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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to get Monstrea to fruit?
« on: March 25, 2019, 08:47:56 AM »
i agree with pineislander
logs at the base help keep the ground moist.
i use cardboard and woody mulch, and bits of rotted logs.

and unless you have rich soil i would add a bit of iron and epsom (or other magnesium)
it darkens the leaves , i use that combo on all plants with  a lot of shade.
and i doubt you would get fruit, or a decent plant in anything under 7-10 gal,
and it would need constant water

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gomera Mango Seeds Finally !
« on: December 08, 2018, 01:26:53 PM »
Hello everyone, if anyone has some seeds for any mango hardy to zone 9b, such as gomera 1, gomera 3 or 4, please send me a message. Of course I shall send you some money for the seeds and postage.
Currently I have a mango plant grown accidentally by a seed and it thrives, but during the winter I think that only the roots will survive, as it has happened another time with really tropical mangoes in my tiny garden.
Thank you!

i am in 9b and did some research a while back.
i looked at mango groves in India, and there are a few in Northern India which may be more cold tolerant.
i had even gotten seeds of 2-3 varieties, but this Jan we had a 100yr cold snap to 20F
it killed every mango except 1 in ground that had to come back from the roots.

i mentioned this in a couple of posts in this group,
so you might do a search for my name and cold tolerant mango
i list the name of varieties from India i thought were promising.

this is at least 1 post i mention the indian seed...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia florida
« on: December 08, 2018, 01:10:39 PM »
i have 3 from seed
1 in mostly shade, the other 2 in almost full sun.
the one in mostly shade leaves are a bit darker,
which is not unusual in my experience with most tropical fruit.
the leaves will utilize more iron and magnesium for darker leaves which photosynthesize more.

the new growth on the 2 in the sun are a bit pale and once in a while do get crispy.
they are in a raised bed, and summers here can dry that soil out quick.
i use tons of organic matter, compost and mulch.

my guess is the pale new growth is due to a lack of nitrogen mainly (i dont use much in the way of chemical ferts)
ive hit it with a small amount of iron (i need to add more) and with epsom
the epsom did darken the mature leaves, but, i wouldnt use too much (1/2 teaspoonn in a 15gal or so ??)
it could make leaf burn worse, especially if it gets a lot of sun+heat and the soil dries.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: passiflora caerulea blue passion
« on: November 14, 2018, 02:25:50 PM »
i had caerulea growing for a while
after it is established, there will be runners all over.
Incarnata runs also, but not as much for me as caerulea.

caerulea is  more cold tolerant than Incarnata,
both will die back in a freeze, but usually come back in spring...
they dont always though, and im not sure why.

Incarnata is much tastier, and it grows like a weed here.
and usually fruits fairly easily.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What type of pest control do you use?
« on: November 14, 2018, 02:15:22 PM »
i use an essential oil blend.
i also keep lots of flowering plants nearby.
my Myers lemon +other citrus get hit by leaf miners regularly.
chemicals do nothing at all.
essential oil works to disrupt the cycle, but you have to spray it on every few days.
especially if it rains.

ever since i planted a few milkweed plants
the aphids have attacked the milkweed
and left my other plants alone.
also i see lots of ladybugs and other predators around.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: couple of ID's please...
« on: November 14, 2018, 01:44:04 PM »
#2 looks like Glycosmis pentaphylla

I was actually thinking that for the last plant because of the flowering.
but... now, i look at that 2nd plant again...
 the leaf structure certainly does look that way.
looking at lots of photos, it seems most, if not all ,
seem to have a single leaf at the end of the stem.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / couple of ID's please...
« on: November 13, 2018, 02:41:30 PM »
i have a few seedlings which i have never identified.
any help appreciated.

plant 1


plant 2


plant 3

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pomegranate - can i hard-prune to graft ?
« on: November 13, 2018, 02:35:40 PM »
i have a couple of POM i grew from seed.
1 tree acatually produces rather well, but the seeds are hard,
and while sweet and fairly tasty, the juice-sac is rather small.
the other tree is taller, 12ft + and doesnt produce at all.
both are seedlings from "wonderful" variety.

i have a cutting grown out to about 3ft which i think is Parafinaka.
i am wondering if i can take 2 cuttings from it and graft them to the large tree ?
and how hard can i top-work it ?
it would be nice to cut it back to 3ft or so to graft to

also, should i graft them in Spring ?
and if anyone has a couple of cuttings from a tasty soft-seeded variety, i would appreciate it.

taller POM

fruiting POm

im not familiar with Dolores , and only vaguely with Jalisco .

is Dolores red, and how is taste and production ?

ive looked all over for Jalisco a couple of years ago and cant find it...
at least from any place that will ship.

can you ship to New Orleans ??

