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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zills top tier Mango Sugar Loaf
« on: December 09, 2018, 06:01:01 PM »
Does Sugarloaf Mango have any coconut flavor in it?

Yes, particularly on the riper side.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zills top tier Mango Sugar Loaf
« on: December 07, 2018, 10:47:33 AM »
I wonder if it's bacterial black spot resistant
The disease is going to cover the whole area and wipe out everything from my experience.. if not resistant

I speculate that it’s going to be resistant based on it being an Edward seedling and observed resistance by Edward progeny (Angie, Harvest Moon, Seacrest, Duncan, and Coconut Cream). However It is also worth noting that these all likely contained genes from the Julian or Philippine lines (Duncan). Sugarloaf’s paternal parent may be Pettigrew (whose own level of resistance is unclear).

But we won’t know for sure until more of the Sugarloaf trees fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First flowers on a mango, Woo Hoo!
« on: December 07, 2018, 10:43:39 AM »
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Also, PlantOGram describes the tree as a semi-dwarf, is that statement accurate? or again, are they referring to a different mango variety?

I don’t know if what they’re selling is Walter Zill’s ‘Guava’, but if it is then I would say “No”.

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We’re growing Harumanis but not Mahathir.

We don’t sell Harumanis trees but do sell the budwood from about April to September if you wanted to graft it yourself.

Sounds good. How much for the budwood? Also does the fruit rank highly grown in Florida?

$4 per scion.

Harumanis is an average quality mango compared to a lot of what we’re growing now. It’s mostly requested only by Indonesians. We’re undecided as to whether we’ll continue growing it in the long run.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 Mango season (Florida) flower stimuli
« on: November 28, 2018, 06:47:26 PM »
Partial bloom sounds right.

It seems like there are 2 factors that stimulate bloom, one is length of time / # of chill hours, but another seems to be "shock" (number of degree difference from one day to the next). Going from highs in the high 80's to a sudden drop into the low 50's (high 40's with wind chill?) over a < 24 hour period is a big slap in the face. A more gradual decline in temps has less of an effect... in my experience at least.

I've also seen cold sensitive trees crash and die with lows well above temps that would normally kill them, due to the shock of a quick drop. When plants have a chance to acclimate, the shock is much less.

It’s enough to ignite easily triggered varieties  like Rosigold, Dwarf Hawaiian, Rosa and Edward to a full bloom if they haven’t started already but it isn’t enough to stimulate a full bloom on most other cultivars, particularly when the highs are going right back into the mid-80s over the weekend/early part of next week.

More likely to see some partial bloom on a lot of stuff. A longer cold spell spanning a week + would do a lot more. 2 weeks of nighttime temps below 60F is ideal.

Yes there is a shock affect. Temps below 50 F, like which we’re experiencing now, tend to produce a better bloom response as well compared to 50s weather.

A number of trees have recently flushed growth due to the warm fall temps and some are even finishing growth flushes right now. With the exception of certain cultivars ( Rosa, Pim Sen Mun and Ah Ping being  a couple examples at our location), “young” , more recent growth will need a couple more months to have a floral response to a cold front.

Hopefully we can avoid extended periods of highs in the 80s and get more lows in the 50s or low 60s, rather than the 70s that we’ve seen much of the last few winters. A complete bloom makes things so much easier for growers like me than the sporadic multiple blooms like last year.

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We’re growing Harumanis but not Mahathir.

We don’t sell Harumanis trees but do sell the budwood from about April to September if you wanted to graft it yourself.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First flowers on a mango, Woo Hoo!
« on: November 28, 2018, 10:23:34 AM »

April or May depending on if we have another late blooming year. Wouldn’t surprise me if we did as we do not get Winters in south Florida anymore.

All those ought to be available.

Seriously?  It’s in the low 40s as I type this.

And going right back into the 80s by Saturday. Check the projected temps for the first week of December (highs and lows) and compare them to historical average.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 Mango season (Florida) flower stimuli
« on: November 28, 2018, 10:20:51 AM »
It’s enough to ignite easily triggered varieties  like Rosigold, Dwarf Hawaiian, Rosa and Edward to a full bloom if they haven’t started already but it isn’t enough to stimulate a full bloom on most other cultivars, particularly when the highs are going right back into the mid-80s over the weekend/early part of next week.

