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Tropical Fruit Discussion / ISO: Dwarf #8 loquat
« on: Today at 05:16:26 AM »
As some of you may know, the mother tree of Dwarf #8 loquat unfortunately perished in the recent hurricane. So I am reaching out to loquat collectors who purchased budwood of this and could supply me with 10-20 seeds in the future. Or if somehow you still have seeds from this year, they might still be viable as loquat seeds are said to be good for at least six months.

Edit: Sorry, posted in wrong subforum

Har, I have bad news. Though I was able to cut an inch off until there was clean wood, I did not show you the other stem where the same problem exists only at a lower node. Interestingly the tip of the branch looks healthy. Now what do I do? Cut off everything down to the node?

I still don't know the source of this disease. In your videos you would always instruct us to "look above" for the source. Or the underside of leaves for critters. But neither is applicable here. This is a "lone wolf" pest. Some kind of fungus I think.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant Naming Convention Suggestion
« on: September 21, 2020, 10:59:45 PM »
The name Beach cambuca completely dominates in the English speaking world because whoever the first person was went with that name and then everyone copied him. So there's the answer to your popularity contest. You will find the name Beach cabeludinha (Cabulinha da praia) somewhat used in Brazil ( though it takes a back seat to cambuca da praia. Old habits die hard. It must date back to a time when really few Myrtles were known about.

I highly doubt that there are two cultivars of "Branca" jaboticaba. Someone must have shortened "Branca vinho". Ask Adhemar Gomes in Casa Branca (whoops there's another Branca). A mistake was likely made outside of Brazil. You are right to notice that P. aureana and P. phitrantha are considered the same species by official taxonomy.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant Naming Convention Suggestion
« on: September 21, 2020, 10:30:08 AM »
Joe_OC, you seem a little bit inexperienced to be suggesting something like this. We use a mix of both systems, it depends on what is in question. The first problem is that scientists reclassifying species is an ongoing process. Common names on the other hand are more stable. Secondly, a lot of things are unidentified. You would have a lot of different "Garcinia sp." and "Plinia sp." to disambiguate. Thirdly, as has been mentioned here, there are plenty of hybrids that don't always have a neat new binomial, especially when they can be F2 and F3 hybrids. I have asked botanists for the binomial of boysenberry and never gotten a consistent answer. Citrus and dragonfruit are quite messy, and you can't just use the genus name. Fourthly, there are a lot of repeated species names used in many genera. Take names like hispida, cuspidata, macrophylla, chinensis, indica, armeniaca. Saying the full binomial takes more syllables than is practical.

Think of it this way, you are never going to call a grape Vitis vinifera, or a peach Prunus persica. Once rarer things become a bit more established, the common name naturally takes over. Having two systems is more of a help than a hindrance in my view, both should be used in similar frequency.

Having said that, it is a problem that there can be too many common names that are synonyms - it's just something you have to deal with. Can you believe that there are still people who call carambola the "Five corner fruit"? At least star fruit has some imagination. My recent pet hate is hearing "Beach cambuca" for Myrciaria strigipes, when it should be Beach cabeludinha. Appropriating names for things that are not so closely related is dumb in my opinion. Indigenous names are becoming more popular, though they are often a mouthful and too repetitive as well. The best from each world will win out long term.


This photo is from California Tropical Fruit Tree Nursery, allegedly of the cultivar Vista White. Surely this is digitally altered and Akme's photos are correct. I don't understand how any nurseries could upload photoshopped images.

This Coconut Cream seedling was fine all winter. Now all of sudden the tips look like they have been painted with black tar. It's in a container still. No other pests on leaves and not near other trees.

Yes, I will third that.

I think Adam has finally found his feet and is churning out good content that is pertinent to the topic at hand.

But things were a little piloso a while back. He was dabbling in all kinds of side-entertainment and political commentary, also encouraging people to bet money on Hillary to make a surprise return to the presidential race.

Stay focused, you homesteading hombre, and you can't go wrong. Keep your eye on the olho do boi, and your gift of the gab on the jab.


Hey 'Banus, what do you think the leaves here are suffering from? Not many on the tree, but here and there.

Thanks Guanabanus. Do I have to spray the foliage too? Because the Kwan's leaves seem to be completely unaffected by powdery mildew... though I am not sure if they can still covertly harbor the fungus that then ravage the flowers.

My Kwan mango gets powdery mildew every year. I have thought about using mancozeb, but it is quite toxic. Also, the product labels never mention treating mango and when I asked the manufacturer they said they don't know.

