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Oh darn, I thought they were talking about Hurricane Durian. I LOVE durian!  ;)

"Never mind!"


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango tree flushing, dropped fruit
« on: August 30, 2019, 12:07:12 AM »
I also have a Tequila Sunrise. It set a lot of fruit this year, and I culled all but about a dozen. It is flushing some new growth now, but nothing prolific. The fruit only got about 2" long and haven't grown much for over a month. This week I culled about half of the remaining fruit, leaving only six on the tree. Seems like the fruit should be growing more, or the tree should be flushing more growth right now.

I was hoping this would be my first year for fruit, and finally get to taste it. Now I'm not so sure that will happen.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nam Doc Mai Mangos in SoCal
« on: August 09, 2019, 04:17:04 PM »

Hmmm this may be my issue. I have had good luck getting leaves and stems out of the top tier mangoes I bought from FL, but haven't seen anything pop out of the Kent's from Costco save for a small root.

My Kent seeds from Costco are sprouting near 100% so far.


Yes of course, theres no husk in that photo.  Eat the mango, dehusk, toss in pot of dirt.

Thanks, I have 6 organic mangoes from Costco. Just checked and they are kent from mexico that were hot water treated. Hopefully they should work.

I got the Kent mangos at Costco and have sprouted four of them in the last couple of weeks. It takes about 7 - 10 days for the shoots to emerge. I did wrap them in wet paper towels and let them sit in a ZipLoc bag on the kitchen counter for several days first, until I saw the little root tail starting to form. Then I planted them and the sprouts came up a few days later. The first to sprout are nearly a foot tall now. I plan to use them to practice learning to graft.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Video of someone stealing my mangoes
« on: July 19, 2019, 01:45:05 PM »
That's suck ass. This is why I want to move out of the people's social republic of California to rural southern Florida.

... Because everybody knows that nobody EVER steals stuff in So. Fla.!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nam Doc Mai Mangos in SoCal
« on: July 19, 2019, 01:35:46 PM »
Anyone up here in Orange County find any Nam Doc Mai available? I would love to get my hands on a few!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Time Difference
« on: July 18, 2019, 02:36:54 PM »
I have a lot of friends in CAlifornia . Who call me and I call mostly about plants. But at a decent time not 12:51 AM. I know there is a time difference. I post my phone # on this forum to help, trade and sell plants. I will do nothing to help this person. That is what he was asking for help.

My phone has a programmable Do Not Disturb mode that I have set for silence from 10:30 P.M. to 6:45 A.M. Works great!

Get some nice flood lights. The neighbors always love Midnight Gardeners!

I'm trying to summarize my best approach for growing another mango tree here in Costa Mesa. From reading through this thread, I think I understand that the best approach is to plant a manila/ataulfo seed in the ground and let it sprout and grow. Then either do a graft when it is 1 to 2 years old, or wait until it is about 4 years old and top work the tree with the desired cultivar.  This practice will develop better root structure for long-term benefit.

My question is about the grafting part. As a newbie to grafting, if I get a 50% success rate with my grafting process, there is a pretty high probability of failing and losing my 2- to 4-year old seedling. I don't mind having a long-term project, but want to avoid having to start over from scratch each time one fails. In order to maximize my potential for success, would it be feasible to plant 2 to 4 seedlings very close together (maybe 1' to 2' spacing) in the ground (in the location where I want my tree to be) and going all the way through the grafting (or top-work) process to make sure it succeeds, and then removing all but the strongest tree? Or would the roots from the trees all mutually inhibit each other's development, thus nullifying any potential gains? Should I just stick with planting the seeds in pots, doing the grafting while still in the pots, and then transplanting to the ground after I know that the grafting was successful?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first mango tree
« on: August 09, 2018, 02:42:10 PM »

This is a video thatís been shared on the forum before. I pretty much followed these guidelines. At about 8:30 into the video it details pruning instructions, I recommend watching the whole video, very informative!

For training pruning, the video recommends making the cuts just above the nodes, to encourage multiple (4 to 6) branches from that spot, and then pruning out the weaker shoots to leave just three or four branches. Others recommend pruning just below the nodes, such that it encourages one or two branches, in the desired growth direction. These seem like opposite approaches. Does the approach depend on the growing environment? Or is it just a matter of personal preference? Is one approach preferred over the other here in Coastal Southern California?


