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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Covid
« on: August 09, 2020, 02:56:42 PM »
Get well soon !

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone 9A tropical fruit recommendation
« on: August 09, 2020, 06:30:49 AM »
There are 2 types of strawberry guava ( P cattleyanum).
One makes yellow guava called lemon guava and the otther makes violet guavas called strawberry guava.
I have both of these with fruit now and the yellow one fruits more prolically.
Not sure if they can be breed by cuttings but i trimmed them just a week ago.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone 9A tropical fruit recommendation
« on: August 08, 2020, 06:22:31 PM »
SeaWalnut - you grow pink guava outdoors in ground or in pot?
johnb51 - no I have never eaten white sapote, but I have read it's fantastic, don't know its fruiting time but will search for seeds
I grow the pink guava in a pot in heated greenhouse with double walls .
Its verry sensitive to cold.Would not withstand 0 degree C .
Feijoa however ,can withstand minus 17 C.
In the pot in the middle its the tropical pink guava.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone 9A tropical fruit recommendation
« on: August 08, 2020, 05:10:13 PM »
Feijoa its related to guava and would grow well in your area.
Its also heavy feeder and fast growin.I have 2 meters tall bushes grown from seeds in just 2 years.
I have a tropical pink guava( grafted) thats suposedly the most cold hardy cultivar of the tropical ones but when it feels cold ,her leaves turn a deep red and fall.
Its not deciduous but behaves like deciduous for me.

Ugni Molinae or chilean guava its also cold hardy and the best tasting guava altough small.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse recommendations.
« on: August 08, 2020, 03:44:04 AM »
If you are good at building i can reccomend you a geodesic dome like my greenhouse.
Due to the dome shape i realised that i dont need any cooling in the summer due to the chimney effect created by the 5 windows opened on the roof and entrance door opened.
I will still make a cooling sistems that will consist of a transparent waterfall integrated in the entrance door and with honney combs structures made from transparent plastic( like the regular evaporative cooling pannels just instead of cartboard infused with glass i will make my own DIY honney combs pannel from transparent plastic).
A geodesic dome like mein its not an easy build thogh.
A cheaper alternative for a dome would be the ziptiedomes system but you cant cover it in polycarbonate,just foil.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=31675.0

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: The original cantaloupe
« on: August 08, 2020, 03:20:08 AM »
By ,,powderry,, i mean it has the texture of bananas.Soft and without fibers,creamy but in a non slippery way.
This picture should clarify what i mean about the consistency.

This is the rind that left after i ate the cantaloupe with a spoon.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: The original cantaloupe
« on: August 08, 2020, 01:03:11 AM »
https://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/95957/
Yea,thats it.It has deep ridges and smooth skin.Its not necesarely that flattened thogh but in the pictures from Davesgarden its a real cantaloupe there.
EDIT:Jared ( Weirdfruit explorer) tryed the variety Charentais wich is a real cantaloupe.
https://youtu.be/LOiCJmfDqn4
Says it tastes different than regular yellow melons and much better but that they are expensive.
Interesting that he compares it with durian and altough the smell its nice to me,i had people complaining about the smell and also said it smells like durian  :D.
He is right that because they are soft ,supermarkets and sellers dont like them because they are perishable.
Supermarkets and business owners sell hard fruits that have a longer shelf life and taste inferior.

I grew Charentais this year. I didn't realize european muskmelons were so uncommon. I got one melon so far. I wouldn't call the texture powdery, but maybe if it had been riper? It had a nice sweet musky flavor, reminding me of ripe jackfruit, or maybe durian. It was a little bit creamy. I picked it when only half was really ripe, because walking by the plant I could smell the sweet musky smell of the fruit, and thought it must be ready. One side was nice and sweet, the other not so sweet. I definitely would not say it beat a good mango, but it was tasty.

https://www.rareseeds.com/store/vegetables/bulk-vegetables/melon/charentais-melon
In order to beat the best mango you have to eat it with a little sugar.
On its own it lacks the sweeteness to beat a mango but the strong smell,the aroma and texture,everything beats mango except the sweeteness.
Mango from South America here costs 1,5 dollars a kilo and the cantaloupe wich is grown locally costs 1 dollar a kilo.
For sure people here prefer it to mango and the cantaloupes sell fast while the mangoes rot in the store.

