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A 12-hour day and this is what I scored Three Pounds of organically grown Sapodilla for pickup


"Organically grown???   Hahahahahaha

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Keitt is a good tasting mango, huge and is a very late type.  I heard that the bacterial issues are only common with young trees, once they mature they stay clean.

Nope...go visit Walter Zill and see his Keitts planted in the 1950s.  He loses a lot of fruit every year due to disease.

Just visited someone with a very nice Keitt tree, no issues at all, super clean fruit and huge in size.

MBBS is like Covid-19...give it time and it will spread and increase in all areas.

His tree is not young, and there are other mango trees in the vicinity not affected. He is doing something right I tell'ya.

I am not sure if you are understanding.  MBBS is for real.  Its not taken over every square inch but its in Miami-Dade, Broward,  Palm Beach and Martin Counties to name a few.  Its an airborne disease (in addituon to apread by humans) with no way of stopping where it goes.

MBBS on LZ from a tree in Martin County, just east of the ocean and North of the Lox River.

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If you want to see how devastating it can be, take a visit to Walter Zill's  (and you wont be able to see the three 40' Lemon Zest trees, which wwre once highly productive of spotless delicious fruit, that have been cut down due to the disease).

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Keitt is a good tasting mango, huge and is a very late type.  I heard that the bacterial issues are only common with young trees, once they mature they stay clean.

Nope...go visit Walter Zill and see his Keitts planted in the 1950s.  He loses a lot of fruit every year due to disease.

Just visited someone with a very nice Keitt tree, no issues at all, super clean fruit and huge in size.

MBBS is like Covid-19...give it time and it will spread and increase in all areas.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you identify this fruit?
« on: July 10, 2020, 09:28:50 AM »
Looks a little like he has a macadamia in his grip.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Venus vs K-3
« on: July 09, 2020, 10:00:21 PM »
Both are ZINC seedlings.  Venus has more of a classic type flavor when compared to its parent or siblings.  It is alao known to be prone to MBBS.  Kathy has more of that ZINC flavor profile or a milder Sweet Tart without the tart.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indochinese mangoes
« on: July 09, 2020, 09:54:37 PM »
Modified, thanks for the advice guys.

skhan I tasted a P-22 last year and it was really good. Was told it was out now but I’ve never seen it anywhere. Maybe it’s a special order tree.

Never had buttercream. Is it supposed to be a ZINC sibling? I do have a ZINC tree.

Bruce

P22 was released by ZHPP but not sure you will find it outside of that nursery.  ZHPP is strictly wholesale only (you will need a provide your license documents to purchase there).

Buttercream is an Edward seedling.  Its an uneven shaped (actually ugly) fruit that is sweet and like by many.  It has a soft texture when ripe that to me is offputting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best late season mango
« on: July 09, 2020, 09:44:02 PM »
Is “Lancitilla” still feasible? I’ve always heard mixed reviews and some call it a novelty Mango. I’ve heard it’s late season, giant and good. I’ve also heard it’s bad depending on the opinion.

Lancetilla is not a true late mango.  It gies as late as August but thats it.

Its size makes it a novelty but thats about it.  It has texture of a firm Valencia Pride.  Flavorwise, nothing special.  Picked too early and it has a sourish component in a bad way.  It a mild flavor when fully ripe (maybe it better when grown in its native Honduras).  The fruit is known to split before fully developed.  It is not that productive holding fruit to maturity.  The tree is vigorous and large.. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart vs Cecilove Mango
« on: July 09, 2020, 09:33:21 PM »
Cecil in clusters



Floridians, what a tree sets in California has no bearing on what it will do here.  What is that, a 3 -4 foot tree max?  Most intelligent people would not let their small trees hold any fruit.  It certainly is not going to truly be representative of what the fruit is...and it will put a true beating on that little tree.

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You should be in a micro climate by being in Apollo Beach (not necessarily 9b).  I know someone who lives there with mangoes, avocado, starfruit, sugar apples, canistel and jackfruit that all produce with never any protection and no damage.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: July 09, 2020, 10:53:39 AM »

Satya,

I got an Orange  Essence mango from my tree yesterday. Outstanding mango. I have it grafted onto three trees now :) If space is limited, you might want to go with Honey Kiss. OE is medium vigor but from what I have seen, doesn't stay small.

Keep in mind when you topwork onto an established tree the growth habit if the topworked variety tends to be different (usually more vigorous) than if started from a nursery grafted tree.  For prime examples, look at the towering sizes of the Honey Kiss and Pickering at Walter Zill's.

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Are there any fans of Duncan?

It is very productive and a workhorse year after year, but the mangoes are usually washed out in the first half of the season. It also has a distinctly bitter taste near the skin that I have not seen in any other mango.

It actually has two crops.  Yes, first crop is not usually good although there are exceptions.  The later crop is usually much better and lacks that offputting taste near the skin.  I am not saying its a great mango, just stating a fact.

