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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peach Cobbler Mango ripening
« on: June 30, 2020, 10:00:06 AM »
I ran across this video which explains general detection of ripening. The idea of different color ribbons installed during bloom is interesting.

Thank you pineislander.  That video was helpful.  Looking at the shoulders and spots.  I am still not sure how much ripening to do off the tree for a peach cobbler. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peach Cobbler Mango ripening
« on: June 29, 2020, 09:27:16 PM »
They fall off on their own usually, so I would Bag them if possible and check the bags daily

That is interesting.  Squam256 says to pick them green and firm when they turn a lighter shade of green.  I think this type may get over ripe before they fall off the tree. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Peach Cobbler Mango ripening
« on: June 29, 2020, 04:49:29 PM »

My peach cobbler mango tree has plenty of fruit this year.  I know it is difficult to tell when to pick, but unfortunately the raccoons are better at finding the ripe ones.  I am being out smarted.  I need to up my game quickly.  Any further advice of when to pick and when to eat.  I found this

It will go overripe quickly if allowed to start to turn soft on the tree. Harvest it green/firm when the color turns to a lighter shade.

Does it need to sit a few days to ripen off the tree?

Thank you. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill varieties.
« on: July 03, 2015, 08:15:58 PM »
Thank you.  Lady's choice is added.  I found an old post from Cookie Monster that also adds Juliette as a new release. 
lady's choice is also in this batch IIRC, but it's an improved east indian so....yeah... :-\

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill varieties.
« on: July 03, 2015, 06:13:53 PM »
ofdsurfer - You are right on Orange Sherbet.  Corrected.  I am confused on Fruit Punch.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill varieties.
« on: July 03, 2015, 04:25:52 PM »
Is this a good list of the new varieties developed and released by Zill HPP?

Ugly Betty, coconut cream, Peach Cobbler, Pineapple Pleasure, Sweet Tart, Harvest Moon, Lemon Zest, Pina Colada, Sunrise, Juicy Peach, Fruit Punch, lady's choice, Juliette.

Please do not quote this post.  This not meant to be exhaustive or correct on first try.  I will edit it and correct it as information is corrected.  That way we will avoid replicating misinformation.

How do those three compare from a production standpoint?

If you like your lychees all out sweet, Hak Ip or Sweetheart.   Many like Mauritius however they do have a distinct subacid component that the Hak Ip and Sweetheart do not have.  The Mauritius also lack that floral component found in Hak Ip and Sweetheart.

On a side note. I know Simon says what is sold and called in Florida as Hak Ip is not the real Hak Ip, it is the only Hak Ip available here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kesar Mango
« on: June 23, 2015, 06:46:26 PM »
What do you classify a Carrie?

I believe Carrie is, spiritually, a Florida mango, regardless of where the parent comes from.

I recently met an Indian guy named Deepak. He said that "all Indian people in Florida love Carrie because it tastes like Alphonso." they classify it as Indian :)

And they think the Val Carrie is Indian also....and I really don't care what they classify it as.  I have explained to more than I want to say that it is not an Indian mango and they repeatedly think it is. 

In speaking with a number Indians, the spell the Carrie as "Keri" mango, or at times "Keri Keri" mango, which I have been told by a number of Indians that it means "sweet mango".  What does this all mean...absolutely NOTHING!
I don't really know these things, so please help.  Mangoes are not indigenous to Florida, the Caribbean, or anywhere outside of Asia.  Carrie is a Florida mango, but how do you use the terms Indian, Indochinese, or monoembryonic in relation to Carrie.

I am just starting out, and I certainly have a bunch to learn.  It may take me years to figure out how ripeness and freshness affect different varieties.  The process sure is enjoyable. 

The PPK and Bombay seamed to be close to peak ripeness, yet they didn't have any hint of being past their peak.

Harry - I was wondering how ripe the Extrema, the Maha Chanok, and the Cushman were.  Close to peak, a little early, or a little late.

I bought a couple of Bombays from Harry's last week. I felt the same way, but I am leaning towards liking it a lot. How heavy of a producer is it?
Purchased a couple more of the Sia Tong to test drive, that one also has me looking for a spot in the yard.
I am leaning towards liking it as well just because I kept going back for more.  It is a little hard for me to rationalize why.  It definitely wasn't better than the Maha Chanok or any of the other top varieties.