More likely to see some partial bloom on a lot of stuff. A longer cold spell spanning a week + would do a lot more. 2 weeks of nighttime temps below 60F is ideal.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Fruit ID?
« on: November 24, 2018, 01:03:03 PM »
How’d you end up enjoying it Ed? I picked one up as well and detected some sweet notes so assumed it was lula as well. Mine wasn’t quite as elongated. Thought it was quite good though.

I believe it has convinced me to grow lula over Monroe, mostly because I haven’t heard anyone growing monroe  up here and lula stays on the tree for a while.

Lula definitely has better cold hardiness in the event you get freezes. Only issue in interior areas is that it can get quite a bit of scab.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Fruit ID?
« on: November 24, 2018, 12:50:33 AM »
Could be an elongated Lula. ‘Hall’ is another possibility.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First flowers on a mango, Woo Hoo!
« on: November 23, 2018, 03:53:10 PM »
Nice!! Another of the benefits of having 270 different varieties...  :D :D. Alex, when do you think you will have scions available again?  I'm assuming some of your newer varieties will not flower this year. Will you be selling scions of those earlier than after harvest? I was interested in Orange Essence, M-4, and honey kiss. Possibly some others. Thanks!

E.

April or May depending on if we have another late blooming year. Wouldn’t surprise me if we did as we do not get Winters in south Florida anymore.

All those ought to be available.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First flowers on a mango, Woo Hoo!
« on: November 19, 2018, 08:41:53 PM »
Flowers on the Rosigolds, Edwards, Rosas, dwarf Hawaiians and a Graham as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fralon Mango
« on: November 03, 2018, 02:55:15 PM »
Falan often has a splitting problem for us. Flesh is orange, has a bit of a vegetable component in its flavor, paper thin seed. Produces well. Seen it throw some off-season bloom this year but no fruit amounted from that.

We have it around for green purposes.

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I just snagged a FL Super Hass Saturday, nice, healthy specimen from Fruitscapes on Bokeelia.  What I didn't know is they have Nishikawa trees there also, I wish I had bought mine there.  Their stuff is so much better quality than Top Tropicals, and much cheaper.

And more likely to be properly Labelled as well.

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Enjoyed a delicious Super Hass from our tree this morning. You would be hard pressed to tell the difference between this and regular Hass:



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cotton Candy Mango
« on: October 24, 2018, 06:13:37 PM »
It hasn’t really tasted like Coconut to me.

As far as why it wasn’t discussed much this last season, the only large producing tree had a fairly light crop this year.  Last year it had a huge crop though.

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We’re growing Super Hass (“Oolala”) and Nishikawa. Both are excellent but I haven’t tasted them next to each other to compare. Our Nishikawa has no fruit this year but Supwr Hass has some after taking last year off.

Do you not have any Nishikawa this year because it is too young to support fruit or did it bear fruit last year but not this year?

Had some fruit last year but none this year. It’s not a big tree and has grown slowly.

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We’re growing Super Hass (“Oolala”) and Nishikawa. Both are excellent but I haven’t tasted them next to each other to compare. Our Nishikawa has no fruit this year but Supwr Hass has some after taking last year off.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to prevent Mango from blooming
« on: October 15, 2018, 12:21:43 PM »
Gibberellic Acid will inhibit bloom but doesn’t work on all cultivars and I suspect would be even less effective in California

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID this Mango (Picture attached)
« on: September 26, 2018, 08:36:23 PM »
Color and shape look like Bombay.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sienta Lone Mango
« on: September 17, 2018, 09:24:29 PM »
Behl... I believe I got our scions from dongeorgio. USDA lost their tree if I recall correctly from my email conversations with Mike W at USDA.
It seems to be a vigorous grower with larger spacing between nodes.
Maybe will get fruit next year.  Lost quite a bit of foliage on the 7/06 heatwave.

Lol, why would I not be surprised that they lost another rare mango.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID These mangoes (Pics)
« on: September 17, 2018, 06:30:16 PM »
The second photo does Look like Jehangir

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sienta Lone Mango
« on: September 17, 2018, 06:28:33 PM »
We’re growing it. Maybe next year but Probably 2020 until first fruit. Has performed horribly at the USDA.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango ID wrong cultivar?
« on: September 05, 2018, 11:08:31 PM »
It’s funny how oddly shaped a lot of these come out over there

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Topworking cogshall
« on: September 05, 2018, 10:28:25 AM »
Honey Kiss can get internal breakdown as well.

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