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Love this thread guys, I have been sprouting the seeds I get my hands on from store bought and friends trees and really enjoy looking at the leaf variation, Iíll try to get a picture this weekend when itís sunny. I found this read on avo leaves which you may like and find interesting.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grumichamma flowering!
« on: February 18, 2021, 08:50:31 PM »
 Nice! From a previous thread on here I read you increase your chances of fruit if they get lots of water when flowering, fortunately itís been raining like crazy. Is it true the flowers smell like bacon?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugarloaf/E4 Thread
« on: February 17, 2021, 08:33:21 PM »

Mines just a baby, its flowering but gonna clip them and let it grow faster, top 3 mango for me👍


Thanks for bringing this up, Iíve had this problem for a while now and thought it was just my email, but looks like itís a wider spanning issue.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Excalibur chempadek
« on: February 09, 2021, 11:19:43 PM »
....yes Iím going to plant them out in yard later this summer. Out of the 40 seedlings I started, I maybe have ten left. As you noted ďthe brittle leavesĒchemp is not as durable and hardy as jack when it comes to drought tolerance, there were a few days where it got really hot and completely dried out in the pots where I forgot to water and I couldnít revive them...also rabbits freaking love young artocarpus shoots and mowed some down! 🤯🤯


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Excalibur chempadek
« on: February 08, 2021, 09:58:16 PM »
Hey Josh,

Glad to hear that you were able to successfully graft chemp onto jack, as jack rootstock so plentiful now that even Publix is stocking them. Wanted to share some pics of the seedlings Iím growing, purchased these seeds from maryoto (if I remember correctly) from Borneo and the chempedak is definitely the hairy one, meanwhile this other one is like jack x chemp cross and has leaf characteristics like chemp but the non hairyness of jack.

Here is a reference you might be interested is as well, seems there is some variation amongst samples the authors identified based on interbreeding with wild chempedak (bangkong).


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Productivity of the NDM Mango Tree
« on: February 08, 2021, 09:31:31 PM »
Hi fellow Mango-obsessors,
Please share your experiences with the productivity of your NDM trees. I have a 3 year old grafted NDM, the non-dwarf variety. Maybe itís called ďsia tongĒ.. everything I have in ground is in full bloom, except my 6.5x4 ft NDM. Are they usually later to start producing? Are they very productive early, or when more mature? Iím in the Miami, Fl area. Thanks so much

Hey HA,

In my experience, I have seen that my mango trees donít always flower in the same order every year. Generally trees are early, mid, late, while this can vary and some trees have multiple blooms. For ex this year my lemon zest is pushing flowers now, while last year it was first to flower among others I grow. Why this is the case, I wonder if it has to do with when I pruned the trees possibly, or fertilized, Iím not sure. Iím also growing NDM and mine is very slow growing and compact (somewhere on the forum I posted pics of the tree holding three fruit at maybe 3ft tall). NDM is sweet and fiberless mango, though not too complex in flavor. My NDM has not flowered yet this year, but Itís tips are very swollen like itís on the verge of pushing bloom, I think soon. One thing, if you prune your tree too heavily it may skip a year or two in flowering, so be careful when pruning, try to tip prune. There is still time for your tree to push flowers, stay patient and keep the faith 👍


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Polar vortex heading to FL next week?
« on: February 06, 2021, 05:01:38 PM »
I live in palm city fl and on 2/3 I woke up to a thin sheet of ice on my windshield and lawns were covered in frost...low said 36 but must have been the microclimate and wind chill? 🤷‍♂️ Took a pic of the pedalai seedling today seems somewhat affected, 8 salak seedlings Iím growing are unfazed. I donít bother to cover anything just took much work.

