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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango flower question
« on: February 19, 2019, 04:23:36 PM »
New growth doesn’t cause fruit drop. Shouldn’t cause any harm.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango broken branch wound
« on: February 19, 2019, 10:49:25 AM »
Wounds like that which aren’t clean cuts sometimes don’t heal as well and are prone to bacterial and fungal infection. If it doesn’t heal you can try treating it with some fungicides.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cecilove Mango. . .Availability?
« on: February 19, 2019, 08:59:38 AM »
We’ve got a number of them in the ground. I really like it and think it might be a good alternative to Sweet Tart.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado ID please
« on: February 17, 2019, 10:17:23 PM »
They just used stock images of Hass fruit because nobody has bothered to take photographs of Winter Mexican.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado ID please
« on: February 17, 2019, 10:02:15 PM »
Looks like Winter Mexican. On the late side for one though.

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Are you guys considering the nutritional value your rootstock plays?  I thought Turpentine was a great match for your calcareous soils?  pH of 7.5 aint too shabby.  Mine is 8.2

Ours is 5.9
 8)
 :P

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Squam, have your Sweet Tarts been consistently poor producers?  I ask because as I wrote just above, my Cogshall has tested my patience with poor production and jelly seed.  I was thinking the Sweet Tart would be a good replacement.

They had a ‘decent yet disappointing’ crop last year if that makes any sense. A good number of them still failed to flower but We at least got nice crops off a number of them.

I think it’s probably better suited for interior areas, the west coast of Florida, central Florida (brevard, Orlando, etc) and California. Even Gary Zill’s sweet tarts (the “oldest” sweet tart trees in existence) don’t consistently flower well in West Boynton. I also recall Cookiemonster stayed last year that sweet tart had been something of an alternate bearer for him.

I have higher hopes for Cecilove, which tastes quite similar and seems more precocious and easier to flower.

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Just about everything large enough to flower has already flowered or has panicles pushing. I would grade this as a “good, not great” bloom (75-90% bloom, with a great bloom being 90+%). With the mild/warm “winters” we get now in southeast Florida, I’m just grateful for a “good” bloom.

Some exceptions are:

Sweet tart - by far the most disappointing. Out of several dozen ST trees, only a couple have any flowers at all. Absolutely pathetic. I’m convinced this one needs regularly cool winters to flower and produce on a consistent basis because of the energy drained by its larger crops.

Bombay - some panicles but vast majority of a “large” tree is dormant.

Shindri - 2nd year it’s been large enough to flower and still nothing

Naomi - no flowers. has never fruited

Sonpari - completely dormant, had large crop last year

Alphonso - just a small amount of bloom. Not surprised

Jehangir - similar to Alphonso

Shamsul Asamar- insuspect this one needs a pretty cold winter to do anything

J.B 2 - completely dormant. Has never flowered

“Sia Siam” (fake maha chanoks) - 6 out of 7 are dormant

ValCarrie - usually flowers well but not much of anything on two trees
Probably forgetting a few other disappointments.

Some other trees have significant blooms, but subpar by their own standards.

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Thanks for the info, Squam.  Why won't it work at my latitude?

It’s not fully understood but has been trialed on a number of occasions. My understanding is that calcium nitrate and KN03 don’t work for initiating bloom in the northern parts of Mexico either though:

A reference to it here on KN03 but it pertains to CaNO3 as well:
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Results concerning the effects of KN03 treatments on flower promotion and fruiting have not been consistent in India (Pal et ai., 1979, cited by Fierro & Ulloa, 1991) and Australia (Winston & Wright, 1986), or even negative in Florida as reported by Davenport (1987)

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/02571862.2005.10634676

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Your profile says Plantation, FL. If you are applying it there, it does not work at this latitude to actually induce flowering. Even in the tropics where it’s been shown to work for that purpose, it doesn’t work well on certain cultivars and it’s used in conjunction with PGRs like paclobutrazol to time growth flushes and Bud initiation.

You’ll just be pumping your trees with nitrogen, which you don’t need Calcium nitrate for. There could be some benefit from the calcium, but that could be supplied without the N.

APSA-80 is just a wetting agent that helps the foliage absorb the product.

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What I don't see are how these orchards work out 5 or ten years down the road.

A lot of them don’t.

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As long as you save some money to set up a Paclobutrazol injector system into your irrigation.

It’s also illegal to use on mangos in the US.

250 is far too many for a half acre in Florida.

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I just left Zills and they do not have very many trees in bloom. Also the other fruit seller by 95 and Hypoluxo has only a few trees in bloom. I find this odd as I’m in Indian River County and we have full bloom on everything but newly purchased trees.

Because your trees were exposed to significantly cooler weather. The tri-county area hasn’t experienced as many nights in the 50s.

That is part of it but it’s not as simplistic as that. My neighbor has 40 or so trees only one is in bloom. There is also a 17 acre grove nearby without any bloom.

Cultivar and relative health and age of stems matter as well. But cool/dry weather is what stimulates floral response in mango.

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I just left Zills and they do not have very many trees in bloom. Also the other fruit seller by 95 and Hypoluxo has only a few trees in bloom. I find this odd as I’m in Indian River County and we have full bloom on everything but newly purchased trees.

Because your trees were exposed to significantly cooler weather. The tri-county area hasn’t experienced as many nights in the 50s.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mangoes in Florida
« on: January 28, 2019, 10:20:45 PM »


Alampur Baneshan and Imam Pasand leaves.  They look quite different to me, but neither have fruited yet.  Maybe I'm just hoping they are different....  What does everyone else think???  The leaf on the right is Alampur Baneshan, and the left is Imam Pasand.

