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My grandafther used to hammer a few iron star pickets deep around where the mature the root zone would eventually be at the time of planting, making sure they were buried at least 1/2 a foot underground. Seemed to work.

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PM if you have any available.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Verry rare walnut
« on: May 31, 2019, 05:40:48 PM »
I use fresh manure because it contains more nitrogen than hardened manure but verry important its that i dilute it a lot.Dryed manure lacks nitrogen and i think it even draws nitrogen from soil to decompose.Its like composting straws,they rot verry slow until you add a rich nitrogen source.I use straw mulch and it doesnt rot until i add fertiliser rich in N.


In Australia, we have dung beetles. They were introduced from Africa (I think) and do a very good job of breaking down the manure and ferrying it underground. I do what you do; put  it in a barrow, wet it, mix it up with some volcanic ash or other rock flour, and apportion it around the roots of trees. Sometimes I'll mix in some shredded leaves. It seems to work and is a good, gentle fertilizer. Dragonfruit respond very well to it. Only downside is that because it's horse manure, I do get weeds coming up occasionally...cows are better at breaking down seeds, so I wish I had a cow! But I don't really have the room for one and I don't think my zoning allows for it.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Verry rare walnut
« on: May 30, 2019, 10:34:54 PM »
Today, Sterculius himself ( the roman God of manure) visited my orchard.The big walnuts like the fresh cow manure diluted 50/50 with water.They got like 2 litters each and immediatly after ,half a bucket of water on the manure.The growth is almost a meter in just 3 weeks.


I like to do this too, especially if the manure is hardened. I use horse manure because I have a horse, but cow manure is better.

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The thread is about using live sphagnum moss cover instead of mulch wich its dead matter.I didnt mix them with the soil.

Again, you're not talking about sphagnum moss. The moss in your photograph is not sphagnum moss. It's something from a different genus entirely. And yes, the moss of your kind as a 'mulch' is fine to use. In nurseries it often grows over the top layer of the soil naturally. That said, it's not going to be viable as a true mulch for anything more than situationally for the long term. You will burn it and kill it whenever you try to add topical fertilizers or nutrients. it will die off when you move the tree in to direct sunlight because it requires shade. The seedlings in your picture do not even require any mulch at all, in fact--and probably aren't even benefiting from the presence of the moss in any way. Perhaps this aids in water retention slightly more uniform soil moisture, but beyond that it's not doing anything at all. This is actually the way mosses contribute to the biocycle; they keep soil wetter for longer, which aids in decomposition of organic matter, which contributes to a more readily available nutrient (especially carbon) density available for plant uptake. They also aid in  in situ fungi development which is beneficial to root health, but again, that's all got to do with moisture. Unless there's leaves and wood buried in your mix, this effect is not doing anything for the overall health of those seedlings. It isn't hurting them, either. It's just not doing anything at all.It's fine for tiny little seedings, but it's not a practical, nor intelligent, solution to anything beyond this. If it was, professionals would be doing it, and they aren't.
 

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Sphagnum peat moss is readily available, I've never seen coco coir for sale in any retail outlet I've visited.

It's worth finding. If you've not tried in, I strongly recommend you do. You will simply never go back. Get the really fine stuff that has about the same consistency as coffee grounds. Usually it comes pressed in to dry bricks, and you just add water. It's the best soil additive for water retention, drainage and root development I've found. Added to your mix at around 1/4 it's amazing. The chunky, bark-like stuff is an excellent top dressing mulch. On top of that it's the best seed germinating medium I've tried too.

Guarantee you guys in the states have it. I use stuff like this:

https://aussieenvironmental.com.au/product/coir-peat-coco-mulch-5kg-brick-3pack/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIteysyKDE4gIVwTUrCh2x0QZBEAQYASABEgKz8PD_BwE

They sell it at my local nursery and on amazon.  It is good stuff but its pretty expensive.


literally $9USD per 5kg brick. Add water and you've got 2 1/5 cubic feet of the stuff.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-5kg-Bricks-11-LBS-Coconut-Coir-Soil-Amendment-Growing-Medium-Hydroponics/372658545312?hash=item56c42e22a0:g:q0kAAOSwkERcG5Rx

Yeah 9$ plus 20$ shipping for 11lbs of "dirt" is not cheap.  I grow a ton of stuff, 2cu feet is not a lot of soil. 

Its about 14$ for a block at the local store.

But I agree with you that the stuff is awesome.  I do use it in a lot of my potting mixes.