I havenít mowed my lawn in almost two months and the grass is totally dormant love it LOL



Seems pretty awesome, but Iím not sure about purchasing from Colombia, just a thought but Iíd rather purchase them from you here in states than risk shipping from Colombia, could that be arranged?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Posh-Te on Soursop
« on: February 02, 2021, 12:33:54 AM »
Hey Noochka1

Glad you started this thread as I was planning on trying this exact combo this year. I think soursop might be a good compatibility as the poshte leaves seem like giant soursop leaves. I have two poshte trees 1 in a 7 gallon pot and another in the ground. Both had some significant die back when pruned and really scared me that I might lose them. Poshte is a rarity and took me almost a year to acquire them, I hope we are successful in this effort as it would be great to have some source for this rare fruit. 👍


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherilata taste test.
« on: January 14, 2021, 08:53:24 PM »
Yes I did hand pollinate, Iím not sure which pollen actually hit though because it was whatever I had at the time between sugar apple, Fernandez reticulata, dream atemoya, or itís own from other flowers on the tree. Itís still a young lanky tree so just getting the one fruit I am very happy to try looking forward to a hard pruning before spring to get some lateral branching going. Iím glad to have two trees in ground now, more flowers, more pollen to play around with crossing things this year. 

One thing I want to expound upon, is the ďphenolicĒ flavor that the reticulata parent imparts. I first read about this from reading the Australian custard apple breeding report. It is generally that flavor that you canít totally put your finger on but is present in reticulatas, and itís mostly not good. I attached a screen shot below on this distinction. In the case of the cherilata it is like a how ďresinĒ profile is to a mango. In some mangos you have this flavor almost like gasoline you get in a super julie or o-15, even super Alphonso that by itself would be nasty but when mixed in with sweet and some tartness it creates a pleasantly complex eating experience. Like tannin is to wine. In the cherilata I got that same experience.

Iím really excited because Iíve been collecting and planting a good amount of annonas last year in hopes that this season Iíll be able to run some interesting controlled crosses and this cherilata, has opened up new genetic avenues of flavor potential.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherilata taste test.
« on: January 14, 2021, 06:33:04 PM »

Picked my first and only cherilata this year today, ripe off the tree, stem pulled right out. I havenít had ever single atemoya, custard apple, cherimoya, or sugar apple, but of the ones Iíve eaten this is top notch. Seedy is the one draw back, but texture is firm to chewy, low grit, flavor has some tart and phenolic resin note, while mostly berry upfront. The flesh color beautiful. Seems since this is a reticulata x cherimoya a more apt name might be ďberries n creamĒ vs cherilata .....but thatís up to the breeder...,,my hats off to your mr painter.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2021 Lychee Season
« on: January 10, 2021, 01:24:16 PM »

Some blooms coming in on sweat heart now 😎


Hate to sound like a total quack but putting this out here because Iíve tried the copper and sulfur thing...

Take a small hand spray bottle ďzepĒ is a brand at Home Depot, put two ounces of honey in it and top off with water. Shake vigorously to mix, spray your panicles with it every couple days. 1) honey is natural antibacterial/anti fungal and 2) bees are attracted to this and you get bees involved and pollinating whereas bees are not normally involved in mango pollination.

Before calling me crazy though, spray your tree with whatever but spray a few panicles only with the honey water and see for yourself which panicles have the most clean fruit set👍



Good question,

Here is a cherilata I grafted onto soursop and itís in ground. Was thinking other day how odd this tree is of other annonas Iím growing as it hasnít started losing its leaves yet. This is n of 1 observation but itís doing great so far, had some brief high 30ís temps a couple weeks ago.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ackee Trees and Small Children and Pets
« on: January 02, 2021, 09:37:32 PM »
I wouldnít worry about it.....

Key point in understanding toxicology, medicine etc is that what determines a poison is the dose. I used to have a fellow friend in this hobby who was going to manage a commercial longan grove and also start a plant nursery and was looking for some ideas. I suggested adding ackee in the mix to target a niche market segment and they trees are hardy/easy to care for ect, his response was no way in hell would I want that toxic plant and liability on my property. Itís total irony that he said that because literally the same toxin thatís in ackee is in lychee and in longan ...seeds as they are in they soapberry family 🙈 Your brain thrives of glucose and turns out hypoglycin can cause a fatal hypoglycemia syndrome

Back to judging the risk of the ackee tree....there is risk but the young child would have to eat a good amount of uncooked ackee fruit particularly the seeds. Way I look at it is worry more about bufo toads in your yard with a dog vs ackee tree.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GMO Papaya/Solo Papayas in Florida
« on: January 02, 2021, 09:07:46 PM »
Hey Forum and happy new year!

