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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: my Mahachanok mango are so cute
« on: May 23, 2020, 04:58:22 PM »
Cute indeed! And in Redwood City just outside San Fran. The mango Gods are smiling on you and same with those in charge of global warming. Great colorations!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: At last! Now what?!
« on: May 23, 2020, 03:54:04 PM »
I would like to definitely grind the stumps down.
But it will be all up to me, I will have to rent one and have it be a DIY thing; after asking several tree companies many were hesitant because of the slope of the bank leading down to the water and the weight of the stump grinder. they were concerned equipment would end up in the water.

I know some people also have mentioned drilling holes into the stumps and pouring pool acid in them, to burning the stumps out by building a fire on them.

I am open to suggestions.

I had an Aussie pine stump and after HOA complained ..... OK it was a glorious 35 year old tree that I had it topped off once  by the tree trimmers. THEN ten years after/later Me and friend wasted it completely down to the stump. Lets say a 24" diameter stump. After 5 years of rotting in place I was able to easily chain saw it and remove it via pick axe.  No chems used

In your shoes I would leave the stumps, plant mango trees etc. in between.  Take your own personal chainsaw to stumps and cut the stumps downwards into quarters/  Use chems after those quarters rot. Chems means all nitrogen fertilizers or as close to this as you can get.

On smaller stumps go over them many times with ye old circular saw. Do it now on large stumps for shits n giggles. You will have to buy a few cheap Communist Chinese blades at Harbor Freight.

Wow, thats a lot of info I will have to keep in mind. I will take some inspiration from the images you have provided and I will try something myself, but it will most likely be very different. Unlike many people here I have a very tiny area in which to grow my plants. The only reason I have as many as I do is due to aggressive pruning, most plants in pots, and well hope that it works out, which so far it does. This however has the downside of creating a lot of shade essentially everywhere except for a few spots, but I just might let the trees grow there for the sake of more fruit production. That leaves the entire land shaded. So unless some of these plants are going to do good in shade, I fear it won't be possible. I am also worried about annuals, since I can't always be there to replant and such. I'm hoping to get some plants that will grow among the trees no problem with me occasionally cutting them down to put over my typical home depot mulch in hopes to replace some of its usage. I hear perrenial peanuts do good in shade, so those should be good as nitrogen fixers, but even that confuses me a bit. If these chop and drop plants are sop fast growing and become green manure, don't they take nutrients from the soil themselves, same with the nitrogen fixers?

#1- You are doing great and lots of thinking
#2- We go to war with the army that we have. The soil and the space we have at our disposal.

drone pigeon peas ... Impressive photo. Your are very dedicated and will make a dent BUT --Most people are going to grow chop-drop in a more haphazard way. Have you ever used a scythe? I have and this is what you need.

With your chop drop peas let them grow woody/ you probably are.  Yeah, you can make a dent and some mulch with those pigeon peas. You are the exception and not the rule

All chop/drop plants mentioned above are 95% water so very very limited in effect/ Get a pile of wood chips dropped off. Talk to tree trimmers and get some. If you have the space and no HOA then use some to mulch now and leave half to rot in a pile.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: At last! Now what?!
« on: May 21, 2020, 11:15:37 AM »
Are you going to bring in the stump grinder man or will you get rid of the stumps with nitrogen fertilizer? Job well done! You can now put in some useful fruit trees.

I believe you cannot plant Aussie pines anymore. They are banned as being non-native. I like them, many properties here have them planted as hedges 20-30-40 years ago.

A good girdling video, but done to stimulate mango production, a lemon tree and a few others are also demonstrated.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what to do
« on: May 20, 2020, 07:16:52 AM »

On your Indian technique I would not cook the mango cubes until soft. I am sure they will rot. I would cook them until the point where they have gotten hot but are still firm. If you/anyone like to consume pro-biotic capsules..... You can drop one in any pickling or kraut you are making and get a better mix of bacteria in your final result.

