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One of my seedling vines from last year is displaying some curious morphology this year as it has emerged.
The tendrils are sporting their own flower buds (or pseudo-flower buds).

Pretty wild! The earlier leaves are also massive - I would estimate 8 or more inches across. Not sure if all the leaves will end up this big.
Hasn't bloomed quite yet so will be interesting to see what happens.
The odd thing is that it did not display any of these features last year. It did flower and fruit.

Oh - I think I just remembered. Last year this vine DID have one oddity - several 5-lobed leaves. Standard is 3. So something wacky with the genetics of this fella.

Regarding maypop vines -
Thereís a whole thread here about them Iím pretty wild about them. Who couldnít love a temperate passion fruit?!?
However, they definitely spread and I suppose you could say would be invasive. They will come up all over the place, and, Iím finding after a few years of having some, they may not ďstayĒ where you plant them.
That is, it might not come up from the original planting site in the spring. It might choose somewhere else to ďpopĒ up.
But I adore the fruits, the flowers are stunning and fragrant.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Bird tape?
« on: May 14, 2018, 03:28:13 PM »
The bags in the pic look breathable....i haven't pulled them up on amazon.
Others on the forum here turned me on to organza bags. I have ordered them from Definitely nothing big enuf for a watermelon :)

I have used them to "catch" passionfruits (maypops) I have never used them, however, to try to protect fruits from varmints. Not sure they'd do the trick or not.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting fig?
« on: May 14, 2018, 08:14:37 AM »
Celeste is a great fig. Somehow it doesnt seem to do all that well in the west coast, i.e. drops figs.

Improved Celeste is earlier and doesn't drop figs. It might be worth growing. But the earlier mentioned varieties are tastier IMO.
Not sure of its performance in other climes, but here on the upper Texas gulf coast I have never had a fig dropproblem with celeste. They hold and produce a delicious, closed eye fig around early to mid July.

Thanks! I'm a novice fig grower - would it be expected for a potted fig that's planted out in the spring to abort its fruit that first year?
What's done is done, but just curious.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Bird tape?
« on: May 08, 2018, 02:56:49 PM »
You can search the forum and probably find a lot. I have done similar research.
My take-away was that the "scare tape" is almost universally considered a waste of money.

About the only way to keep birds off is actual physical exclusion via netting or a cage.
short of that, I seemed to have some success making a scarecrow on a tall shepherd's hook - i moved it around at least once a day. I even scared myself sometimes out of the corner of my eye, thinking someone was stalking me! It seemed to work pretty well.
Cats might help :)

I have muscadines in their second year and i'm nervous about bird damage when they start fruiting. Not sure what I will do but i'm preparing loose ideas for possibly caging the whole trellis in.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting fig?
« on: May 08, 2018, 11:43:15 AM »
Celeste is a great fig. Somehow it doesnt seem to do all that well in the west coast, i.e. drops figs.

Improved Celeste is earlier and doesn't drop figs. It might be worth growing. But the earlier mentioned varieties are tastier IMO.

Good to know!
Yes, Celeste is recommended for Tennessee climate by our Ag folks, etc.
Speaking of dropped figs, that's interesting - i purchased a 3-gallon Celeste last spring, planted it, and it dropped all its fruit when they were about marble sized. I chalked it up to first year stress, but maybe it wasn't ....yikes. We'll have to see how it goes this year.

I had some cracking on the bark over the winter that I hope will not cause long term issues.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting fig?
« on: May 04, 2018, 12:17:23 PM »
I am growing over a 100 different varieties and have tasted around 50 total.  Zephian lives in an excellent climate for figs and can grow the absolute best ones without difficulty.

That said, VdB is a fantastic tasting variety. one of the very best.  It is also very easily available. Strawberry Verte is great too.

My top 10 list of relatively easily available and tasty figs for your climate in no particular order:

1. Black Madeira/Figo Preto
2. Smith
3. Italian 258
4. Genovese Nero (AF) not Rob's Genovese Nero
5. Strawberry Verte/ Adriatic JH/ Green Ischia
6. Desert King
7. Panache
8. Bourjassotte Grise
9. Grise de St Jean
10. Violette de Bourdeaux/Negronnne

 I am not impressed with Ronde de Bourdeaux, not tasty unless completely ripe. And it is a fig for cooler climates.