...  Carrie here ripens in Mid-July/Early August. ...
How about putting up a sign that says: "NOTICE - This fruit is not ripe until September/October. Don't waste your time harvesting until then."

Then in August, harvest your fruit and take down the sign.

Of course, if the idiots can't read, it would still be pointless.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soil for Mango trees
« on: May 31, 2018, 11:57:26 AM »
At my location, the soil is very poor for tropical plants(heavy clay). The most effective way to deal with it is to Remove and Replace the clay soil. It is labor intensive and does involve some expense so I know most people will not do this but it is by far the most effective method.  I remove the clay from a 4 foot X 4 foot area about 20-24" deep and replace it with a mix of beautiful sandy loom soil I purchased along with some sand and pumice. The mix is as follows 75% topsoil, 15% washed sand and 10% pumice. After the hole has been backfilled I plant a manila mango seedling tree. Growth has been excellent using this method.


Doesn't that pretty much guarantee that your new tree's roots will only grow until it hits the "bad" clay soil, and then turn to try stay in the "nice" soil mix?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thin my Mangos?
« on: May 29, 2018, 09:17:35 PM »
Thanks everyone for the feedback. This is my first year to (hopefully) get some fruit and I'm not sure what to expect. I'll leave it alone and see how the fruit develops. If the limbs start looking too heavy with fruit, I may devise some crutches under them to give some support.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thin my Mangos?
« on: May 29, 2018, 01:35:29 PM »
Anybody have a clue about whether (or when) I should cull some of the fruit? Will it hurt it to just let them go and see what happens?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Thin my Mangos?
« on: May 26, 2018, 02:45:13 PM »
My Gold Coast mango tree has been in the ground for three years and is about 4 - 5 feet tall. The trunk diameter is about 2" below the graft line, slightly smaller above the graft line. Last year I removed all the fruit. This year it is setting quite a bit of fruit, for the size of the tree. I'd like to get some fruit this year. Do I need to thin out the fruit? Or should I just wait and see how much of the fruit it drops without my help? The fruits are about 1 inch now.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black and red Surinam cherry
« on: May 06, 2018, 11:25:31 PM »
First fruiting of my black Surinam, itís about 4 years old. Second fruit on my red Surinam thatís about 5 years old. The black are by far much sweeter. My red had bitter cherries when it first produced but now they are much sweeter yet still not as sweet as the black.

I grew up in South Florida. A house down the street had a hedge of "Florida Cherries." As a little kid, I remember there were dark/black ones and bright red/orange ones. The black ones were always the best tasting. Now I know they were Surinam Cherries. I live in California now. Maybe I will see if I can find one here.

Blast from the past...


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fish Emulsion
« on: May 06, 2018, 11:00:36 PM »
I make my own fish emulsion by up-cycling scraps from a local fish market and fermenting it like wine/cheese. Last year I made 40 gallons. It does smell similar to fish but with a sour/sweet component and may not be acceptable in a close neighborhood but the process had virtually no smell and even vegans found the smell to be tolerable. We do have raccoons and they caused no problem.

I basically scaled up this process using a 60 gallon sealed Greek olive barrel with an airlock. Whole fish was added to a lactic acid culture with sugar, the bacteria did the rest over a few months to liquefy everything except scales and bones. So, if you want something less smelly try fish hydrolysate instead of emulsion. It is a very good amendment and made use of something otherwise thrown into the bay.

The home beer maker in me thinks this sounds like a really fun and interesting project. Unfortunately, the vegan in me still thinks it sounds gross... The organic gardener in me is often at odds with the vegan in me, because so many of the organic fertilizers are based on slaughterhouse waste, manure and the like. I was hoping that buying the ready-made fish fertilizer would make it less repulsive, but the look and smell of the stuff is really pretty bad. I am hopeful that the smell will dissipate quickly. I got a gallon of the stuff, so I'm committed to trying it out. If all my fruit trees and veggies go nuts over it and start producing like crazy, I may learn to get along with it. Nasty stuff!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fish Emulsion
« on: May 06, 2018, 01:22:10 PM »
I've read several threads about using fish emulsion to feed fruit trees (mangos, citrus, apple), both as a foliar spray and directly on the soil. I picked up a gallon of the Fish Fertilizer at Home Depot yesterday. I wanna vomit from the smell of rotting fish! No one mentioned that. Anyone know of a de-odorized product that might be less offensive? How long should I expect my yard to smell like a fish dump? Should I sell the house and move elsewhere?


