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 Nate I don't know much about sapotes but in general I think malformed leaves are commonly causes by insects attacking the leaf buds as they begin to open.  I usually spray insecticide on my trees new growth

Is there a reason that mamey would be a preferred rootstock rather than grafting onto another green sapote seedling?  Assuming you had them handy.

I ask because I have a green sapote but no mamey, and I don't plan to get a mamey nor can I find them locally.  But I might be able to plant green sapote seeds and graft mature scion onto those.

nm, I found an answer to my question:

Sounds like green sapote scion on green sapote rootstock should be fine.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: best Pummelo?
« on: February 23, 2021, 09:37:12 PM »
I have a Valentine but its first crop for me wasn't as good as Chandler.  I'm hoping it improves next year, sometimes I just get a bad citrus crop on some trees. 
I really dislike the 'Sweetie' type... Oroblanco?  Which is always highly rated.  I suspect there is either a lot of crop variance or a lot of subjectivity in people's pummelo tastes.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: where to get C35 rootstocks
« on: February 23, 2021, 09:34:37 PM »
in bulk, yes, but I think the issue is nobody can find small quantities

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to get pouteria viridis
« on: February 23, 2021, 09:20:53 PM »
I wish I could find a picture from when I received it, I don't think I took one though.  This one actually has two nursery tags because I had ordered one from TopTropicals around the same time that died almost immediately, so I put its extra tag on this one.

I'll take a closer picture of what I think is the graft line if it is grafted - it is right at the bottom of the flowers in that picture

EDIT - here it is

I'm just going to assume this is grafted, I don't remember where I got it, and I lost track of the seedling I have a record of ordering... rather than having some freak precocious green sapote.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to get pouteria viridis
« on: February 23, 2021, 08:15:31 PM »
Beautiful brian! I'm surprised it's flowering so soon. Great job.


Is it typical for green sapote SEEDLING to flower after only a couple years and at a small size?  I am wondering if maybe I picked up a grafted one at Excalibur when I was there but I'm pretty sure I didn't.  I definitely have an email from buying a seedling green sapote from ebay Aug 2018 and I don't recall one dying.  The tree flowering in my picture does kinda look like it has a graft line so I am l doubting myself now that this is actually a seedling, but that's what the receipt says.  This site says they take ~7 years from seed to fruit?  Mine can't be more than four. 

Im curious too, I also have both (and some other garcinias)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to get pouteria viridis
« on: February 23, 2021, 12:53:05 PM »
I got one a couple years ago from the seller 'safenut' on ebay.  They are in Hawaii, looks like they ship to CA.  I paid $27+shipping in 2018.  They are still selling them now, $40 + shipping.

it looks like mine is flowering now... is this what green sapote flower buds look like? 

Citrus General Discussion / Re: best Pummelo?
« on: February 23, 2021, 12:40:39 PM »
Here is link to the fruits taste test done by fruit mentor.  Very interesting.

Ah, yes that's the article.  I strongly disagree with most of the opinions in it, but it is nice to see the varieties listed out. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tasting
« on: February 21, 2021, 04:56:37 PM »
Im waiting for my covid shots.  Also I'll probably wait for another fruit season as I go to try your avocados last year from the fruit sale :)

Citrus General Discussion / Re: best Pummelo?
« on: February 21, 2021, 04:53:02 PM »
Chandler pomelo is one of my favorite fruits, even though the only ones I have had have been from the grocery store. I remember reading a pomelo comparison on a website once, though I cannot remember where. It was done between several different pomelo varieties being grown in Southern California. I believe Chandler came in dead last, which makes me wonder how great those other varieties are.

W., I also have only tried chandler from grocery store (and now my own tree) and I think I saw the same website you did :)

Sc, thanks for the Thong Dee suggestion.  I will look around and see if I can find and grafted ones, or scion.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: best Pummelo?
« on: February 20, 2021, 07:25:06 PM »
The dry flesh is a big upside for me, I like that i can pull it apart and eat the flesh without gettinf juice everywhere.  And they have a somewhat unique taste for citrus.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone pushing
« on: February 20, 2021, 10:39:37 AM »
Also, check out what poncirusguy did on the Citrus section (