What is your opinion of Celeste?  I had a VdB and killed it overwintering it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian Causes a Scare
« on: April 30, 2018, 04:30:21 PM »
Student should be expelled for letting such a fine fruit go uneaten!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: April 29, 2018, 10:02:53 AM »
;D ;D ;D I don't want to jump too soon, but i think this time i will be lucky with my pawpaw! I already have 6 flowers that were polinated. They already loose the petals, mantain the green part in the middle of the flower and continue in the tree without falling. I'm very happy and praying to get pawpaws for the first time!  :P :P :P

Sounds awesome! Best wishes for success this time.

mmm Maypop. As you may've seen from my thread, I'm really into these vines.
They are very cold-hardy so that shouldn't be your issue. However, i've found they do require full sun to flower and fruit well.
You also need at least 2 genetically-different vines for fruit set, most folks agree they are not self-fertile.
Otherwise they are basically a weed, hard to kill.

I have sent-off all my maypop seeds this year but next year perhaps I could send you some.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: April 23, 2018, 07:54:22 AM »
Oh I'm sorry! I don't know much about flowers dropping. It may be that they are still "practice-flowering" and just aren't ready yet to set fruit.
Or as you said it could be heat or dryness. Generally speaking pawpaws don't like to be dry....

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: April 22, 2018, 10:47:02 PM »
Thatís awesome, Luis! Good luck getting some tasty fruits.
Well, my ďorchardĒ is finally in the ground after a few years of planning and preparation.
I converted a scrubby area of my yard that was covered in privet and bush honeysuckle.
I cheated a bit and planted about 6 feet apart in 2 staggered rows. Maybe 8 feet between the rows. I just had to plant as many trees as possible.
Here are the trees:
KSU - Atwood (hidden springs nursery)
KSU - Benson (hidden spgs)
Lehmanís Chiffon (hidden spgs)
Mariaís Joy (Englandís Nursery)
Shenandoah (Englandís Nursery)
KSU 4-1 (Nolin River Nursery)
Susquehanna (Nolin River)
Seedling trees I grew:
Sunflower (3)
Susquehanna (4)
KSU 4-25 ďPina ColadaĒ
KSU 4-1
ďOld HickoryĒ (wild selection)

The trees from Nolin River weíre by far the healthiest and most impressive of the grafted trees. Great value considering the size too. Would definitely buy from them again if I had more room.

I had originally planned to plant all seedlings (I have more in pots) but decided to go 50/50 grafted to ensure I have at least some exceptional fruit.
However, I am more excited about the seedlings and waiting to see what they do. All but the Old Hickory are open crosses of top cultivars so they should be pretty good, and possibly phenomenal.
The trees I didnít plant will be used as rootstock - Iím trying to find room to plant around 6 more trees.
I also have seedlings just getting started from Lehmanís Delight, Al Horn, and Old Hickory. These were started as insurance against losses over the summer.

I put crude shade structures around all the seedlings but have left the grafted trees in full sun.
 So far everything looks pretty good except one seedling tree which seems a bit unhappy. Time will tell.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Moving to a warmer country?
« on: April 17, 2018, 07:01:51 PM »
Awesome, Patanax!
I think in many cases when pawpaws are very ripe, with skin nearing blackness, the flavor is more caramel and not ďfruityĒ. Generally the earlier you eat it, the fruitier the taste. Some can have pineapple, coconut, melon or banana flavors. Some Iíve tasted are even spicy or cinnamon like. One was strongly reminiscent of durian. No joke. (Others have reported this too)
So fun to see others growing this around the world. Best of luck to you!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: April 06, 2018, 10:45:18 AM »
I know i predicted doom and gloom last year and was somewhat wrong (crop was down for sure from 2016 though).

But this year i'm really concerned due to the bizarre weather we've had: freakishly warm late February, then a much colder March overall, and now even in the early days of April we just hit around 30F 2 nights ago and have a sub-30F low predicted Saturday night.
Add a fair amount of rain to the mix, and it's hard to envision many flowers being successfully pollinated or even alive.

Only time will tell.....