I have since read that home remedies are quite effective: 60% milk solution or bicarbonate solution or vinegar solution. Anyone have success with these? I also read neem oil works on powdery mildew, however it is not supposed to be sprayed on flowers. But that is exactly where powdery mildew starts in mangoes...

By the way, which Annona is this one from your post? This is not Annona salzmannii, for sure.

It's Erdon Lee lychee. The image is actually part of his forum signature, so he did not mean it to be relevant to this thread.

By the way, is Beach araticum's outer shell tough enough to avoid fruit flies laying eggs?

Perhaps you were thinking of Plinia clausa, or Plinia valenciana? Though some of these species in the genus could be renamed soon. Because if Aline Stadnik has her way, a good deal of jaboticabas will become Guapurium. Then the Prince of Plinia will just be the Geek of Guapurium.

The varietal names really are getting over the top. Ruby this, velvet that... and children don't ever google peluda (hairy). Personally I'm still holding out for the Diamond 'n Silk jaboticaba.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jumbo Cantaloupe
« on: August 21, 2020, 09:53:06 PM »
Only in Victoria do they call it cantaloupe because, well, they have always been Australia's snobs. Well, maybe they use the term in Tasmania too, because when cousins marry they can't elope.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Crispy jackfruit
« on: August 21, 2020, 09:35:22 PM »
I prefer the terms turgid, flaccid and plasmolyzed.

Hi fermamo2002.

It would really help if you gave a description of what this fruit tasted like, because it is fairly unknown to the West. I think I saw some really nice photos you uploaded on FB, that nice bloody-jam interior would be good to see here. Uploading photos can be a bit tricky on this forum, the easy way is to hit the text "Add image to post" not any of the icons.

Another thing: The genus in question can be quite confusing, as there is Dacryodes macrocarpa and Dacryodes microcarpa. There was also a D. macrophylla but this was renamed to Pachylobus macrophyllus. What you have written matches none of the above. It would be good if you could figure this detail out.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Grapevine in shade
« on: August 02, 2020, 12:35:17 AM »
Is it possible to ripen grapes if the bunches are in the shade and just the leaves are getting sun from above? I have a narrow area blocked off from morning and afternoon sun. So just sunlight from above would hit the overhead trellis. But it would still be a good number of hours.

I have seen trees 3-4m tall in Cairns and, truth be told, they resemble an ugly citrus to my eye.

Edit: More accurately, the foliage reminds me of pomelo.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado grafting
« on: July 22, 2020, 08:22:50 AM »
I did this avocado graft in the Fall and it pushed out some leaves, but I guess I removed the tape too soon. Although it was never as bad as it is now. Is this salvagable? Will it heal long term?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Black Limes Platter
« on: July 20, 2020, 08:03:16 AM »
Been experimenting with black limes and would highly recommend this method of storage, especially for those in cold climates where the season is short. They have an amazing ability to rehydrate and pass on a complex lime flavor to any soup or stew. I am yet to try the famous black lime tea or sour drink, but will give it a go.

I was about to suggest AtRacTOCARPUS fitzalanii based on the thread title

Viable seeds wanted.
Katy, Goldkist and hybrid of two if this should be available.
PM me please.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / ID help
« on: June 01, 2020, 12:19:32 PM »
Appreciate knowing even just the genus of this.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / French translator required
« on: June 01, 2020, 12:01:47 AM »
If there is anyone fluent in French who would like to volunteer a little translation, I am interested to know the characteristics of Eugenia michelii as described here: It is number 27. Pretty much just interested to know what the fruit are like, and how to differentiate from E. uniflora.

Update: Thanks to the person who PM'd me a transcription, which I was able to use in Google Translate. It reads "The fruit is a globose berry, slightly torose or with rounded sides, red in its maturity, crowned by the calyx, and which contains, under a soft flesh, slightly acerbic and refreshing. a globular and monosperm nucleus."

It seems to be the same as E. uniflora. The name is invalid, even though it may show as valid in some databases.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado 24/7 Thread
« on: May 25, 2020, 12:56:22 AM »
What is considered an abnormally large leaf for avocado? I have an unknown seedling that is 1 metre in height and one of the leaves is 33cm (13 inches) long. There was previously shade cloth on the sun-side to block harsh summer sun, maybe this caused it?

I wish I knew whether the ancestry was Mexican or Guatemalan the former having leaves that can be processed as a food additive or to brew tea. Guatemalan leaves are apparently toxic.

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