Have these trees both fruited?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mangoes in Florida
« on: January 28, 2019, 07:00:10 PM »
Well I do like the sweetness flavor of my [Alampur Baneshan].
I like to know about Sonpari

Sonpari is fantastic and very productive. But sadly, highly prone to bacterial black spot. We lost most of the fruit on the tree to it last year. :(

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mangoes in Florida
« on: January 28, 2019, 03:10:01 PM »
My Iman Passand looks like Alampur Baneshan,flesh color is light if that is also a clue.
For florida folks should try Kerala varieties in our humid conditions might be best bet?

In addition to having identical leaves and growth habit, The fruit on one of the “Iman Passand” trees we had (since topworked over) also cracked like “Alampur Baneshan”  ;).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mangoes in Florida
« on: January 28, 2019, 09:39:06 AM »
Alex..... Of the Indian varieties you have tasted which ones haven't got a turpentine edge to them ??????   Mike

Rumani and Mallika. Rumani’s flavor is similar to Edward; mallika, when properly ripened, has an orange-citrus flavor like Lemon Zest. Unfortunately Mallika appears heavily prone to bacterial black spot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mangoes in Florida
« on: January 28, 2019, 01:08:37 AM »
Squam256., Alampoor benishan and Imam pasand are different varieties, and these all varieties are hybrids and NOT true to seed, u should plant budded or grafted plants... ???
some of the true to seeds varieties are , Priyoor,Olor,Moovandan,Chandrakkaran ...are basically from Kerala, excellent varieties...

I am well aware that they are different varieties in India. I said “in the US”, what we have under the two names may be only one of them

And all the trees I grow are grafted.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mangoes in Florida
« on: January 27, 2019, 07:38:47 PM »
We’re growing these “common” Indian varieties:
Alampur Baneshan, which may be the same as Iman Passand in the US
Alphonso
Iman Passand
Kesar
Mallika
Neelam
Paheri - the Jamaican ‘Bombay’
Sonpari

And these less-common ones (at least here):

Ambika
Ameeri
Amini
Amrapali
Arka Neelkiran
As lul moquarar
Borsha - might fruit for first time
Dasheri
Gilas
“Himsagar” - brought from India by Ron Hensley in 90s, not the Himsagar of West Bengal
Janardhan Passand
Jehangir
Jumbo Kesar - May not actually be jumbo
Langra Benarasi (?) - not the same as in India
Mahmood Vikarabad
Malda
Panchadara Kalassa
Pedda Rassam
Prince
Royal Special
Rumani - really nice fruit and seems to do well here
Sey Pasala
Shamsul Asamar
Sindhu
Suvarnarheka (Sundari)
Totapuri/Bangalora/Sandersha - lousy ripe. We sell it green
Vanraj
White Alphonso

Some of the older varieties are particularly interesting.....stuff like Amini, Amiri, Borsha . Plus “newer” like Sindhu and Ambika and the ones from Lucknow like As lul muquarar....Though I’m not optimistic about getting the north/central Indian varieties to flower consistently in south Florida.

Squam256,

Have you had Manohar?  I believe it's a Chaunsa seedling, and I'm hoping it fares better in South Florida than its mother.  I've not been able to find any info at all on the web.  I've also got high hopes for Vanraj, but that one's a bit of a mystery as well.

Best regards,
Scott

No I’ve not had Manohar yet but would like to try it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lula or Day Avocado
« on: January 27, 2019, 07:30:37 PM »
I like Lula but I’d rather grow Day. Lula’s flesh/seed ratio is pretty poor.
Would you say the flavor is as good?  I've tasted Lula, and for a Florida avocado I thought it had very good flavor.  I've never tasted Day.

I like Day’s flavor a little better actually.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lula or Day Avocado
« on: January 27, 2019, 04:25:53 PM »
I like Lula but I’d rather grow Day. Lula’s flesh/seed ratio is pretty poor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: January 27, 2019, 04:24:50 PM »
Would like to taste the fruit before I buy the tree , will you have some this season ALEX ?

Maybe if the largest tree has a nice bloom. 2 smaller ones could hold a few as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mangoes in Florida
« on: January 27, 2019, 04:07:52 PM »
We’re growing these “common” Indian varieties:
Alampur Baneshan, which may be the same as Iman Passand in the US
Alphonso
Iman Passand
Kesar
Mallika
Neelam
Paheri - the Jamaican ‘Bombay’
Sonpari

And these less-common ones (at least here):

Ambika
Ameeri
Amini
Amrapali
Arka Neelkiran
As lul moquarar
Borsha - might fruit for first time
Dasheri
Gilas
“Himsagar” - brought from India by Ron Hensley in 90s, not the Himsagar of West Bengal
Janardhan Passand
Jehangir
Jumbo Kesar - May not actually be jumbo
Langra Benarasi (?) - not the same as in India
Mahmood Vikarabad
Malda
Panchadara Kalassa
Pedda Rassam
Prince
Royal Special
Rumani - really nice fruit and seems to do well here
Sey Pasala
Shamsul Asamar
Sindhu
Suvarnarheka (Sundari)
Totapuri/Bangalora/Sandersha - lousy ripe. We sell it green
Vanraj
White Alphonso

Some of the older varieties are particularly interesting.....stuff like Amini, Amiri, Borsha . Plus “newer” like Sindhu and Ambika and the ones from Lucknow like As lul muquarar....Though I’m not optimistic about getting the north/central Indian varieties to flower consistently in south Florida.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: January 27, 2019, 03:38:22 PM »
M-4 seems to have a relatively spreading growth habit from what I’ve seen.

Like Beverly and coconut cream? As in would they go well together on a multigrafted tree?

Yes I think so.

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