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: March 23, 2018, 09:13:15 AM »
Was out at the local patch yesterday. Couldíve been my mood but overall things didnít look so great. Just not a lot of flowers or even flower buds, it seemed. Weather has been unusually cool for the last few weeks with multiple nights below freezing. I think things are rather delayed, compared to some recent years at least. Definitely not in full swing yet. Upcoming weather is still pretty cool and wet for about 2 weeks.
At this rate we may not have much flowering for a while. Weíll see....
Oh, and other bad news is only a few of my grafts in the patch appear to have made it. Looking at them now I can see I didnít have good technique! I think my biggest issue was I didnít know to rubber band them tightly. So the wound tissue really messed things up- they look awful! LOL

I know that Asimina triloba productivity is definitely increased with sun exposure.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: March 03, 2018, 09:36:07 PM »
Observed some more trees in Nashville area today.
Rhodes are in a wooded area. Flowers not nearly as far along as the tree mentioned above.
This is good, because we have a few nights below freezing coming up. Regardless, however, nothing severe that would do much damage, I think.
Took some more cuttings today. Going to be busy with a lot of grafting later.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: March 01, 2018, 10:18:02 AM »
Kicking off the 3rd annual "Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread!

Hard to believe this is the third year.

The purpose of this thread is to document the progress and productivity of wild pawpaw (Asimina triloba) patches.
Anyone and everyone who has pawpaws growing in their area is welcome and encouraged to contribute.

I'll go ahead and get us kicked off:
Here in TN, we have had a crazy-warm second half of February. (Also crazy-rainy.) We've actually had a couple of days reach 80 degrees. Have not had any frost in a couple of weeks at least.
Bradford Pears and Chinese Magnolias are blooming as of a couple of days ago. Daffodils, etc are up and blooming.
Sooooooooo.....are the pawpaws blooming yet?

Last Sunday (2/25) I checked the "mother tree" in Nashville that I always keep an eye on. The flower buds were definitely in action but not open yet. The size of small blueberries. The flower "stem" (peduncle I believe is the term) was quite elongated on most flower buds.
This tree has always had early-ripening fruit, so perhaps it's ahead of other trees. I haven't been able to look at my local wild patches yet.

We have some cool nights coming up, forecast around 32F, but I don't see anything that would harm the flowers. Last year we had some 20F nights in March that really zapped things.

Fingers crossed for no late freezes.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Don't throw away those passionfruit leaves!
« on: February 26, 2018, 07:29:40 PM »
This is some good info as I have sleeping problems. This is partly why I work the night shift. Working night shift takes a toll on my relationship though. Even my days off I have a hard time sleeping at night and struggle staying up during the day spending time with the family. Where are you guys finding passion fruit at? I can't find any at my local stores to take the seeds and plant. Maybe it's not the right season?


Check your PMs. Cheers!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Don't throw away those passionfruit leaves!
« on: February 23, 2018, 09:50:28 AM »
Passiflora incarnata is the Tennessee state wildflower - but I grow it in my garden as a fruit crop. Excellent fruit when allowed to drop naturally.
Iíve found the leaves to be a little strong, as some have reported, so I prefer to make times out of the flowers, either fresh or dried. I find 2-3 flowers in 8 ounces of boiling water, steeped 10-15 minutes can have a moderate to high soporific effect. However, for me it seems it takes a
Couple of hours or more to really kick in. When taken immediately before bed, Iíve felt groggy in the morning.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tagging trees
« on: February 19, 2018, 11:10:45 AM »
Iím doing in the woods. Hundreds of trees out there,  so a map is not feasible.

Do you have a mobile phone signal where you are working on the trees? ie: can you visit a website on your smartphone while you are out in the woods?


Mark - thatís the same idea as a broadfork, yeah?
Did you do that prior to digging holes and planting I guess? How far out from planting site did you go with it?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tagging trees
« on: February 17, 2018, 12:31:13 PM »
 Good discussion. I need permanent labels for grafts that Iím doing in the woods. Hundreds of trees out there,  so a map is not feasible. I had heard of the soda can idea, but I just bought some of the aluminum tags from Amazon. Thanks for the link!

From what Iíve read, the current recommendation is not to amend the backfill when planting perennials because of this pot effect where drainage is an issue but also it creates a differential between the enriched backfill and the native soil, where the roots do not venture out into the native soil.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: YIKES! Fig damage - what's up?
« on: February 15, 2018, 03:15:51 PM »
Thanks, Polux!
What do you think will happen to this branch?
Should I be worried about disease with this injury?
I like to worry about things and ask questions ;D
But since itís a fig, I assume itís basically not a problem.
Though I would want to know if I need to sacrifice this shoot.

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