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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 12, 2019, 01:33:24 AM »
Looking for a a Duke, found all my other varieties.

I heard that they do taste pretty much like the hass avocado, nutty and rich.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 08, 2019, 05:59:37 PM »
 I have some good news I have a friend whoís going down to San Diego so he could bring me trees on the way back .  Having a very hard time finding anything other than hass though.  Need these other varieties as well .

Thanks

Ryan


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 08, 2019, 03:38:37 PM »
Ive bought trade wind trees and they are ok, they are lanky twigs but of course they will grow fine once they get going. 

You can get much nicer trees at clausons in san diego for 18$ each.  I dont know if they will have 100 trees to sell, maybe hass trees.  You can call them, but those are 5 gal trees in grow bags in DG.  Much bigger rootstock and tree than the mail order trees.  They are heavy like a brick though. 

Theres also Atkins nursery in san diego county that quoted me 3$ each for zutano rootstocks in small grow bags also.  You could call them as well but neither of those places are going to send you trees.  You could drive them back I guess but it might not be worth it.

I will have a lot of bacon seeds if you are interested.  They will be ready in december and make great rootstocks.  The trees are super vigorous.

Whatever you decide, good luck with it and keep us updated.


 I called both Clausons and Atkins and they have very little stock right now and donít carry most of the kinds Iím looking for .  I have no idea when more trees are going to be in stock .  ClawsonĎs has the best price at $20 a tree.  But they only really carry hass.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 08, 2019, 02:40:45 PM »
One other thing to condsider is when planting young avocado trees is its important to start with good trees that wont need staking or will need minimal staking.  Thats a big advantage to growing your own trees from seed.  You can direct sow them or plant in pots and transplant.  But your trees if left out in the elements will never need to be staked.  Or only minimal corrective staking.  If you buy 100 trees from trade wind, you will have to stake every one of them and probably need multiple stakes to get them to stand up properly.  Their trees are really weak and lanky and will require a lot of labor to correct.  Trust me on this that is much nicer to start with strong trees that dont require a lot of corrective staking and pruning.  When you have to do 100 trees, it will be a ton of labor spent on correcting trees that were bad from the start.  If you want to see some pics of trade wind trees I can take some tomorrow.  If you are patient, getting seeds or seedlings and grafting will save you a lot of money and your trees will start out on the right foot also.  Just something to consider.  These are things you figure out the hard way after planting lots of trees from various nurseries and growing and grafting your own.  Ive got about 70 avocado trees and wish I had known a lot of these things before I started.

Thanks. Looking for stronger trees. May not be doable.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 08, 2019, 01:45:44 PM »
They seem to have outdoor avocado trees even in the UK. And somebody tried to persuade me to grow them in Germany, too.

 If it really never gets below 30į you got a shot . I think Iím gonna find out his believe the avocados would do better if they actually get 100 inches of rain a year.  I believe they actually get that in their natural habitat of Guatemala.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 08, 2019, 01:43:51 PM »
Ive bought trade wind trees and they are ok, they are lanky twigs but of course they will grow fine once they get going. 

You can get much nicer trees at clausons in san diego for 18$ each.  I dont know if they will have 100 trees to sell, maybe hass trees.  You can call them, but those are 5 gal trees in grow bags in DG.  Much bigger rootstock and tree than the mail order trees.  They are heavy like a brick though. 

Theres also Atkins nursery in san diego county that quoted me 3$ each for zutano rootstocks in small grow bags also.  You could call them as well but neither of those places are going to send you trees.  You could drive them back I guess but it might not be worth it.

I will have a lot of bacon seeds if you are interested.  They will be ready in december and make great rootstocks.  The trees are super vigorous.

Whatever you decide, good luck with it and keep us updated.

Thanks for the info.  Definitely will look into this but itís a very long drive To  San Diego like 15 or 16 hours one-way .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 08, 2019, 01:41:24 PM »
Your trees are looking really healthy and even better they are producing fruit.  Do you irrigate them during the summer or are they on rainfall alone?

About 12 years ago I saw an Avocado tree in Brookings, Oregon.  I asked the owner about the tree and they did not even know what kind of tree it was.  It was around 12-15 feet tall but I did not see any fruit on the tree.

In the harbor itís probably not hot enough to fruit. Unless you get past the foothills to block the ocean flog it never get above 70 degrees in the day.

Yes I water them once a week from June to late August. There is no rain during those months. Every other time of the year we get 80 plus inches.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 07, 2019, 11:08:46 PM »
Zutano seems to be a fine rootstock.  You might be able to order 100 zutano seeds in bags from brokaw for cheap.  I would go with those.  Clonal rootstock can be more salt tolerant(doesnt matter for you) or more root rot resistant. 