Just wanted to do a post a post on this thread. Last year I bought seeds of ďsunriseĒ and ďwaimanolo x-77Ē from this website-> all in shipping etc like ~10$ an incredible deal! I planted them last year and just harvested and ate my first one today which is the sunrise. Some notes: my sunrise doesn't look like the sunrise I see in pics, it was delicious, me/wife/her aunt and uncle were surprised, this blew away the store bought musky papaya literally itís  ďtree cantaloupeĒ , I was under the impression they were supposed to be dwarf but they are in fact pretty tall, I didnít bag the fruit, no fertilizer, they grew like weeds without care or special watering. Looking forward to trying the waimanolo x-77 when they ripen. Plan on freezing the excess fruit as chunks for smoothies. Some pics:



Just got my order, 115$ for five fig cuttings, granted they are rare....but damn such lame packaging, really?! 🙈

Legit and fair feedback is at a bare minimum use a cheap flat rate box to ship, extra bonus points wrap cuttings/scions in buddy tape. 🤷‍♂️



Pictured is how I germinate hundreds of Annona seeds for my breeding program, each dome has 6x12 =72 seedling capability.

Search humidity dome greenhouse or some permutation of those words on Amazon and these pictured will pop up. Soak seeds in hydrogen peroxide for 24 hrs. Fill the trays with miracle grow potting soil, then lay seeds on top, then cover with a thin layer of more soil, donít compact the soil. Water soil with mist setting on hose to wet the soil, (mist setting because larger droplets will totally disturb the soil and you gotta start over rearranging the tiny trays). Cover with the lid and wait three weeks you should see some action. It is really that easy, best of luck.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A real jack-in-the-box
« on: December 12, 2020, 01:20:19 PM »
Yes....I need one too lol tree looks incredible!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Our first Lisa atemoyas
« on: December 12, 2020, 01:14:37 PM »
Those look great, congrats!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Salaks
« on: December 05, 2020, 11:43:15 PM »

 Any guesses here?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Salaks
« on: December 05, 2020, 10:02:27 PM »
From my readings the gist has been keep shaded when young, moist or wet mostly, and watch out for temps below 50. What I have done though is not entirely that, I have planted them in shaded areas as understory plants  though I havenít went out of my way to water them or protect them from cold weather.... I suspect they are hardy like any other palm in Fl in regards to temp and water but Iím going to find out one way or the other as time goes on.

I bought my seeds from Han sen here as ďhoney salakĒ anyone know if this this is the Bali type and monoecious?



Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee X Longon Hybrid?
« on: December 05, 2020, 09:50:20 PM »
Do a search.  There is absolutely nothing out there concerning a lychee/longan hybrid.  Don't you think that odd?  This would be the talk of the rare fruit world and publications out the ass.  Nada.  Zip.  Fiction.  Just as bsbully's BS.

Maybe its BS, I dont knowbut just 2 seconds of searching shows up some scientific publications

The breeding barriers between commercial litchi (Litchi chinensis Sonn.) and longan (Dimocarpus longan Lour.) cultivars were investigated by conducting reciprocal pollinations. This work has shown that it is possible to generate intergeneric hybrids using litchi as the female parent. Investigation of comparative in vivo pollen tube growth demonstrated that there is discrimination against cross- compared to self-pollen at all sites in the pistil. Pollen tubes were frequently observed in the ovary after cross-pollination in litchi but rarely in longan. Fruit production was reduced after crossing in both longan and litchi. Isozyme analysis using phosphoglucose isomerase revealed that hybrid progeny only developed when litchi was the maternal parent. Morphologically the hybrid plants were similar to the maternal parent but leaves were smaller. Three types of seeds developed in litchi following pollination with longan pollen. These were (1) normal seeds with a developed testa and embryo, (2) seeds with aborted embryos but normal testa development, and (3) seedless fruit where the ovule remained the same size as at anthesis without further development of embryo or testa. The potential germplasm available to improve these crops within the Sapindaceae is discussed."

Interesting brad and nice find....the two were crossed with litchi being mother parent and the hybrids had smaller leaves.....looking at that pic closer the leaves do look smaller....maybe itís legit.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nice Jack fruit very showy
« on: December 04, 2020, 10:00:15 PM »
There is also a white fleshed jackfruit, red is possible I suppose. Durians can get an array of colors.


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