Granted, but you wouldn't use it like dirt. As I said and so did you, you use it as an additive, as a mulch, or a sprouting medium. It is on balance cheaper than sphagnum.It's also better in every way. The whole thread is about a comparison between it and sphagnum.

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Sphagnum peat moss is readily available, I've never seen coco coir for sale in any retail outlet I've visited.

It's worth finding. If you've not tried in, I strongly recommend you do. You will simply never go back. Get the really fine stuff that has about the same consistency as coffee grounds. Usually it comes pressed in to dry bricks, and you just add water. It's the best soil additive for water retention, drainage and root development I've found. Added to your mix at around 1/4 it's amazing. The chunky, bark-like stuff is an excellent top dressing mulch. On top of that it's the best seed germinating medium I've tried too.

Guarantee you guys in the states have it. I use stuff like this:

https://aussieenvironmental.com.au/product/coir-peat-coco-mulch-5kg-brick-3pack/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIteysyKDE4gIVwTUrCh2x0QZBEAQYASABEgKz8PD_BwE

They sell it at my local nursery and on amazon.  It is good stuff but its pretty expensive.


literally $9USD per 5kg brick. Add water and you've got 2 1/5 cubic feet of the stuff.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-5kg-Bricks-11-LBS-Coconut-Coir-Soil-Amendment-Growing-Medium-Hydroponics/372658545312?hash=item56c42e22a0:g:q0kAAOSwkERcG5Rx

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Sphagnum peat moss is readily available, I've never seen coco coir for sale in any retail outlet I've visited.

It's worth finding. If you've not tried in, I strongly recommend you do. You will simply never go back. Get the really fine stuff that has about the same consistency as coffee grounds. Usually it comes pressed in to dry bricks, and you just add water. It's the best soil additive for water retention, drainage and root development I've found. Added to your mix at around 1/4 it's amazing. The chunky, bark-like stuff is an excellent top dressing mulch. On top of that it's the best seed germinating medium I've tried too.

Guarantee you guys in the states have it. I use stuff like this:

https://aussieenvironmental.com.au/product/coir-peat-coco-mulch-5kg-brick-3pack/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIteysyKDE4gIVwTUrCh2x0QZBEAQYASABEgKz8PD_BwE

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There are two main reasons for not using sphagnum moss; firstly, harvesting it is very ecologically deleterious and bad for the environment generally, and secondly it tends to act as a very good medium for growing nasty fungal infections. It also doesn't hold water as well as coconut fiber. nor last as long as this. Most major nurseries here in Australia have switched to coconut  at this stage. It's basically better in every way, and it's cheaper.
Coconut choir its not better because it has much higher ph than that of moss and the moss contains substances that kill pathogens and fungi.Its sterile and was even used to wrap soldiers wounds.Its true thats not eco friendly to harvest the moss but somme people can get it from cut logs for fire wood that are covered in moss and otther places like i did from somme concrete slabs.Dont collect it from the woods .

You're referring to fissiden sp and other mosses, not the 'sphagnum' moss that is sold at hardware stores and is harvested from peat bogs.  Coconut coir has a PH of between 5--6, so it's effectively neutral, which is ideal. If you're trying to raise or lower your PH through mulch, you're not doing it right anyway.  Once sphagnum dries out it is very difficult to get wet again, and becomes a breeding ground for bad fungi. This isn't an issue with coir.

There is no reason to use sphagnum , and no professional nursery that I know of still does.
The moss in the photograph you have provided is not sphagnum moss.
Just facts. Take them as you will.

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There are two main reasons for not using sphagnum moss; firstly, harvesting it is very ecologically deleterious and bad for the environment generally, and secondly it tends to act as a very good medium for growing nasty fungal infections. It also doesn't hold water as well as coconut fiber. nor last as long as this. Most major nurseries here in Australia have switched to coconut  at this stage. It's basically better in every way, and it's cheaper.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Australian Finger Lime Culture
« on: May 28, 2019, 06:16:26 PM »
Mine fruited in last 6 weeks and size is already 2 inches. You think it will continue to mature bigger as it gets to harvest in fall?

If you dig around, there used to be a guy on here that collected them in the wild. The long and short of it is, the bigger the plant, the bigger the fruit. Certainly this is true of my trees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: May 27, 2019, 09:38:26 PM »

The times this happened to me in the past, the cutting died.  I have cut the cutting to get rid of the rot and replanted with success.  A pic may help
Thanks Bo, here is a picture. What is confusing me is that it is still growing, and when I tug on it, it is very well anchored in the pot. You can see the spot on the left where the brown skin is just tearing off. But the core is solid.