A really easy and quick pickle to make is with Chinese cabbage aka Napa cabbage. Do not cut it up in small pieces. Instead cut up as best you can into 2" x 2" squares. Sprinkle the right amount of salt on them. Go on line to see what this is. No vinegar needed. Add the contents of one or two probiotic capsules.  You can add a bit of cayenne pepper if you like. Edible in 5 days but let it ferment for 10 to get a higher bacteria count.

For local fans of kimchi. There is a Korean owned Asian grocery store that makes theirs in-house. It is not very hot/spicy. They make it just right. In other Asian stores I see kimchi made in California.

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Hi All

On one mango tree I have some 3" diameter branches that I would like to see new branches coming out lower down from where it is presently branching out. You know how thick the bark is on a 3" diameter. I am thinking of using my electric drill to drill 6 holes that new branches will emerge from. I am thinking of going 1/4" deep with either a 1/8" or 1/4" drill bit. Does this make any sense? The same thing could be done to the trunk of a mango tree that is 3" in diameter.

Will drilling these holes stimulate this branch to put out new branches lower down?

Also does anyone have some other brilliant ideas for how to induce new branches on a mango or avocado tree? Would a slit with a knife work better? Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: MANGO TREE ETHICS
« on: May 19, 2020, 10:09:23 PM »
New buyers cut trees down fruit trees all the time so have a good talk with new neighbor

From late 1960s into the 1970s My father had a 1949 wooden hull Chriscraft boat. About 22ft long. My job was to caulk the seams every two years. I did a good job but there inevitably was seepage that we removed with the bilge pump. Back then caulk came in a can. It had a slant six inboard engine that never failed us. Coolant of course was ocean water. We did lots of fishing. Blues were always an easy catch. Flounder, blow fish and better fish were around too. This was off of Freeport, Long Island in NY.

We would often hook dogfish, which as you know are tiny sharks. We would take them by the tail and wack them against the hull a few times. Stunned or dead I don't know, they were tossed back in the ocean. For sure some swam away. This was always good for some mirth and  laughs. We water-skied off it even though the  Chriscraft didn't go fast. I often drove the boat though my father was the captain. He took boating classes at the power squadron to learn charts and other important requirements.

So.....Orkine and I can bring down a bushel of mangoes in a few weeks. After you and yours have eaten them all you give us a phone call and we will go out on the water for a day. Good trade as far as I know.  :)

Sounds like somewhere in the routine you forgot to inject bleach intravenously ;)

Photos included.....This account has people cleaning up their blood and curing their Covid19 via intravenous cousin of bleach. Intravenous ClO2 / Chlorine Dioxide

Spain is the largest avocado producer in Europe. You can see the varieties grown there. In southern Spain along the coast. If you can visit Spain you can see how they cultivate them. Italy and Greece have good avocado climates but it seems few if any avocado plantations.

‘Winter Mexican’

I doubt you will find these in Europe, where you can buy the young trees to be sent to you in Georgia.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: MANGO TREE ETHICS
« on: May 17, 2020, 11:28:08 PM »
Hi Abe. My mango harvest is ho-hum this year. Redeemed by lots of Carrie fruits. We all want colder winters to send the mango trees into proper dormancy. This leads to timely and proper blooming.

 And I just want to let all forum members know that you are a charter boat captain as you state at your first post up at the top. Capt. Abie Raymond of Biscayne Park and check out his Instagram for some big bad fishes his guests have caught. And I mean big. You seem to do a lot of catch and release. I hope some get eaten. Anyways, Captain Abe is your go to man for a day of solid fishing. He knows all the good spots because he has worked with and trained for years with the best out of Miami.


I use a scant handful of slow release Nutricote Total w/micronutrients 180 day release but only once/year. I had another fertilizer which wasn't slow release and it evidently had too much release of copper. That one burned the leaf tips be careful bromeliads do NOT like copper. The planting I have looks like it will average 50 or more fruit/year. This was last year this year there are a few more.

