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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Southern highbush blueberry
« on: August 06, 2020, 10:05:10 PM »
If you can buy blueberry plants at a nursery near you then yes.

Go to Home Depot paint dept. there you will find a 3 part yellow extendable pole goes maybe 24í. Get a clamp or 2 like they use for car hoses. Attach the cheaper red wire basket to the end of the pole with the clamps. I have been using this for 20 years. The very expensive end piece with basket will hold a lot of mangoes but you asked for a long rig. If you have it extended out because of leverage more than 2 fruits in the expensive picker will be toooo hard to bring down without them falling and the leverage weight will exhaust you. Maybe you should just lower your trees. If you do that then Iíd definitely recommend that super duper deluxe expensive picker because with a shorter stiffer pool pole you will be able to get a lot of fruit in the bag and have way better control. And with your height combined with the poles length you may not be able to get the cutting part of the expensive rig in itís proper cutting position since it will be 30 feet up.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: July 22, 2020, 09:23:11 PM »
Hereís another 2 things to consider and maybe try. This ainít gospel just another thing to try that I recently started doing after 18 years of grafting. First the blade itís a Dewalt 25 mm. Cuts like Butter. And donít free hand your cuts. Lay it down and pull the scion through the knife. Like riding a Rolls!

Close up photo looks like it has buds that will pop.

Close up photo looks like it has buds that will pop.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: July 22, 2020, 05:34:08 PM »

Guanabanus said longer wedges work better and to that important comment I will add that you are setting yourself up for failure the way and places you are doing your grafts. You have been semi blaming failures on everything but the real problem. Before I tell you I want to tremendously compliment you on your opening presentation it was poetic and phenomenal and shows the depths of your understanding and intelligence but who the hell am I to judge!!! I did love and appreciate every word.
So your grafts are put in areas that cause rotting (intersections where water and moisture will sit with bacteria)  so you should do what the almost all knowing and extremely experienced professional grafter Guanabanus said plus move the grafts up a lot at least 2 or more inches from those intersections you are shoving the scions into. And try to make your cuts at a minimum 50% of the length of the scion and more is even better. That's what all the research shows. But never go into those intersections or those beautiful cuts you made will eventually rot. And I'm serious you made spectacularly perfect surgical cuts on both sides.

My grafts are all done the conventional way with budding/buddy tape and then the clips are applied wherever I felt my approximations in one or both planes might have been imperfect. The small clips are all designed for tomato grafts but fit small diameter combinations of shoots and scions when joined with budding tape.

I had a similar mango tree problem 6 months ago. I came home one day and the Lemon M almost 3 y/o sized tree was laying on its side. I was pissed because I thought someone took a baseball bat and knocked it over. I looked where the impact was and could not find any. Then I saw why it went down. In Irma the tree was blown over and because the bark on the side the tree was leaning on separated bacteria etc were eating away more bark from underneath. So I started to remove the not attached bark until it was almost 3/4ths of the entire diameter. The most famous avocado expert on this TFF told me to leave it when I asked him if I should top it as high as I can but below the diseased part. I topped it and I'm glad I did because I have at least 10 branches coming out and it's exploding with growth. Your case looks way worse than mine with serious deep trunk damage so in my opinion do it because you'll be very happy when you see how fast it will recover unless it's rotten down the insides. Believe me with the rain and this high growth time within 3 weeks you will be soooo happy when you see the buds popping out and really taking off. I put a short video below of 4 Mango trees I had to do this to in the last 6 months and you will see exactly what I mean. These 4 mango trees I tried to nurse them back to health with various problems and then treatments for at least a year and they never got healthy so I just went ahead and topped them above their respective grafts as high as possible.