I had a similar experience last summer.  I don't typically like resinous flavor in mangoes (though I do like Julie, Juliette and Sunrise), but when I bought some Bombays, I couldn't stop eating them.  Pretty soon, I started craving them, especially the method of cutting along equator of fruit and twisting free to eat with a spoon (out of the mango "bowl" that is remaining--the way some people eat avocadoes).   I wouldn't say they rank up their with the best tasting mangoes, but I would rank it up there in terms of my likeability.  Needless to say, I planted a Bombay out last Fall.  The kind of mango that just grew on me, more and more over time.

I bought a couple of Bombays from Harry's last week. I felt the same way, but I am leaning towards liking it a lot. How heavy of a producer is it?
Purchased a couple more of the Sia Tong to test drive, that one also has me looking for a spot in the yard.
I am leaning towards liking it as well just because I kept going back for more.  It is a little hard for me to rationalize why.  It definitely wasn't better than the Maha Chanok or any of the other top varieties. 

Thank you Harry for allowing us to come to a tasting at your office.  You are a generous host.  My family had very little experience with tasting mangoes.  My wifeís mother and my mother both grew up in Coral Gables so we have fond memories of eating mangoes at our grandparentís house.  My seven year old daughter loves fruit, but had only eaten store bought mangoes so she would tell you she didn't like mangoes.  Harry's office tasting changed that.  She tried everything Harry put in front of her.  She said they were all good except two, and those two were perfect!  Unfortunately she didn't remember which two they were. 

My wife liked the Cushman the best.  Then she place the Van Dyke second followed by the Valencia Pride third.  She wasn't impressed by PPK.  It was too sweet for her, and more like candy than eating fruit.  She was also not a fan of any resin flavor.

I liked the PPK.  It made me stand up and pause the first time I tasted it almost like it slapped me.  It was very sweet with a nice citrus flavor.  The Cushman was next.  The Cushman seems to have a nice balance of sweet with a pineapple acid flavor.  The Maha Chanok was third.  Harry had a fruit from a Maha Chanok seedling that was just a touch better than the Maha Chanok.  Both seemed to have the taste of two mangoes in one bite.  It started with a sweet flavor with a little citrus like acid and finished with what I would call a mild but complex resin like flavor.   

We had never really had a resinous mango so the Bombay gave me a shock at first bite.  It was kind of like a car wreck to me.  It started sweet and ended with a very clean pine like resin flavor.  The resin flavor was not offensive, but not really appealing either.  The thing was so sweet I just kept going back for bite after bite after bite.  I just couldn't stop until it was gone, yet I am still not sure I liked it. 

There was also one I thought was called Excellent. Correct me if I am wrong Harry, but you said it would have a resin flavor.  It kind of tasted like a slightly over ripe papaya.

Overall it was a great and eye opening experience for my family.  We were blown away by Harry's hospitality.  Thank you Harry for the wonderful tasting fruit. 

what other varieties do you remember (both good or bad)?  Did anyone like Earlygold or Tyler Premiere this year?
I ate both.  Compared to the Edward both were milder.  The Tyler had a good flavor just not a sweet as the Edward.  The Earlygold was even a little milder than the Tyler.  The Tyler was on my list to take home and I think I got one.  The Earlygold was not. 

I went to the event today.  Not much new in the presentation that we don't learn here in the forum.  But I always enjoy a presentation by Chris.  $40 for the presentation that went 2.5 hours followed by about 1.5 hours of tasting then the mango grab where you bought a canvas shopping bag for $25 and take all the mangoes you could carry.  One of my favorites during game the tasting was a mango named "jewel".  I stuffed a few in my bag but I hope I can find them since I didn't have a sharpie to name my selections.  There were way more mangoes than people to the them home.

I went today as well.  Chris is an enjoyable speaker with some good stories.  I thought "jewel" was very good as well.  I am glad you got a few, and I hope you recognize them.  I looked but couldn't find any. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help me choose new mango!
« on: June 18, 2015, 02:00:09 PM »
And I feel Ugly Betty is very good to outstanding.

And so the best advice I have heard is to try the fruit yourself first.  Then again the quality of the fruit is dependent many factors, so with out some expert input tasting the fruit can be misleading.  Overall it maybe the best starting place.  Then ask more questions based on what your own taste buds tell you. 

So, for clarification, if something is a _____________ seedling, then that is the fruit that the seed came from.  So, while all mangoes have 2 parents, the mother fruit is what's used when identifying what type of seedling it is?

In other words, if Juliette is a Julie seedling, then that means a julie seed was planted that was pollinated by another mango such as gary or another, and the resulting seedling tree produced what is now called juliette.  right?


