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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brown/dying blossoms on mangos in SW FL
« on: February 25, 2018, 06:12:19 PM »
In this pic the middle part shows mango flowers that are just recently opened, the right side shows some that have been open for a bit and have some fruit set, and on the left are some that had set fruit and are working on drying out. Sometimes you won't get fruit on every single flower spike. Sometimes it is due to all male flowers, sometimes it is a fungal issue, sometimes it is just poor luck. Some varieties also set heavier and more regularly than others. This pic is of Pickering, which is generally regarded as a workhorse producer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brown/dying blossoms on mangos in SW FL
« on: February 25, 2018, 11:34:38 AM »
So are you saying the blossoms turned brown and died before opening, and that the ones that set fruit behaved differently? Because the way you describe it sounds like normal mango bloom behavior: they push out, the flowers open, some fruit sets, and everything where there isn't fruit turns brown shrivels up and dies.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black sapote (Diospyros dignya) cultivars
« on: February 18, 2018, 09:58:03 PM »

I finally got about a half dozen (so far) fruit set on this "Wilson Seedless" black sapote. I'll post updates once they're ripe.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Cherimoya for SWFL?
« on: January 31, 2018, 10:38:56 PM »
Well, Y'all are NOT telling me what I want to hear LOL. 

If anyone has an Atemoya suggestion then, I would appreciate it.  I do have a custard apple that was given to me very stressed, I hope it survives.

Thanks for the input, it is appreciated.

If you can get your arms around Hillary White, that would be fantastic. I heard its as creamy and delicious as Pierce Cherimoya.

I'd hit up Steve at Fruitscapes, I believe he has Hillary White as well as Tim.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rootstock for atemoya
« on: December 15, 2017, 01:18:42 PM »
It also makes atemoyas grow into large trees and makes it harder to grow them in tropical areas. Gefner and African pride are the two most tropical varieties and I reckon sugar apple would be better as a rootstock in warmer climates for these.

The data I'd read out of Australia (I believe from the custard apple growers information kit) said that sugar apple was dwarfing in cooler subtropical climates, but the warmer the climate was the less apparent the dwarfing tendency, with no dwarfing tendency shown in the tropics. Fruitscapes down here uses all sugar apple rootstock nowadays, and after seeing Luke's Issan Indigo sugar apple mother tree survive 24hrs with the root crown under 6" of water, I'm likely going to start experimenting with using it as rootstock. That said I still really like how vigorous my trees on cherimoya roots are compared to the sugar apple ones so far.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing atemoya on Oahu?
« on: December 04, 2017, 06:38:54 PM »
You don't have to bag soursops...the annona seed borers do not bother soursops.

Maybe your seed borers are different, or you've somehow got resistant soursop, but the ones here in FL absolutely will infest soursop in a heartbeat. I've not personally seen them in sugar apple here, but I've heard growers complaining about it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: BBQ with tropical wood
« on: December 01, 2017, 04:14:47 PM »
Cinnamon wood: I've got some large cinnamon logs that I'm going to try using in the smoker one day, but have been told by a friend that they weren't too impressed with it.

Orange wood:  One of the best steaks I've had in my life was a dry aged porterhouse grilled over orange wood.

Peach wood: I've used peach wood on pork and it does well, though the meat stays an almost uncooked pink color on the outside for some reason. I might have used too little wood, but the flavor was pretty much where I wanted it.

Guava: I've never used guava, but just cut down a poor quality yellow cattley guava so I'll be sure to save that for smoking.

Jaboticaba: Anyone used Jabo wood for smoking? I'm definitely going to have to scrounge up some sticks from previous prunings and see what I can do with those.

Not a tropical really but Australian Pine is supposed to be a great smoking/grilling wood. It isn't really a pine but a she-oak, so I'd guess it has similar qualities to other oak trees for cooking.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is cherimoya better than atemoya?
« on: October 26, 2017, 11:20:18 AM »
Be still my beating heart. Mr. Cherimoya is actually ranking an atemoya over the mighty cherimoya?  I'm shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you!   ;D

So what variety are we looking at here Frank?

Cherimoya killer

I had  trees of both growing next to each other and AP has better tasting fruit but is less productive in my climate. Pinks mammoth is a good deal better than both and common in my area. Hillary white and Paxton prolific are the most expensive in the supermarkets and shops around Queensland.

Mike, how would you compare the taste of Paxton Prolific and Pink's Mammoth?

I think you'll find that type has been grown around Ubon Ractchathani to the Mekong nearby for decades.

I'm glad it didn't take any longer to make its way over here.

The few comparisons I've seen put AP as better than Gefner, but that's going to be a matter of personal preference.

If they've been in ground long enough to be fruiting you would be doing yourself a great disservice by digging them out. That root establishment counts for a lot, and will mean better/faster growth if you topwork them to other varieties. Heck even if you bought budwood and paid someone to topwork them for you, you'd likely still come out paying less than buying all new trees.

Here's a pic of the one Luke shared with me. The fruit to seed ratio was really good even though it was an average sized sugar apple.