It is necessary to fixate a bone fracture when the 2 parts donít align properly and when there will be excess motion. If not prolonged healing will occur along with excess bone callous between the parts in an attempt to hold the parts together and fill up the spaces between the parts that has air space between them and not bone to bone. Likewise sometimes while doing Mango grafts our cuts on each side or the curvatures of each part doesnít allow the parts to align or lay on each other perfectly. The grafting clips in the video below can compensate for our grafting weaknesses and for scions or branches that curve up or down or side to side by holding the pieces together where itís crucial.
I was making a list in my head while doing these of all the advantages to using clips and Iíll tell a few that I can think of.
So when you attach these 3/16-5/16Ē scions with budding (Buddy) tape and you are doing it on a very thin new shoot that can easily get pulled off at its base as you pull the buddy tape tight to secure the scion you donít have to do that anymore...pull tight.
Why? Because when you apply the clip it supplies just enough pressure down on the 2 sides to bring them together but not crush them.
Also if your cuts arenít perfect the clip makes up for that.
Since you are using very thin diameter scions being attached to very thin shoots when you make the cut into the shoot deep enough a lot of the time that shoot that has heavy leaves on top becomes structurally unstable but when you attach the scion with buddy tape itís still is unstable but with the clips across the 2 pieces the weakened thinned out portion becomes supported by the ďpatchĒ which is the scion and the ďglueĒ which is the clips.
Also sometimes when you make your entry with your knife into the scion the angle can be a bit too steep so when you attach it to the shoot the top part will not lie flat on the shoot. Here we try to press with our fingers the 2 parts together and twist the tape to make it stronger than tie the pieces together hoping that the pressure from the 2 parts to pop up doesnít happen. But now we just have to put a clip there to hold the parts together. A lot of times youíll have a scion that curves to the right or curves to the left or itís just curves back-and-forth to forward back and even if you cut the scion as perfect as possible when you line everything up you have to like push part of it over. But with the clips you can compensate for that and straighten it out and itíll stick in place. In the video you see 2Ē clothes pins. The branch of the tree curved upwards. This scion really needed to be pulled down on its top and itís base and the center. It was so stiff it would have been worthless to tie it down because nothing could hold it down enough except a clip/clothes pin with lots of constant downward pressure keeping the parts stick together till it heals together just like a fixated bone.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Haas and Haas Carmen
« on: July 20, 2020, 07:54:58 PM »
6 years ago I brought back from California 5 tiny Haas Carmen trees in a Samsonite suitcase to Miami. Previously I tried to grow about 5 other Haas related avocado varieties. The Haas the main Haas would develop for awhile then fail. My 6 year old Haas Carmen trees produce a lot of fruit and they taste exactly like the fruit in Publix.
They do turn black on the tree and the season is the first week in November to Feb. I asked about them turning black on the tree in Cal because they do turn black on the tree in Miami. But even though they ripen way earlier than Cal Carmenís they are just as delicious. There is only 1 person that propagates them in Florida as itís off patent but he isnít able to call it Carmen yet as itís still copy protected. He calls them Mexican Haas. He is in Homestead. Here is a video of one of my trees.

In the spring up till the beginning of June we were in drought conditions so fertilizers had a better chance of causing burns. And also watering is very subjective. There are so many factors that effect how much water gets down to the roots which I wonít get into that also could have effected those leaves. Additionally when I used the Harís fertilizer I got the same problem you did on many of my trees. Please donít think I am badmouthing the fertilizer. I just probably misused it by applying too much to those trees at the wrong time without enough rain to stop it from causing burns. So your signs and symptoms of a problem will probably pass if you let Mother Nature get that tree back to neutral by flushing out the fertilizer as it continues to rain during our rainy season. Good luck. I know your frustration with this problem itís a horrible to experience this big unknown. PS I just remembered that when I had your problem it occurred mostly on smaller trees than yours and I thought that perhaps the fertilizer had too much boron. But that was a wild guess.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Haas and Haas Carmen
« on: July 20, 2020, 01:18:40 AM »
Can one of you Californians please answer this question. The Haas avocados in Cal can be eaten in November but you leave them on the trees to become better as time passes. If they turn black/brown say Thanksgiving will they stay on the tree till May/June/? Do they stay green on the trees all the ay to May/June?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first time mango owner, need help
« on: July 18, 2020, 02:11:20 PM »
You have no other problem except you needed to water that tree way more than you did. Up until a few weeks ago we were in a drought. The brown edges occurred when your tree was very thirsty. As a beginner you need to be a lot more conscious of your soilís water saturation especially a potted tree. I had a few in pots during that time period and went out almost every day to water them. And hereís another tip. When mango leaves turn yellow it usually means it got too much water.
 When you are going to put this tree in the ground of course youíll need to put it in a decent distance from your house because itís a VP. When you dig the hole for the tree make sure you make it pretty deep and pretty wide (2.5í X 2.5-3í) and youíre gonna need a pic to break through the rock because in Miami when you go down maybe six or 8 inches 10 inches under the topsoil itís rock so itís gonna be a lot of work. Throw that earth in your green trash can and only use the homemade perfect 6.6 ph soil they put together at Galloway Farms Nursery on SW 87th Ave across from Norman Brothers. Youíll need 4-5 bags at $3.99 each. Remember that after you put each bag of soil either on the bottom of the hole or when filling the area around the soil surrounding the tree from the pot to wet and stand on the new soil to compress it down or else youíll have major problems like  the soil will dry out super fast cause it wonít hold water if not compressed or your tree might get blown away. Never step on that soil from the pot. Good luck. PS I spent way more money on the super special soil the last 10 years than what I paid for my trees. And it was way worth the $. If you come by here you will know itís the truth when you see mango tree perfection!

