successfully increased yields for their LZ trees wether you are in Florida, SoCal or some other location. Iím especially interested to hear from individuals that initially had low or no yield and then saw a significant increase in yield after they started a Fungicide regimen or alternative method to increase yield.

I have heard from two growers that say their trees started setting and holding significantly more fruit after their trees reached a large size.

My tree set a good amount of fruit this year and last year but most the fruit dropped at around 2 inches in length which coincided with an increase in temperatures.

As soon as the fruit dropped from my trees, my tree exploded with vegetative growth. Iím wondering if I can decrease fruit drop by slightly backing off on watering. I already back off on Nitrogen pre bloom.

Any observations or comments are greatly appreciated.


I came upon this article that discusses the effect of interstocks on specific vigorous cultivars of Mangos. Note that the interstock decreases the vigor of specific varieties but not others. This may be useful for growers that want to keep a mango smaller but some experimentation will be required unless you use the varieties discussed in the article.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Nam Doc Mai Mangos in SoCal
« on: July 18, 2019, 06:35:30 PM »
Commercially grown Nam Doc Mai Mangos from Mexico are available in San Diego. They can be found at Lucky Seafood and Seafood City in Mira Mesa for about $31 per box of 9 Mangos. They are good sized and appear to have been picked at the proper stage of ripeness.

One friend bought a box several weeks ago and reported the Mangos were sweet and great tasting.

Iím posting this because I have found NDM seedlings to be very vigorous when grown in SoCal. For anyone growing Mangos in SoCal, here is your chance to get some good fruit and also acquire some good vigorous seedlings to either grow out to fruition or for use as rootstocks.

Because NDM is Polyembryonic, you can get a clone and not have to worry about grafting. If you want to select a clone, I would recommend you grow out at least two seedlings from the same seed ensuring they each have their own separate root system.

Here are a couple pictures of the box I just picked up


Tropical Fruit Discussion / What type of fruit tree is this?
« on: July 04, 2019, 12:44:22 AM »
One of my friends was super excited about a special tree his aunt has and he asked me if I could put on some air layers for them. The tree is growing in San Diego and my friend says itís a Langsat/Langzat. I know nothing about Langsats so I googled some pictures and YouTubed some videos and the leaves of Langsats appear different than the leaves from my friends tree. Does anyone know what type of fruit this is?

Hereís some pictures of the leaves and flowers.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / A couple new toys for the garden
« on: June 28, 2019, 10:09:11 PM »
I finally got tired of spraying my trees with a backpack pump sprayer so I decided to purchase a relatively cheap electric fogger. I found it extremely difficult to spray larger trees with thick canopies, it was especially difficult to spray the under sides of the leaves. Iím hoping that the fog created by this fogger will more easily penetrate into the canopy and coat the undersides of the leaves.

Hereís a YouTube video

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Funny post grafting video-buddytape
« on: June 21, 2019, 04:09:46 PM »
I stumbled across this funny video last night. You have to watch the whole thing, the credits are funny. Good use of buddytape.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Modified bark graft for Mango
« on: May 26, 2019, 07:53:38 PM »
Iíve been doing a lot of bark grafts lately and I found that the regular bark graft often leaves a large gap which takes a long time to fully heal.

Here is a typical bark graft video

When I do a bark graft like that, it is difficult for me to make the parallel cuts to the bark of the rootstock so that the cut perfectly matches the width of the scion.

Here is a Sweet Tart scion I bark grafted onto a two year old seedling using the regular bark graft as shown in the video above.

For my modified bark graft technique, I perform the graft the same as in the video except I make the the two parallel cuts wider than the width of the scion. This will ensure that the bark i peel back is wide enough to cover the entire cut ends of the scion.

After you make the oversized cut, you insert the scion and match one end of the bark flap so that it completely covers the cut end of the scion. You then take your blade and make an additional vertical cut that follows the contour of the other cut end of the scion.

By doing this, you can precisely match the bark flap to the size of the scion leaving as small a gap as possible between the bark flap and the bark from the rootstock.

Here is a picture after I made the additional cut following the contour of the scion.

Now you can tuck the extra sliver of bark next to the bark of the rootstock. If you wrap it carefully, the extra sliver you cut is hardly noticeable, especially after it heals.