I can confirm that this is a very chewy dark red/purple sugar apple and as far as sugar apples go it is excellent.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What variety are these cherimoyas?
« on: August 24, 2017, 09:19:20 AM »
It will be about impossible to tell without pics of some mature fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona reticulatas harvest question
« on: August 23, 2017, 07:54:21 PM »
Hi friend...when is it the best moment to cut a Annona reticulatas (custar apple) fruit to harvest?

My one fruit looks so...I touched it and the fruit its hard....Thanx

You'll usually notice a brightening of the color right before it starts to soften on the tree. Once you notice that brightening cut it then and let it ripen on the counter. Alternatively just make sure you check it every day and cut it down when soft.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild not waterlogged pond apple
« on: August 23, 2017, 07:35:09 AM »
The biggest issue with pond apple as a rootstock is delayed incompatibility. Depending on the seed source some will just reject everything outright, others will take and grow well then die a year or so down the road, and the truly good ones will work spectacularly.

I hope yours take and grow well for many years to come.

With the above caveat in mind, I know pond apple works as a rootstock for ilama and atemoya and I'm pretty sure reticulata as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pink skin atemoya
« on: August 19, 2017, 07:49:04 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting atemoya
« on: August 19, 2017, 03:35:20 PM »
Dom are you grafting them on cherimoya. Steve from fruitscape  puts them on sugar apple and his plants grow nice and fast. Zill puts them on sugar apple. Last time I talked with Adam he was not happy with cherimoya. I am small grower I have only grafted a few hundred. As I said I like to put atemoya on atemoya but I will put them on sugar apple

Yes. The cherimoya rootstock is less variable than atemoya, and both are more vigorous than sugar apple. I've got some from Steve on sugar apple roots and the ones I've grafted on cherimoya roots are catching up in size quickly.

First pic is Birula (aka Super Lisa) on cherimoya roots. Second pic is a Lisa on sugar apple roots. Both get neighboring bushes growing into them from time to time like the Lisa is in this pic, both irrigated, both fertilized the same. Edited to add: they were planted in ground at similar size at the same time also.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting atemoya
« on: August 19, 2017, 02:08:23 PM »
Mike if you're up for some reading starting on page 50 in the "Key Issues" publication they talk about different rootstock used over in Australia.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting atemoya
« on: August 19, 2017, 07:15:56 AM »
 You can put atemoya on sugar apple. I like to put atemoya on atemoya it will be a little more cold hardy.
What do you call dwarfing 15 to 20 feet that is how big they will get on sugar apple.

Basically slower growing. The ones on cherimoya grow at easily 2x the pace of the ones on sugar apple.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting atemoya
« on: August 18, 2017, 09:30:25 PM »
Yes. They tend to be dwarfing on sugar apple rootstock and I've been told shorter lived at around 9 years or so.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best way to germinate Atemoya seeds?
« on: August 11, 2017, 07:51:06 PM »
Soak 24-48hrs, stirring it a few times here and there, then discard any that float after that. Planting direct in potting mix in pots or seed trays works well for me. It usually takes a few weeks for them to germinate so be patient and keep them watered. Paper towel works fine but I tend to forget seeds done that way and lose more to mold than I do with seed trays.

If someone wanted to get atemoya scion from Australia Paxton prolific aka AJ Pinks, Hillary white, real Pinks Mammoth and maybe tropic sun would be on the hit list for acquisition.They wouldn't bother with relatively low quality widespread varieties like gefner or African pride.It doesn't really look like any of these but they are variable and climate and nutrition can influence phenotypic expression. Any info on the source at either end or location in Australia or US?

I don't have much info on either side of it unfortunately.

Side note: you said real Pink's Mammoth. Is there known to be an impostor Pink's Mammoth here in the states?

This is the first picture I've been able to get of a "Tim" atemoya. It is rumored to have been from budwood brought over from Australia years ago, but nobody is sure what name it originally had over there. Besides the picture all I've heard about it is that it sets about as well as Gefner without hand pollination and the guy who first started growing it loved the flavor so much he replaced all of his Gefner with Tim. I'll do my best to get more pics through season, and hope to have fruits of my own either late this season or next year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop (guanabana) or atemoya?
« on: August 06, 2017, 10:15:32 AM »
If I had to choose just one I'd go with atemoya. There are a ton of named varieties you could topwork on a single tree for wide variety of flavors and appearance. Atemoya is also more cold tolerant than soursop, though unless I regularly hit 32 or lower I wouldn't worry too much about planting a soursop. If you're looking to sell fruit you'll probably get better prices for soursop since it is generally better known. Personally I'd rather eat atemoya or cherimoya, and would pay higher prices for those, but most folks have no clue about atemoya.

I'll join the dogpile of folks saying they've gotten soursop much lower than 50 without it dying. I had a maybe 2ft tall soursop in a 3gal pot that survived mid 30s while being badly neglected. It dropped leaves, but bounced right back in the spring and is now over 6' tall planted out at a friend's house. I have plenty of other soursop that got high 30s in pots last year and while they dropped leaves and aren't as big as they would be had it remained in the 50s, they're still growing bigger each year.

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