I would try and contact brokaw and tell them what you are doing and what your soil and rainfall is like and see what they say.

 I called Brokaw nursery today .  They want like $32-$34 a tree so I doubt that four winds is getting them from them anymore because theyíre offering me a 30% discount if I buy more than 120 trees.  It would make each tree about 24 1/2 dollars plus shipping which would be about $28 . They also can not get Gem or Sharwil trees.

 The trees from four winds are 5 x 5Ē and 12 inches deep and 2 to 3 feet tall .  Not sure where theyíre getting them from but they canít be getting them from Brokaw. Brokaw doesnít give discounts not matter how many you buy too.   Somehow four winds is still getting a discount for over 120 trees .

 Of course I will graft my own trees when Iím able to grow some Zutano seeds I do have a Zutano tree so I should be able to start doing that soon .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to get cheap gypsum
« on: October 07, 2019, 11:02:49 PM »
 In Sacramento thereís a Gipson grinder near the dump and you can get a whole truckload for 20 bucks .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 07, 2019, 02:32:34 PM »
You should plant seeds and graft your own trees.  Otherwise you probably need to contact brokaw nursery for a large order.  Thats who 4 winds buys from.

 Would you suggest I use Zutano rootstock?  I hear that most everyone does but Iím not for sure what the difference between Zutano and colonial rootstock is but I do know that the Zutano tree seems to be the most vigorous avocado tree .  My Zutano tree is about twice as vigerous as Hass.

 Another follow-up question is there any avocado tree that has more vigour than the Zutano? I grew up with the Zutano tree in Sacramento and it was about 3 feet wide at the base but the tree was 40 feet in each direction above our pool and had anywhere from 600 to 900 avocados ever year.

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 Looking for recommendations of a nursery  that would be willing to take a pretty big order for an orchard in Northern California I am currently working with four winds growers in the bay area but cannot find a few varieties . Gem and Sharwil.  One has any recommendations Iíd like to hear about it .  For those that are concerned that avocados donít grow up here Iíll share the pictures of my two trees, hass and zutano.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 06, 2019, 05:41:58 PM »
 Seems like four winds growers is the best shot of getting more avocado trees up here .  Does anyone have any idea of a better supplier Iím going to get the trees about $28 each with shipping .  The trees are 5 x 5 x 12ď,  about 3 feet tall .

 Iím also looking for Gem avocados and Sharwil but canít find any.  Anyone know of any nurseries that are selling them at a reasonable price ?  Iím going to be buying about 130 to 150 trees .  Iíve also sparked interest in a couple of my neighbors and theyíre going to be purchasing about 40 trees .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 06, 2019, 05:33:18 PM »
Looks and sounds amazing.  Love the old growth redwood parks in that area.  Prarie creek was one of our favorites.  Would love to buy 20 acres on a river there and disappear.


 Your avocados are probably amazing if left on the tree for extended periods.  I guess hass should be extra ripe now after 18 mo on the tree?


Got my first crop last year. Tasted just like hass in the store. Will have to see how long they stay on the tree for.  I kind of just planted them out of maybe it will work out .  Not many people Iíve ever tried up here .  We donít have a lack of water problem .  Iím gonna  planet orchard of about 100 trees .  With the theory I could sell cheaper and better avocados than the stores .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 06, 2019, 05:30:45 PM »
Ok. I mean in the USA.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 06, 2019, 03:29:55 PM »
The most northern Avocado trees?  Hello my name is Ryan. I live in Hiouchi California outside of Crescent city.  Itís right near the Oregon border.  Youíre a couple pictures of my tree there about 20 feet tall and about 3 1/2 years old .  We have a clay type toil with tons of rocks and about 70% rock .  Itís right near Jedediah Smith redwoods .  Youíre protected by a little foothills there about 600 feet tall .  Have a micro climate up here itís about 75 to 85į in the summertime .  I really never gets below 30į and if it does itís only for a couple hours which would be about 28į .  I have one large Hass and one large Zutano tree.  Itís always about 60 to 80% humidity up here  .  We get anywhere from 80 inches to 150 inches of rain here.  Plan on planning an orchard on another property above my house that faces west .  I believe theyíre also microclimates outside of Eureka and Brookings California .  Maybe even up farther north along the Oregon coast .  I was wondering if anyone had any input or knew other people growing avocado trees this far north.  No thereís a guy south of Eureka that has started an Orchard.
















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