I looked at your video. It all looks so good! You have some ripened to golden perfection pineapples there. Yeah I know this was from Jun 29, 2019. They are large, they should go for $4 minimum for such prime tastes. You never see such gold colors in the store. Golden all over the pineapple. Better than a watery mango any day of the week.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: dechlorinated water for jaboticaba
« on: May 17, 2020, 03:31:25 PM »
You don't need any lemon. Left outside, sun or no sun the chlorine dissipates into the air. Though sunshine and heat will accelerate the process. One day's exposure will do the trick.
Do you need to stir the water during the day (especially if it is in a deep barrel) or it will dissipate even without beeing stirred ?

I was thinking of that/stirring but did not post it. The answer has to be yes and especially for a deep barrel. Logic says so. Use a long piece of old lumber or a boat oar.  :) Twice a day.

Patience for pineapples. It took me two years to get very nice and edible fruits from the two I planted and used no fertilizer on. I left the plants alone and this summer I am getting regrowth and two new beautiful fruits that should be ripe in two months.

Do others just leave pineapple plants alone and get crops each year? Plus mine are putting out off-shoots. So I might be getting a pineapple patch established.  I realize that commercial growers probably don't do it this way.

You grow them at home and let them ripen to perfection. You will get pineapples with a bare minimum of acid and lots of sweetness

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: dechlorinated water for jaboticaba
« on: May 17, 2020, 03:19:42 PM »
You don't need any lemon. Left outside, sun or no sun the chlorine dissipates into the air. Though sunshine and heat will accelerate the process. One day's exposure will do the trick.

XXX animal gnawed on a ho hum mango...toss it into the bushes. On a delicious like Carrie the other day, focus high pressure garden hose on *that spot* to wash away all potential baddies. Then I eat it outside with my N95-Covid19 face mask on to be extra, above top secret assured, reassured and rest assured. Then I swallow a Hydroxychloroquine tablet with some zinc. Yum!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: MANGO TREE ETHICS
« on: May 16, 2020, 08:11:10 PM »
How about an update? So Abe.... how is your neighbor's tree yielding this year. Are they dropping into your yard?

How much do they charge for drops that are gnawed into a little bit?

Squam -- An early mango, like your Edwards that has full taste this early in April should go for top dollar

Why the excitement about May First? This is too soon for sweetness. Mangoes need more sugar pumped into them via solar conversion via the leafy trees they hang from.
June First maybe.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's been a long time!!!
« on: April 13, 2020, 04:37:37 PM »
FFF is the Frank Sinatra of tropical fruit trees. Frank had five final retirement tours. And none of them presented any new material.
Hi Zands,      ***A lot of the Young don't know Sinatra***...

Two ways to interpret.... I'm pretty sure you meant this choice:
Frank Sinatra "Old Blue Eyes" was so CHARISMATIC and ENTERTAINING that he would fill his auditorium singing events for his 5 final retirement tours without even having to add any new songs in the tours...

Google: "His bright blue eyes earned him the popular nickname "Ol' Blue Eyes". Sinatra led a colorful personal life, and was often involved in turbulent affairs with women, such as with his second wife Ava Gardner. He later married Mia Farrow in 1966 and Barbara Marx in 1976."

Personally I preferred hearing Dean Martin or Bing Crosby... But Sinatra let an interesting life with Dean Martin & others.

But of course! And for FFF to be compared to the Chairman of the Board is the best compliment possible. I read a Dean bio and his last ten years were sad. His son who crashed into the side of a mountain took a lot out of him.

In fact FFF's wife is an Ava  look a like and FFF does have some new exciting fruits trees for us all. Some new ever bearing red jaboticabas and others.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's been a long time!!!
« on: April 13, 2020, 11:00:03 AM »
FFF is the Frank Sinatra of tropical fruit trees. Frank had five final retirement tours. And none of them presented any new material.

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