The seeds i have are superiour to the french Chanterais .
The melons i have grow a lot bigger than Chanterais.
Its verry nice that i caught your interest and you realised they are rare in the US wich also intrigued me and thats why i give a few batches of seeds for free.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: The original cantaloupe
« on: August 07, 2020, 10:41:46 PM »
An update: i counted the seeds from the cantaloupe in the pictures and they are roughly 500-600 seeds.
I will send each package with about 100 seeds .
But if you are in contact with otther friends from the forum ,you can tell me in PM if you want more seeds so you can share them with your friends.( also for free as i dont give these seeds for a business).
I will use the cheapest post option to send them as these are not recalcitrant seeds and can be viable long time .
You can plant them next spring outdoor .

And the reason on why i give these seeds for free is because in USA you dont have cantaloupes ,you probably never tasted one and you will have a shock( pleasant) when you will first time eat them.
It has a custardy texture,extremely strong smell and if you add a little sugar on it it easily beats the best mango.

The melon thats called cantaloupe in USA its a inferiour mellon wich is not even the right specie .Its mistakenly called a cantaloupe but il send you the real deal wich is a totally different fruit and plant specie.

Jared,the Weird fruit explorer explains it well in his youtube channel ,how in USA ,another specie of melon thats inferior its called a cantaloupe and how he paid a fortune on a tiny ,real cantaloupe from Europe.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Melon-choly
« on: August 07, 2020, 08:33:56 PM »
Seawalnut, I am not a fan of most melons, mostly just watermelons.  You grow sone good watermelons?  What do you have?
I dont grow them but my friend grows them for a lifetime as a business.
I made a forum thread about the best of the best,the real cantaloupe ( Cucumis Melo var Cantaloupensis) .
Thats why i dig this old thread of Mike,because i made a forum about cantaloupes myself.
More details in my forum thread.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: The original cantaloupe
« on: August 07, 2020, 08:29:53 PM »
Francis_Eric, the red watermelon is native to Africa but the cantaloupes could be native to Africa and also Syria.
The cantaloupe its the best of the best from all the melons.
Its not too sweet but if you add a little sugar on it then its one of the best fruits in the world.

Its scarce but not an endangered specie and verry rare in USA from what i read where they call cantaloupe mistakenly another specie.
The cantaloupe its not just a traditional name,its in the scientific name of the plant (var Cantaloupensis).

If you want seeds,send me PM as i want to send these in USA because you dont have them there .
Altough a subtropical fruit ,it fruits fast and can be grown in colder climates too like my friend grows then in zone 6 .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Melon-choly
« on: August 07, 2020, 08:14:13 PM »
Are you growing watermelons Mike?  Have any select types you like?
Asking Mike about watermelons is like asking me about cangoroo steaks  ;D.
They have good watermellons in Australia but nothing near the the quality we have in Romania.
This melon he calls it ,,jumbo,, its tiny ,mediocre and not even a true Cucumis Melo var Cantaloupensis.
I have the best seeds if you want to grow an outstanding fruit.

As for digging the old topics,i read the forum like a book and i find good informations on older threads.
I simply write the fruit im interested in the search bar and read all the forum threads about it .
From Mike T posts i really got convinced that the cantaloupes are scarce and tiny or hibridised in Australia.

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After half a day of work ( thogh this is relaxing for me and i dont consider it work) i colected all these roots and logs from the river bed.
This should be enough to heat my greenhouse for a whole winter .Its  more than a cubic meter and a half of wood.


After i look better on one of the roots,i discover it has truffles on it.
These are symbiotic fungi that help the trees to colect water and nutrients in exchange for sugars (sugar is a premium  carbon source,the web on wich all life forms are built).
Truffles are the most expensive food on Earth and they are a mycorrhizae fungi.