ZINC also seems has two crops and similarly the late crop is usually distinctly better.

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Keitt is a good tasting mango, huge and is a very late type.  I heard that the bacterial issues are only common with young trees, once they mature they stay clean.

Nope...go visit Walter Zill and see his Keitts planted in the 1950s.  He loses a lot of fruit every year due to disease.

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How's the production of Fairchild, it’s a good tasting little mango.

Bruce

Fairchild is a good producer.  Some complain about the flesh ratio but I feel its flavor quality makes up for that.

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That is for cold protection on the south side of my house. The wall retains heat sometimes it gets cool up here. Julie is an island girl she's cold sensitive 8)

They are no more cold sensitive than any other variety.

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I think you'll be much better off with a dwarf Hawaiian similar flavor to Julie. Dwarf size and very precocious.
I'm willing to have that fight for Julie because my wife was raised on coconut milk and Julie mangoes. In my opinion even if you could see the ocean from your doorstep you're still going to have to spray for anthracnose and powdery mildew so you might as well just get schooled up on it


Yeah the flavor is exceptional.
I see that you planted yours next to a wall, was it because of space?  Having full sun and in a ventilated area should help against fungus right?

Yes, correct.  Keep middle open and lifted iff the ground so air can flow throughout.

Ice Cream is also very prone to  fungus and I have seen the fruit prone to scab.  It will be problematic up against the wall like that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart vs Cecilove Mango
« on: July 07, 2020, 08:49:26 PM »
bsbullie which one do you prefer Phoenix or Kathy and how do they compare? Does Phoenix have a subacid component? I order a Phoenix and will pickup  Saturday :)

Phoenix,  hands down.  I would say its flavor profile is like a cross between Dot and Jakarta/O-15.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart vs Cecilove Mango
« on: July 07, 2020, 05:21:20 PM »
Being that Cecilove is not available what other varieties would come the closest to tasting like sweetart? I have a sweet tart I am just curious.


To stay in the family, Kathy is an option but does not have the district tart component as ST.  It is more of a faint, balanced aubacid component.  To go out of the family box, for a super sweet fruit with the tart component, Pineapple Pleasure is an option (no relationship to ST).

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I am in western broward and here some of the M4 fruit will have a minor shallow skin split. These splits do not go into the flesh.  Bugs enter the split and spoil the fruit. This happens on maybe 10 - 20% of the fruit. If caught early, the fruit can be picked before bugs get in and, if it is mature enough, it will ripen with only minor spoilage at the split.


M4 is also a Keitt seedling but its not in the classic flavor group like the above varieties.   Its probably tops in the coconut group but has shown some signs of the bad traits of Keitt.  I would not count it out however if wanting the coconut flavor.


What are the bad traits that M4 has shown?

Is your tree on one of your "islands" or sitting at ground level and more directly affected by the rains?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart vs Cecilove Mango
« on: July 07, 2020, 01:52:18 PM »
Similar type of profile however I would be curious to see over time and if there is any consistent incorporation of a Carrie component (being its a Carrie seedling pollinated with ZINC) on "nursery grafted" trees.

I think the bigger issue here is that barring getting budwood from a select few, these trees are not being propagated for sale at this time.

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For a Julie, its more than the average Anthracnore found on susceptible varieties.  It can be more that the trouble.  It also has the propensity to be a shy bearer inland and away from the coast.

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M4 is also a Keitt seedling but its not in the classic flavor group like the above varieties.   Its probably tops in the coconut group but has shown some signs of the bad traits of Keitt.  I would not count it out however if wanting the coconut flavor.


What are the bad traits that M4 has shown?

MBBS in some locations (probably with greater exposure) and dirty appearance in western sections but this is normal with many varieties grown out west.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help with newly planted jackfruit
« on: July 07, 2020, 10:54:57 AM »
I have seen this in nursery setring, especially at Excalibur in the past, when the jackfruit get too much water or the pots are sitting in standing water.

If you have complete limerock base where a hole cannit even be dug, then yeas, rock must be removed and area backfield (very common in Western Parkland, Broward County).  Otherwise, no need to dig large and amend (many times that causes harm) for most trees.  There are exceptions such as some of the ultra tropicals like mangosteen.

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Thank you for taking the time to write a very extensive reply very informative thank you very much. Is there any indication from the producing tree of the fruiting season?

It was around mid July.

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If the Keitt has MBBS, leaving part of the tree will lead to better chance of new variety to be affected.

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Squirrels don't necessarily eat fruit just because they're ripe. Once they know it is a food source they will eat it whether it's ripe or underripe. The squirrels are ravaging the magoes in my yard that are far from being ripe. I would not just go buy a fruit eaten by a squirrel that looks to have color to its flesh as it sits on the ground. You should pick the fruit based on its actual color snd ripeness as it hangs on the tree.

Honey Kiss should not be picked till they have a color change.  If not, they can succumb to internal rot at the stem.  They will also not have that honey flavor component they are known for.

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