Here is a double bark graft I did last year using this technique. If the rootstock is large enough, I sometimes put two or three scions onto the tree in the hopes that at least one will take. Now that Iím getting better with this technique, I will only put one or two because this technique has a high rate of success for me. The bark does have to be slipping to do bark grafts.

I couldnít decide if I wanted this branch to be Sweet Tart or Lemon Zest so I put on one of each variety. Since they both took, I will probably remove the Lemon Zest since I have several LZ trees already.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Learn to graft by volunteering
« on: May 11, 2019, 12:44:02 AM »
I was over at Leo Manuelís house today helping him top work one of his trees to Sweet Tart and I thought to myself how lucky I was to have the opportunity to practice and perfect my skills on his older Mango trees. I donít have any large mango trees yet so most my practice bark grafting larger trees comes from volunteering for my more senior friends that can either no longer graft or that donít know how to graft.

As with any specialized skill, practice makes perfect and all the practice I get helping Leo and others top working their mature trees will help enable me to graft with more confidence when my trees finally reach adulthood.

I think of it like helping your friend to build a deck or remodel a home. Thereís some sweat involved but when itís time to do your house, yard or whatever project, it will be that much easier.

It is also very rewarding to hear stories about how my senior friends lived in their younger lives. Leo used to be a commercial Abalone diver and I love the ocean and spend much of my spare time spearfishing and diving for lobsters or just fishing on my buddies boat.  Leo also used to raise Coturnix Quail and I spent several years breeding Jumbo Coturnix Quails.

Anyways, get out there and help your neighbors and friends to share the joy of gardening. You might learn something new about gardening or about your friend. You might also walk away with a basket of fruit if youíre lucky!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Root grafting mango video
« on: May 08, 2019, 11:33:24 PM »
Here is a link to a good video on grafting a young mango root onto a larger branch of a mature tree.

There are other videos out there showing grafting of multiple larger roots onto much larger trees on YouTube.

This simple technique may be useful for saving a tree with damage to its roots. It can also be useful for Bonsai or a slight modification to this technique may help with repair grafts.

Grafting Examples has some great videos out there.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best tasting Mangos of 2019
« on: April 21, 2019, 03:49:52 PM »
To continue the annual tradition, please post about your favorite tasting mango varieties for 2019. I see that Chris from Truly Tropical has already started posting videos from this years crop. Here is a link to last years thread.

Last year, one of my favorite tasting mango varieties was Rajapuri grown in India. I purchased these at the local Indian Supermarket and they were fantastic last year. The Mangos were huge and extremely flavorful with a sweet, rich taste throughout the flesh and concentrated Piney, Indian resin flavors closer to the skin of the fruit. What made Rajapuri so exceptional was that it had an indescribable sweet umami flavor that I can only compare to the flavor of Guava.

This year, I picked up a box of Rajapuri and was surprised to see that they had 9 fruit to a box. Last year, there were only 4-6 in an oversized box. This years fruit was significantly smaller. My Mangos were sitting in a warm garage for about a week and some of the fruit started giving off a sweet mango flavor and felt slightly soft so I cut one open.

The flesh color was more yellowish and from the looks alone, I could tell it was underripe. The fruit had Brix readings between 14-16% and were definitely not in their prime of ripeness. The flavor and sweetness were sort of their but definitely not at their best. The early season Indian Mangos(grown in India) tend to be picked early and watered  down so I was not expecting much from them.

This goes to show how drastically Mangos of the same variety can taste so different when you compare early season fruit to mid or late season fruit. Hereís a couple pictures


Here is a great article I found that discusses the use of Copper as a Fungicide/Biocide. It talks about the different Copper formulations and gives the pros and cons.

Please feel free to post comments, additional articles regarding use of fungicides or personal experiences using the various Copper products out there.

I am personally considering the purchase of Magnabon CS2005 but it is extremely expensive and I am looking for an alternative that might have similar systemic activity.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2019 Indian Mango Season
« on: April 13, 2019, 09:11:08 PM »
A good friend just called me up and notified me that the local Indian supermarkets have their shipment of Indian Mangos in.

Here is a thread from last year.

From past experience, I know that the early Mangos are usually not in their prime but I decided to buy anyways. They had three varieties available. Alphonso was 37.99 a box, Banganpalli was 34.99 a box and Rajapuri was 34.99 a box.