I just got back from Trader Joe's in Costa Mesa, where I found some nice California Keitts for $1.99 each! The ones in the front by the avocados look a bit over-ripe, but back by the Deli case area, I found another group that was greener, firmer and fairly large. They will sit on my counter for a few days before I dig in.


I'm not sure what a DF is, but it looks just like my Night Blooming Cereus. Mine may bloom tonight...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangos and nitrogen
« on: August 30, 2017, 06:23:20 PM »
As I recall, nitrogen fixers such as legumes, work with microbes to take nitrogen from the air (N2) and produce water soluble nitrogen compounds such as ammonia. Using the plants as a green manure releases that nitrogen to the soil as the plant breaks down.

I've been getting some nice Kents from Costco for about two months. I sliced up several boxes of them and dehydrated them so I can enjoy them for a few more months. Today I was at Costco and saw they now only have Tommys.... No wait, what is that in the back? A few boxes of Keitts (from Mexico)! So I bought two boxes of those to try out. The price was right: 6 mangoes for $5.49. I'll let them sit for a few days to sweeten up a bit. If they are good, I'll go back for more and get the dehydrator back out.

Haven't seen any California Keitts though.

So far, I'm not very impressed with the Mexican Keitts that I got at Costco. Not very sweet, not much flavor. I don't expect to be buying more.

I've been getting some nice Kents from Costco for about two months. I sliced up several boxes of them and dehydrated them so I can enjoy them for a few more months. Today I was at Costco and saw they now only have Tommys.... No wait, what is that in the back? A few boxes of Keitts (from Mexico)! So I bought two boxes of those to try out. The price was right: 6 mangoes for $5.49. I'll let them sit for a few days to sweeten up a bit. If they are good, I'll go back for more and get the dehydrator back out.

Haven't seen any California Keitts though.

Thank you Har and Ibliz for the recommendations. I think that I was a bit baffled because some branches were robust and healthy, while others looked weak and stunted. I would have guessed that a nutrient deficiency would affect the whole tree pretty much evenly, but I see now that this not the case. I will give it a foliar spray with the minors twice a month for the next couple of months, plus more on the soil at the drip line. I'm doing the same for my grapefruit and Meyer lemon, and my Fuji Apple tree. I am glad to know there is no major disease or infestation happening!

Happy Fruiting!

Nice set of pictures!

The tender top leaves look seriously deficient in Zinc and Copper, and the previous flush looks mildly deficient in Iron--- so the new growth is probably also deficient in Iron.

Spraying the Southern Ag Citrus micronutrient mix at a dilute / weak / lowest-recommended rate, with  some kelp added, on the new growth and on the still-hardening-up previous flush, in the very early morning, or before sunset, would be more effective than the drenching in this case--- as you have already found that not enough is rising from the soil, to some portions of your tree.

As Ibliz pointed out, the scorch marks do look like thrips damage--- but that still needs to be verified.

Do you have a traditional magnifier, in the 8X to 16X range?  Or a digital camara phone attachment to take microscopic pictures?

The stem blackening looks like anthracnose.

I picked up a jug of Iron & Zinc chelate liquid and did a foliar spray this morning. My Myer lemon was also having some yellowing on some of its leaves, so I sprayed my citrus trees and my apple tree while I was at it. It looks like Home Depot also has the Southern Ag Citrus nutritional spray in stock, so I'll pick up a jug of that next time I'm over there. How often should I use it? Monthly? Weekly?

I don't have any macro attachments for my phone or camera, nor a microscope, so those pictures are about the best I can do.

Should I prune off all the damaged areas and just let the healthy areas grow? Or will the damaged areas sprout out new healthy leaves after getting the foliar micro-nutrients?

I did get a soil test kit and tested around a few of my trees. I got pH readings in the 6.0 - 6.5 range, which doesn't seem too bad, although 5.0 might be better.

Thanks for the suggestions!

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