Basically, plant a sensitive tree right next to your house and build a makeshift greenhouse for it in the winter, remove during warmer months. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone pushing
« on: February 20, 2021, 10:37:56 AM »
I haven't tried any outdoor zone pushing, butI would be concerned that a very cold night with wind could blow away any bubble of warm air generated by lights, etc. and leave your plants freezing.  Also, harsh winter storms are exactly when you're most likely to lose power.  I have multiple levels of battery-powered alarms and backup propane canisters so I could heat my greenhouse for a few days even with no power.   This kind of thing isn't really feasible outdoors.  You might be able to get by with christmas lights (and propane heaters for a power loss),  if you can throw up a makeshift tent on the worst cold windy days to keep some heat in, if you keep the trees a reasonable size. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone pushing
« on: February 18, 2021, 07:10:04 PM »
Build a greenhouse :)

I have a heated greenhouse and so far can successfully grow anything I've tried.  I have tomato plants that are years old.  My mango is flowering heavily right now.  I got so much citrus fruit this winter I had to give most of it away I couldn't eat it all.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Lime Tree issues
« on: February 16, 2021, 10:36:56 PM »
When I see my tree leaves are showing a nutrient deficiency I apply a foliar low-concentration fert spray, and also apply a tyical root liquid fert application.  A foliar spray is supposed to be a "quick fix" to correct an immediate issue

Citrus General Discussion / best Pummelo?
« on: February 16, 2021, 10:34:18 PM »
Any opinions on the best pummelo available?  In the USA, I guess.  I really like Chandler, but I haven't tried much else.

Tango is one of the common mandarins sold as "cuties" or "halo" and grocery stores across the country.  It is very slightly pumpkin shaped and less round than the spherical "clementine" type that is also sold under this name.  As far as mandarins go, I don't think Gold Nugget is all that similar to Tango at all.  I've had some good Gold Nuggets from grocery stores, and some good ones from my tree, but overall they tend to be too puffy and over-sweet/not-sour-enough in my experience.

Tango is usually totally seedless, thin skinned, easy peel, sweet with a bit of sour and tasty.  It is a great variety!  But shasta gold is simply better in my opinion :)

Shasta gold has more cell toughness (flesh firmness), which I like.  The rind is a bit thicker but easier to peel in my limited experience (I only got one Shasta crop so far and it was small).   Mix of sour and sweet.   I don't like pure sweet.

My Gold Nugget has always been a weak one.  I think it is just my tree and not the variety in general so I don't want to comment as some kind of authority

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: ISO kumquat
« on: February 16, 2021, 09:31:28 PM »
I recommend getting a grafted Nordmann seedless nagami, Meiwa, Fukushu, or Marumi from any mail order shipper.  They are all great varieties.  I got mine from FourwindsGrowers in CA.  I have seen them from Logees also which has been good to me.

Yeah, Sumo has such a good reputation I want to give it a while before I decide it isn't fantastic.  Could just be a bad crop due to conditions.

Same with Xie Shan.  The Xie Shan fruit I've grown so far weren't amazing, but the tree hasn't been super healthy either.  I am going to give it a few years and see.

My tango was extremely healthy and fruitful, and it was just what I expected, but I was blown away by the very first Shasta Gold crop I had

I'm digging up my Tango tree and replacing it with the Shasta Gold mandarin I have in a container.  Tango is good, but this is better.

I am still on the fence about Sumo.  I'm going to give it another year and see.   My current crop was good but not amazing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What to do when the power is out...
« on: February 14, 2021, 01:01:39 AM »
I keep a few propane tanks and those "Mr heater" attachments as backup heat in case I lose power.  Requires manual setup, but power failures are rare for me.

I hadn't noticed any significant issues with lack of circulation.  I'm sure it isn't optimal this way, but it seems to be just fine for emergencies

That's a really nice looking tree.  No bugs, no discoloration.  Nice and green, and blooming to boot.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: A couple citrus questions and observations
« on: February 12, 2021, 12:29:27 PM »
Does that mean this "Kumchau" is simply another name for Nagami kumquat?  It does look similar to nagami, but a bit fatter than I am used to seeing.  I only have Nordmann Nagami which is shaped a bit differently, so my perception of plain Nagami might be off.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Forum Banner Image
« on: February 11, 2021, 08:56:04 PM »
I see it on Opera on iphone IOS, but I don't see it on firefox on linux

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