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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: The original cantaloupe
« on: August 07, 2020, 03:18:05 AM »
Just bought this today from my friend.
This is the real deal and the real cantaloup ( Cucumis Melo var Cantaloupensis).
You can see the skin its smooth,no netting on it and also the size its quite big considering this is the smallest he had for sale.
He usually has for sale double the size than this cantaloupes.
Its verry soft and we eat it with spoons here.Has the consistency of banana,totally different than the otther yellow melons wich have a tougher consistency almost like cucumbers.
This is so soft,its like eating ice cream.





I keep the seeds as i realise this is a rare melon and valuable.
If anybody from places where they dont have these ( an example woukd be USA) is interested ,i can offer seeds  for free.PM me if you are interested.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jumbo Cantaloupe
« on: August 07, 2020, 12:29:45 AM »
You are strange, Mr. SeaWalnut.
This site is about fruit not to make personal attacks wich you can send me in PM not posting them here like a coward.
So GTFO troll!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing sugar apple from seed
« on: August 07, 2020, 12:26:11 AM »
Ive ordered sugar apple seeds from ebay, from USA sellers,Spain,Portugal,Germany ,India and i got a lot of seeds from Sri Lanka.
None germinated except one seed that was from a seller from... Hungary .
I always carefully select the seller to avoid scammers like the ones that sell rainbow colored roses  ;D.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Melon-choly
« on: August 06, 2020, 10:37:38 PM »
This orange one its a cantaloupe.They are the best of the yellow melons.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jumbo Cantaloupe
« on: August 06, 2020, 10:34:30 PM »
Mike, thats a not a real cantaloupe.
Cantaloupes dont have the netting on the skin,they have smooth skin and powderry texture identical to the banana texture.
You got there a hibrid that looks a lot more inferior than a cantaloupe.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: The original cantaloupe
« on: August 06, 2020, 05:39:39 PM »
https://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/95957/
Yea,thats it.It has deep ridges and smooth skin.Its not necesarely that flattened thogh but in the pictures from Davesgarden its a real cantaloupe there.
EDIT:Jared ( Weirdfruit explorer) tryed the variety Charentais wich is a real cantaloupe.
https://youtu.be/LOiCJmfDqn4
Says it tastes different than regular yellow melons and much better but that they are expensive.
Interesting that he compares it with durian and altough the smell its nice to me,i had people complaining about the smell and also said it smells like durian  :D.
He is right that because they are soft ,supermarkets and sellers dont like them because they are perishable.
Supermarkets and business owners sell hard fruits that have a longer shelf life and taste inferior.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: The original cantaloupe
« on: August 06, 2020, 05:34:28 PM »
These are somme cantaloupes but they are hibridised and have netting on the skin.They could still be a good fruit ,superior to the the otther yellow melons but altough they are cantaloupes,they are not the old cultivar from the subspecie without netting on the skin.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / The original cantaloupe
« on: August 06, 2020, 05:14:03 PM »
The name cantaloupe is used for orange fleshed muskmelons nowadays but i will show you the real deal,the original european cantaloupe wich i think its far superior to any yellow type mellon.
The original cantaloupes are orange mellons with stripes and no netting on them( they have smooth skin).
The texture its soft and ,,powdery,, like ice cream,the smell and taste are far superior than any otther muskmelons varietyes.
Its a totally different fruit than the regular muskmelons with netting on them or without stripes.
I have a friend that grows only cantaloupes as a business and sells them .Been doing this all his life and i think he got the best,the epitome of cantaloupes .
He doesnt grow yellow mellons with netting on them so that they wont hibridise his cantaloupes.
I googled immages of cantaloupes and aparently there are no pictures on Google for this famous fruit.All the pictures are of hibrids that have netting on their skin.
The closest cantaloupe looking mellon pictures i could find ,was the Tuscany cantaloupe but it has netting and its not a real,original cantaloupe with smooth skin.
Real cantaloupes are hard to find even here and they become harder and harder to find by each year ,but i wasnt expecting not to find a picture with google of this.
From this i realised that real cantaloupes must be rare.
Il show you what i mean when il post pictures with it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: asian grocery store fruit haul
« on: August 06, 2020, 09:28:05 AM »
Nice shop fruit hunting.I always do that here and try all the fruits if i didnt tryed them before.
The durian looks legit and it might not be for you.Doesnt look like a bad one but like the best possible durian cultivar.
The mangosteen its really good and if you manage to grow the tree you have and fruit it,i think that would be a big achievement.
Get all the seeds to germinate,the iradiation is a myth,they are just kept cold.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen advice
« on: August 06, 2020, 09:14:51 AM »
Wood mulch has a lot of carbon but has almost zero nitrogen.
In order to break down,the microorganisms will use all the nitrogen they can get and your plant will be starved of nitrogen.
After it draws nitrogen and becomes verry well composted,it will release all that nitrogen back.
3 months is too little ,depending on climate,what type of wood chips nd the amount of nitrogen in the soil.
If you want them to compost faster,simply add nitrogen over the wood chips.
Ureea or a powerfull source of N,not manure as that doesnt has enough nitrogen to compost itself and sometimes it takes years to decompose a dryed cow dung.