I bought a box of Rajapuri. When they opened up the box, the Mangos were all green and relatively small considering that Rajapuri is a large mango that can get over a pound each.

The early Mangos are usually about 70-80% of their prime so Iím not expecting to be wowed by these fruit but Iím glad the Indian Mango season has begun


There is a thread for most reliable Mango varieties for Southern California so I decided to create a thread for least reliable Mango varieties for SoCal as well.

One of the most notorious varieties for being stingy or not fruiting at all in some years is Lemon Zest. Due to its high susceptibility fungal diseases like Powdery Mildew, flower panicles get infected and dry out. Without a spraying regimen, you will likely get low or zero yield from this variety, at least for those living In areas where temperature and humidity favor PM.

Pim Seng Mun performs really poorly on Leoís tree. Leo has a large section of PSM that has been growing well for many years but hardly ever sets fruit. This varieties flower panicles are also highly susceptible to Powdery Mildew.

Alphonso will set fruit without spraying in some years but there is very little fruit set. The fruit that is set can get spongy tissue and also jelly seed. I highly recommend against planting this variety in SoCal.

Please add any varieties that have performed poorly for you in terms of fruit set and holding fruit to maturity.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:25:14 PM »
Here are some pictures of blooming mango trees from my friends yard in SoCal.

Sweet Tart on Manilla rootstock

Sweet Tart on Florida rootstock. The white strings in the picture are used to hold the branches upright to prevent droopiness


I want to start this thread to begin tracking the performance of the top tier Mangos varieties when grown in SoCal. Any information from growers in other Mango growing regions would be greatly appreciated. Varieties that are highly disease resistant in one mango growing region may be a good indicator that they could potentially be a good reliable producer in SoCal although we know this is not necessarily true in many instances.

I will include a few varieties that are not necessarily top tier in everyoneís ratings but some people love these varieties and they are very common in the nurseries so I will include them here.

So far, here is a short list of varieties that taste good and are reliable in SoCal:

Leo 2
Leo Z
Sweet Tart
Maha Chanok
Valencia Pride
Villa Clara
Ugly Betty
Juicy Peach
Imam Passand
Coconut Cream
Honey Kiss
Peach cobbler
Cotton Candy
Leo Keitt Seedling

 There are a lot more that I canít remember right now but I just want to get this topic started.

If you are growing a good tasting variety and you notice it produces reliably for you, please post here so that we can compare it to how it performs for others in SoCal.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Gigantea Sapodilla tree
« on: March 15, 2019, 09:28:41 PM »
Iím looking for a Gigantea Sapodilla tree. If you have one for sale and can ship, please contact me. Thanks,


Citrus General Discussion / Shiranui too large for branches
« on: January 22, 2019, 07:52:29 PM »
the Last couple of days have been pretty windy and I just got home from work and noticed that two branches of my  Shiranui(Dekopon) were snapped in half. Iíve noticed that Shiranui, like most tangerines, tend to hold too many fruit on their branches. I thought I was smart and thinned about 70% of the fruit when they were about marble size but that just made the remaining fruit bigger. My larger fruit are as big, if not bigger than the store bought Premium Dekopon fruit. My largest weighed about 1 lbs 2 Oz.

Anyone else have issues with their Shiranui grafts? The fruit were already colored up but I was hoping to let them hang a bit longer to sweeten up more. I just cut open a smaller fruit to take a Brix reading and it came in at 14% Brix.

Without curing the fruit, the flavor was good with good sweetness and an acidity similar to an Orange. I will cure some of the fruit in my garage for 1-3 weeks in order to let the citric/ascorbic acid mellow to see if flavor improves.  Here are some pictures of the fruit harvested from the branches that snapped off.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Giant Cherimoyas
« on: January 08, 2019, 07:51:19 PM »
I just found this giant Cherimoya under my tree. I put it on the scale and it weighed 2 lbs. 5 Oz. I know there are much bigger Cherimoyas out there but this is a pretty big fruit considering how much fruit I let my tree hold this year and the last couple years.

You get a better idea of how big it is with the jumbo chicken egg next to it.

I looked around the tree and found several other big Moyas in the 1.5-2.5lbs range.


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