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry support?
« on: October 19, 2018, 12:53:03 PM »
both the Pak and the Shangri-La have oversized leaves.
i have both, but there is no way to tell them apart by the leaves.

There are several types of Pakistani  -  from my understanding anyway...
the more common has a light purple type fruit.

Shangri-La fruit are shorter and fatter. and the fruit get darker.

this tall thing is my Pak.
it must have grown 12ft since April. (and i hacked it once taking off 3ft)
i had planned on keeping it low to get at the fruit
but, that might just be impossible... i will let it double as a shade tree
and shake it when its full of fruit.


when does your Indian Juju fruit mature ?
i have flowers on mine now, but winter is coming.
i am in zone 9b so, i dont know if the fruit will hold and/or ripen.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry support?
« on: October 19, 2018, 11:13:32 AM »
it depends on the type of mulberry (i think)
it appears to me, that if you prune them, they will fruit again
with most varieties ive tested anyway.
my Pakistani does, and even the "everbearing" fruits much more (several weeks) after a pruning.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jatropa
« on: October 19, 2018, 11:08:50 AM »
if you have any extra seeds let me know
(i can purchase)

if i ever do grow a tree, i would probably send seeds in for testing first.
this way also, i can propagate cuttings to trade etc.
it would be nice if rare-fruiters had more than 1 source.

or, if anyone has cuttings i would be interested.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya questions
« on: October 18, 2018, 01:30:50 PM »
i have grown them in banana circles.
a pit in the middle dug out and filled with rotting wood, leaves, grass, coffee grounds....
it will hold water even in hot sun, just put as much woody mulch on top as possible.
the soil organisms and worms go wild, it stays moist and fertile.
ive been using logs to provide barriers for raised beds too, that also works well.

as far as the male-female thing...
my understanding is that almost all papaya sold are grown from seed which is
cultivated, over generations, to produce mainly hermaphrodites.
usually %66 or more herm, with %33 female and almost no males.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Carambola deficiency I.D.
« on: October 18, 2018, 12:54:47 PM »
the newer growth has some red in it, usually (from my experience only)
this means iron is OK.
the larger-older leaves darken mainly with magnesium.
it doesnt look "deficient" to me, but i would guess that if you added some mag
the leaves might get a bit darker-green.

another possibility is PH, they like somewhat acid soils.
if you could use some woody mulch or pine needles as mulch it may help.
Epsom is magnesium sulfate, and may help with both problems. (if the PH is high)

there are several types of guava, so , it may be different for each type.
i know the Mexican types (smaller yellow) can ripen off the tree, but, i imagine there will be less flavor.

ive grown a few types, my fav is the large Asian white
i tried eating one once, that wasnt quite ripe.
it was not a good experience.
and i pulled a couple off the tree before a frost, to let them ripen inside.
they didnt... they just rotted.
i would let the ripen as much as possible before picking.
tried using bags ? or, even essential oils to spray them ?

i just bought some repellent, essential oils to mix with water.
mainly to keep leaf-miners and aphids off my citrus
but also to keep mosquitoes off my skin.
i am not suggesting the user and just used it 3-4 times since i got it...
  it seems to work rather well, but you have to spray after every rain
and even every few days if dry.

you can buy the stuff by the pound fairly cheap
its been big business for a few years now
lots of $ involved and groups trying tpo prevent a ban
so, i dont think it will get banned IMO.
it works on the opiod receptors, but, not the Mu-opiod receptors
(those are the ones like in heroine, which get you high/hooked)
so, its good for coming off of opiates
it wont get you "stoned" per se, but, is effective at pain management
it has several other benefits as well.

there is a good TV show (series) called "Hamiltons Pharmacopia"
Hamilton is a chemist with a passion for mind altering substances.

he did a show on how Kratom is made, where it comes from etc...
very interesting...'s+Pharmacopeia+kratom

i had a plant a few years ago, and yes, with lots of sun and water, it can grow like a weed.
it was about 5ft tall and wide when a freeze took it out.
i should have tried to bring it back from the roots, but i forgot about it
and it dried up.

there are side effects listed, but, i havent felt any
but then, i have not taken it in large doses.

1 teaspoon for me (2-4 grams or so?) is enough, and you can buy a KG (2.2lb) for $80 and up.