Spaugh I have a question for you.
When your Haas have reached full size have they turned black yet? When do your Haas turn black?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Zill Mango Variety?
« on: July 17, 2020, 02:07:02 PM »
All the contributors about a fast growing trees are leaning on new Zill varieties for choices as per your request.  The beast of all beasts for rapid growth is the Valencia Pride and itís not a Zill.  It will grow at least 6 feet every year. It is a child of Haden and its fruit is better tasting and bigger and fiberless and very juicy. As for squirrels Iíll teach you something that took me many years to figure out. If you pick your fruit before a certain ďinflection pointĒ the point when the squirrels can smell that the fruit is ready to be picked and eaten by them, you will be able to avoid 90%+ of their damage and destruction. If you only will have 1 tree then it will be easy to stay on top of it. And as time goes by youíll be able to figure out that inflection point of each of you Valencia Prides because youíll become very familiar with that fruitís ripening signs which are mostly color changes. Then you just bring it inside and let it ripen. It just so happens that around July 15th in Miami has ďnormallyĒ been around the time all VPís should be off oneís tree. But of course this year was crazy early.

For what itís worth if you donít like spicy strong or turpentined flavors everything that  bsullie (Rob) says is gospel not me. Yes for a slow growing smaller tree that makes a lot of mangoes that are pretty good your Pickering is a good choice. The next one is up to you but read all of Robs comments over the years and youíll make a great 2nd choice too. I based all my decisions for over 200 Mango trees on his comments over the last 5 years and Im happy as heck with what I have. He has an amazing talent which goes way further than just experience.  You can probably start at the 2020 tastings then go back to 2015 forward. Or start at 2015 and go forward looking at his entries.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart vs Cecilove Mango
« on: July 11, 2020, 06:27:21 PM »
I got to taste my own Kathy mangoes this year. My eyes lit up along with my wifeís and Iíve been lamenting the fact that I have no more space since the last one was eaten. BUT Rob just said a Phoenix is better than Kathy so now Iím feeling great because I have a few of them. Thanks Rob. From experience our taste buds are twins. Again I owe you more than you can imagine.

Iím saying this opinion from my own tastes and if the reader has other tasting opinions please forgive me.
I am converting 4 of my trees by coincidence right now because their fruits arenít even close to the qualities of some old standards and especially the new Zillís and they are my 1 Dwarf Hawaiian and my 3 Mahaís. The novelty of the earliness of DH is outweighed by its inconsistent flavors. If you are from the Islands and love strong and spicy like Julie go for it. Maha is perhaps the most beautiful mango but also the novelty of its beauty and shape and color doesnít make up for its less than great taste. So why waste a space when you can get a ďsupremelyĒ delicious Zill. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango trees
« on: July 11, 2020, 06:00:24 PM »

Rob I have a question. Last time I drove past W Zillís I remember hid trees were big and old. I also noticed his foliage was pretty dense. Is it at all possible that if you keep your trees very short without caring how many mangoes the tree will produce so say the trees are pruned down to 6í after harvest and the centers completely opened up for sunlight and circulation of air is it possible that the sunshine and air might kill the bacteria and hence minimal bbs disturbances if at all?

I have 4 Keitt trees in Miami and I live near the turnpike. The trees are 15 to 20 years old. I usually pick the fruit around Aug 16th every year. This insane year they were picked starting 3 weeks ago around the 2nd week of June. They took 2-3 weeks to soften up. Of course no color changes just softening up is the signal its ready to eat. Never had Mango bacterial black spot only a slight propensity to get mango scale which hasnít been bad enough to mess up the fruits beautiful green skin. Keitt is not close to a Sweet Tart or a Lemon Zest in flavor and texture but it is sweet and a bit tart. Fiber is minor and never gets in the way of enjoyment. We sent about 25 up to my son in lawís mom in Brooklyn and she keeps calling and begging for more. And they are very big mangoes. 2 years ago I went to visit my son in Israel and put 33 Keitts in my suitcase cushioned with lots of bubble bags. When they ripened the kids went crazy on the Keitts. They loved them and the supermarkets in Israel were full of Keitts but almost half the size of my Miami ones. But if BBS will ruin your crop thatís another story. But Keitt is a great mango in its own right. If you want to take a chance on a Keitt tree itís probably a good idea not to buy one from an area that has BBS. Right behind my daughterís house in Miami Beach is a Keitt tree that must be at least 50 years old and right now it has a zillion giant 2.6-4 lb perfectly clean fruit. Everything that was over the fence we already took and ate and they were great!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit thieves rant
« on: July 04, 2020, 12:53:17 AM »
If one catches a thief what can you yourself do to that person? Can you attack and beat the crap out of them or just ask them nicely to leave the fruit?

To all Carrie dislikers. If you open one up 2 days before you think itís perfectly ripe you will find that the fruit tastes OK.

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