Cut and re-root?
Bury it?
Just leave it be?

Carolyn




That's unusual. The base has rotted in a way suggestive of water damage, but your mix appears to be free draining. What's most likely going to happen is that the rotted area will peel away leaving the wooden central core exposed. If it were mine, I'd let this happen. The newer growth will continue to grow regardless. When this gets larger, say two lengths and has hardened off, cut these, and replant them discarding the rotten base segment entirely. Edit: I personally do not rate cosmic charlie. I strongly suggest getting another variety.


Not sure of the right answer.   But if the soft area is dry and not spreading you can get a larger pot take out the plant and bury it up to the healthy tissue.  All I hand done in the past is cut to healthy tissue and replant but itís up to you. Too bad your not close or you could get some new cuttings

Bo I have done what you're suggesting in the past with mixed results. Ultimately it's better to take the younger cuttings and plant those for several reasons. Firstly, re-rooting a cutting with a rotted base, even after cutting this segment off, leaves the plant vulnerable to infections and insect (especially whitefly larvae) damage. Secondly, it can be difficult to determine if the core is itself damaged, and if it is, when you replant the cutting, you will get the same issue or worse again. Also, the more surface area you have exposed to wet soil, the higher the risk of problems you will get. Think about how much more exposed surface area you will have with a snipped, triangulate stem vs the thin point of a cutting.

Thirdly, and this is the most important--there is no advantage to starting over with the rotted cutting, because the new growth will massively outpace the old growth. Massively. I'm estimating, but in my experience, by a factor of roughly 3x. Young growth roots faster, and growths faster, than old growth. On every criteria, it is better to replant from new growth rather than replant a damaged cutting. The main thing you want to do first is peel/rub off the rotten flesh completely, and wash the exposed core. If you leave it on, it will turn black, then moldy, and the mold will eat through the core beneath causing the stem to snap. Remove the death, let the new growth get to two lengths, harden off, then cut this and plant it. Trust me.

Just my two cents. Again, Cosmic charlie is not a great variety. The fruit are small, and the Brix rating is low. If you're in America you will have access to the best of the best. It's definitely worth picking up a condor or similar.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: May 27, 2019, 07:18:05 PM »

The times this happened to me in the past, the cutting died.  I have cut the cutting to get rid of the rot and replanted with success.  A pic may help
Thanks Bo, here is a picture. What is confusing me is that it is still growing, and when I tug on it, it is very well anchored in the pot. You can see the spot on the left where the brown skin is just tearing off. But the core is solid.

Cut and re-root?
Bury it?
Just leave it be?

Carolyn




That's unusual. The base has rotted in a way suggestive of water damage, but your mix appears to be free draining. What's most likely going to happen is that the rotted area will peel away leaving the wooden central core exposed. If it were mine, I'd let this happen. The newer growth will continue to grow regardless. When this gets larger, say two lengths and has hardened off, cut these, and replant them discarding the rotten base segment entirely. Edit: I personally do not rate cosmic charlie. I strongly suggest getting another variety.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: May 27, 2019, 06:40:16 PM »
Picked this guy yesterday. Seller is in WA (Australia).

Fruit appear to be absolutely enormous. Have to be pushing 1kg. My guess is that it's some kind of Guatamalensis Hybrid owing to the pronounced spines. Can't really see if there's any colour on the buds. The cutting I recieved is increadibly dense, hard and heavy...it's going to have serious weight at adulthood. Like a megalanthus, but heavier. Pretty sure it's not a standard Guat. Seller kind of just lets it do its thing. Hasn't ever tipped, given nutrients or anything. It's self poly and a red. Seems to be doing pretty well given its stuck in the ground and growing rampant on a fence. Hoping for good things with some care and attention!












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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A very Strange Mutant Dragonfruit.
« on: May 25, 2019, 12:52:27 AM »
Your guess is as good as mine.

I've seen something similar done with a hylocereus and Geomoterizans Hybrid grown from seed. Hope you read that correctly, Taxonomists....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / A very Strange Mutant Dragonfruit.
« on: May 24, 2019, 11:26:48 PM »
Came across this on Gumtree ZA. Supposedly a hybrid between a Hylocereus and a Gymno sp of some description. Pretty fugly. I wonder how the fruit will turn out, or if it ever will?




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Looking for American beauty and any good purple types.
Paying 45$ for any good named variety I don't have.

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