Mitragyna speciosa korth

Some people take it for managing chronic pain,
 for treating opioid withdrawal symptoms...

do you ship ? and how much approx ?
in New Orleans La.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« on: August 04, 2018, 12:53:28 PM »
In the past when I have had multiple cuttings I tried
a couple different ways like rooting hormone, honey, and nothing.
I have also cut the bottom out of 2 liter plastic bottles and covered the cutting
to create more humidity. I never had more success using rooting hormone?

The good news is most mulberries root very easy.
I usually leave one small leaf or a half leaf. Allot of times the mulberry
puts out flowers when you are rooting it and it ends up with a couple
small fruit. I snip them off so the cutting concentrates on rooting not fruiting.
It's amazing how fast the roots come out of the bottom of the pot when they take.

Thanks.  I have a newish himalayan mulberry tree that was grafted.  Not sure why it was grafted if they are so easy to propgate via cuttings?

grafting is better if the graft union is good.
mulberry can get quite large, and having it on seed-grown would have a taproot
and better rooting all together i imagine....

my Pakistani is grafted, and its quite strong, and vigorous.
not sure what they used as rootstock,
but red and white both grow here (South Louisiana) like weeds.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing papaya
« on: July 26, 2018, 11:09:06 AM »
they like a ton of organic matter (well rotted).
its hard to over-fertilize them.

they like water, but it has to be well draining.
lots of sun and heat, the more the better.
root-rot + over watering is the #1 killer.

compost around the base, then mulch on top works great.

rabbit and chicken waste, or fish emulsion are good fertilizers.

roots dont like to be disturbed, plant in-place if possible.
(or use a peat-based container) then cut the bottom when planting out.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what do you plant indoor?
« on: July 25, 2018, 08:31:43 AM »
The stuff I've had the best luck with so far are sub-tropicals and tropicals from non equatorial areas, including:
strawberry and lemon guava
natal plums

fig and POM indoors ?
do you have a small star to produce light ?

most ive talked to in the fig forum
had told me any fig they grew in shade had very low production.
ive been under the impression POM was the same way also... is it not ?

one trick i do use for any plant that is in shade a lot
is extra iron and magnesium
they darken the leaves allowing it to photosynthesize with less light.
my Feijoa 's leaves got much darker, and the plant looked a lot healthier.
its also helped, mulberry, katuk, citrus, persimmon... and fig too.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mexican cream guava taste?
« on: July 23, 2018, 04:16:21 PM »
the first few times i ate guava, it was terrible
until i grew a plant. Mex Cream.
the aroma was fantastic. i didnt like the hard seeds until i realized i could chew them

then, i grew a large white.
when ripe, the fruit is soft and   sweet.
now i love the damn things, but cant find them for sale
and last years frost killed my plants to the ground.
they are coming back, but fruit on last years wood.

my biggest problem with them is having 2 years without a hard frost
and , if i get that, i get tied of eating them in 2 weeks or so
then i have 100 fruit going bad... the Mex cream seem to fruit in spring
and do almost nothing the rest of the year.


And for God sakes, do not forget the Smith for that beats out most everything in the taste dept. and in Louisiana is loved by most. A true heirloom fig!

Smith in LA (high humidity) = great

Smith in AZ (low humidity) = poor producer.

Some figs like Smith are well-adapated to high humidity. Some figs like a Mediterranean climite, low humidity.

I have a several year old Smith tree. Smith in my environment produces excellent figs about 25% of the time. The other 75% of the figs are either bland / tasteless (cardboard) or completely dried out around the ostiole.

thanks, i will have to try and find a Smith.
i have 3 un-named, or mis-named. (one might be Smith)
1 is excellent. lots of fruit, taste great, no idea what it is.

i have a Black Mission, and i think its too humid for it.
it grows OK, but produces little.

this is the un-named, excellent fruit.
it gets larger and dark just before ripening.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 03:58:24 PM »
Here we go again.

Today 118
Tues 118
Wed 120

I think it only got to 118 once last summer. That will be 5 days 118 or over before the end of July. Sigh.

wow, and i was complaining about 97 yesterday, and 95 today.
ive been out spraying water on the leaves and mulch layer.

watch out for black containers !!!
they suck up  that heat and fry the roots.
OK if its an edible root and your hungry i guess... :)

someone said humidity keeps the temps down ?
its 61% today, and often is over 80%. (90% in the morning)
i was out yesterday for 40 mins at 8:30am, before 9am i was soaked in sweat.
full clothing change including socks.

im curious as well
i just got seeds from trade winds for  jangomans and inermis (luvi-luvi).
does anyone know how cold-hardy they are ??

i have 2 what i think are Governor plums.
on one, the leaves are much broader
the one with the smaller leaves is flowering, and growing faster as well
i put the large-leaf one in ground recently.

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