Could u explain how to use urea to compost woodchips please?
,William
To compost wood chips and straw bales ,i just add urea ( ie urine) and it heats up,then i mix it with a fork from time to time.
You could use urea fertiliser pellets too,just mix them with water and wet the wood chips .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen advice
« on: August 06, 2020, 09:12:03 AM »
Wood mulch has a lot of carbon but has almost zero nitrogen.
In order to break down,the microorganisms will use all the nitrogen they can get and your plant will be starved of nitrogen.
After it draws nitrogen and becomes verry well composted,it will release all that nitrogen back.
3 months is too little ,depending on climate,what type of wood chips nd the amount of nitrogen in the soil.
If you want them to compost faster,simply add nitrogen over the wood chips.
Ureea or a powerfull source of N,not manure as that doesnt has enough nitrogen to compost itself and sometimes it takes years to decompose a dryed cow dung.

Thanks mate that is very informative, trying to get my head around it all as im only new and dont fully understand how this all works.  What would you reccomend i fill the hole with for someone who is new and needs a more simple solution? Im not sure i would be confident in adding the nitrogen on top of the mulch or being able to tell whether i need to add more/less etc.  The mulch is not wood chips its more palm fronds etc that are shredded not sure if that makes much difference?
I would use those palm leaves as a mulch ,mostly to keep the soil around the tree shaded and to conserve water.
For mulch you dont need it to compost fast .You want the mulch to compost as slow as possible to make shadow for longer time and keep the soil moist.
In a hole i would only add a bit of biochar ( charcoal with compost and soil mix).
The charcoal doesnt decompose and lasts for centuries .
The charcoal is not a fertiliser but it stays in the soil for long time and improoves aeration.
You will have to read more if they use charcoal as soil amendment for mangosteen.
From.what i know,mangosteen likes acidic soil and charcoal contains a little ash wich is alkaline ( has ph of 9).
If you have a verry acidic soil allready ,you could add a little charcoal.If not then you probably shouldnt use it.
Add regular fertiliser with nitrogen on top.You will see the mulch gets composted faster where you add nitrogen.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen advice
« on: August 05, 2020, 02:34:38 AM »
Wood mulch has a lot of carbon but has almost zero nitrogen.
In order to break down,the microorganisms will use all the nitrogen they can get and your plant will be starved of nitrogen.
After it draws nitrogen and becomes verry well composted,it will release all that nitrogen back.
3 months is too little ,depending on climate,what type of wood chips nd the amount of nitrogen in the soil.
If you want them to compost faster,simply add nitrogen over the wood chips.
Ureea or a powerfull source of N,not manure as that doesnt has enough nitrogen to compost itself and sometimes it takes years to decompose a dryed cow dung.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing sugar apple from seed
« on: August 05, 2020, 02:26:21 AM »
They need to be fresh and soaked in water 24 hours first.
If you get them from Ebay ,you will mostly get old seeds.
From 5 orders from ebay ,from different sellers,i managed to get a single seedling.
It worths trying because they fruit fast,in a year and a half ,from seed,in ideal conditions.

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