Unless it is a polyembryonic mango?  Then you have the option of it being a clone of the parent, right?

So if something is a NDM seedling it could be crossed with another mango or a NDM clone!

or if something is a Julie seedling it would be pollinated by another mango.  Even if the pollinator is another Julie, due to the nature of monoembryonic seeds, it would still be different than the parents. 

Just trying to rap my brain around the whole thing.

You mentioned this event earlier.  I am registered.  I am excited.  Thank you for the heads up.

What I use that works for me is below.

1/3 pathway bark (1/4 inch)
1/3 peat moss (coarse, if you can find it)
1/3 forest compost

It drains well and holds some water.  Although I don't have problems with perched water, you can use a wick if you are concerned about it.

Well, frankly Iím not completely sure if i want to go towards the gritty mix. This is the reason why at first i probably just start with some rootstock as experiment.
My setup is composed as follows: a unheated greenhouse, for the winter and a fairly sunny location for the summer. Here the winters are really damp and cold a tropical plants don't like that. To give you an idea, i see you the last dry soil in my garden in October: the soil will remain constantly wet till march every year. During January the maximum average temperature is about 50įC with regular dips under 32, and a constant high humidity.
Now i can't say i have really had big issues with my plants during winter regarding the dampness: the ones who suffered most were the bananas, but i suspect they suffered more for the constant lack of heat than for the dampness. However, since transpiration is so low, and my mango plants are going to increase their pot size in the following years, i wonder if i may reach a point where the transpiration from my pot become too slow and the root stay too wet for too long. For this reason Iím willing to investigate the possibility of other soil mix that can perform well during my winter
Also, somehow i imagine that sooner or later some root rot will happen and i probably should be prepared by then.

I have seen this link suggested to help with substitutes.

Pumice is closer to turface (kitty liter) than granite.  Dichotomous earth is a great substitute for turface.  In the US it is found as Oil dry at Napa stores.  Here is a link to the product.

Gravel is very similar to granite.  Just about any solid stone the correct size will work.  People in some areas will use a silica sand for water filter media as a substitute for granite. 

I am not an expert on the subject.  I have tried gritty mixes in the past, and I have found better performance from a good potting soil when planting mangoes in containers.  It works very well and I have no root problems with a good draining soil.  In my experience earthworms love to crawl into my pots and make a home.  The earthworms delay soil compaction and help with aeration. 

I also live in a different climate.  I don't need to take my plants indoors.  I only need to cover them and provide a little heat a few days a year. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pictures update of fruit
« on: May 18, 2015, 07:50:59 AM »
Thank you for the mangoes last week Richard.  They were the first non store bought mangoes my wife had ever tried.  She especially liked the Carrie. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which 3 avocados for Orlando?
« on: April 02, 2015, 05:28:59 PM »
From what I can research Lula is the only "A" flower type listed, so it would be just choosing the other two based on taste, growth characteristic, and time of harvest. 
Does that sound correct?

Winter Mexican, Brogden, Lula

Alternate Selections:

Winter Mexican, Fantastic, Monroe

I have all these and the do well even in very cold weather. Use 2 "A's" and one "B" or vice versa. Fantastic, Brogden are early, Monroe, Winter Mexican and Lula are late varieties. Plant close enough to encourage cross pollination.

Dennis in SW Orlando, near the attractions

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which 3 avocados for Orlando?
« on: March 31, 2015, 12:31:03 PM »
I am putting in three avocados soon as well.  Also Orlando area.  I was leaning towards Brogden, Lula, and Monroe.  I am interested in some more experienced growers opinions. 

Thank you! It is done :-)

Anybody know what the bettle pictured below is.  Is it ok?  Is it bad for the flowers?  I found three so far.  Only on the flowers of LZ mango. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rootstock for mango
« on: February 27, 2015, 10:52:31 AM »
The link below list a number of rootstock and their uses.  Don't they have calcareous soils in some parts of south Florida?

"A polyembryonic seedling, 'No. 13-1', introduced into Israel from Egypt in 1931, has been tested since the early 1960's in various regions of the country for tolerance of calcareous soils and saline conditions. It has done so well in sand with a medium (15%) lime content and highly saline irrigation water (over 600 ppm) that it has been adopted as the standard rootstock in commercial plantings in salty, limestone districts of Israel. Where the lime content is above 30%, iron chelates are added."

Here is a thread from another board a regular poster here did a while back.  Maybe some could share more on how this project ended.

This website has a great deal of information on the subject.  Of course you have to realize they are a nursery that is trying to sell more trees.

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