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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: December 13, 2020, 10:12:46 AM »
Should I bring my new pups/slips (thanks Brad!!) indoors?  Nighttime temps here in coastal so cal 10a are in the high 40F.  Daytime temps have been 60-70F range. 

They have been outside the past several days, but I can put them by a south-facing window that gets light most of the day.  Once my electricity is back, I can even add a heating pad, but I don't think that's necessary, lowest indoor temps are around 55F.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: November 27, 2020, 12:38:47 AM »
Could someone kindly explain why pineapple seeds extracted from a grocery-store plant would not be true to parent?  I barely remember punnett squares from biology class ~30 years ago.  Because the source pineapple would come from a massive field of clones, the most likely pollination occurs between the same parents.  Wouldn't that make it an "heirloom" or, does it need a couple more generations for that?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sad luck with twist-n-plant pineapples
« on: November 06, 2020, 10:13:08 AM »
Hello!  Original poster here.  I believe I've discovered the err in my attempts!  Way way way over watering.  I had been watering the soil and occasionally a dribble down the core every 4-7 days.  This would lead to rot in 3-4 weeks.

Early October an exchange with Millet spurred a memory from the prior year with the first successful top that was growing, I simply misted it with water once or twice a week.  I have resumed this, and the last three tops I tried in October have yet to fail.  They all appear healthy so far :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: November 06, 2020, 10:08:59 AM »
Cen and spaugh, well, that's disappointing, but not unexpected.  I guess commercial pineapples are trickier to get the correctly ripe ones.

On another note, sadly my pineapple seedling didn't make it.  Randomly turned grey and appears gone :(  I'll keep trying though!

I get what JakeFruit is saying, and definitely empathize with him/her/it.  My only two ground-planted citrus are small and young, their new leaves were hit by leaf miners and slugs, and it got a bit worse even after weekly spraying with neem oil+soap last couple months.  It looks ugly and makes the trees look sick, but I've left them on since I'd really like the plants to grow some more before any pruning/shaping.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: October 26, 2020, 04:40:14 PM »
I have some growing now. It didn't take as long as described in internet articles and YouTube. I had them on a damp paper towel in a plastic bag on a heat mat. So far about half have sprouted, but I haven't given up on the others yet. I think I started less than a month ago and the first ones took a couple of weeks, but I didn't keep any notes.
I have been spreading the seeds over moist coco coir / perlite in a shallow pot and kept it covered with plastic wrap for humidity.  One sprouted, let's hope it survives 8)

For those who come across this thread looking into research and more info, I found the following links helpful in understanding differences:

Why remove the damaged leaves?

Looks pretty cool although there is no way that I am paying $49 for some pineapples ;)

I almost did. I am glad FLNative posted.

That was my reaction first, but then I remembered purchasing a $100 bottle of champagne once to bring as a New Year's gift to my gf's family.  It was yellow and had a rooster on it, the bottle was empty within minutes of being opened, and I don't even drink.  So I'm curious to try this fruit!  If it doesn't become available locally, I'll purchase one in a few months when I get together with some friends of mine. :) 

It does seem like more of a novelty, and the marketing suggests it is intended to be served with adult beverages. 

Also, it appears purchasing any pineapples direct from the growers are just as expensive.  I've always wondered why - is it the shipping?  Or is there more to it?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: October 13, 2020, 03:52:28 PM »
They probably just cut the tops off and throw them in the trash so you can't copy them.
Likely, and also don't forget that's just a picture on the website, they might actually pull the top out completely.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: October 12, 2020, 02:32:53 PM »
Has anyone tried growing pineapples from seed?  When I cut into a pineapple last week from the store, it was full of seeds - never noticed this before.  I rinsed them and put them in a seedling tray (peat/coir/pumice) with heat mat and humidity cover.  Curious if they'll actually sprout.  Just for laughs :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pine bark uses for 5-1-1 potting mixes
« on: October 11, 2020, 09:30:56 AM »
Storm,  thank you for your suggestions.  I did call all landscape supplies companies here in Oxnard and Camarillo but no luck.  They only carry small bark nuggets.  After searching the Internet, I found  Whittier Fertilizer and Landscape Supplies in Pico Riviera seem to have mini bark nuggets.  Though it is quite a drive for you from Orange County.  Have you ever checked them out?  They sell by the yard.

Thanks for the idea.  Good news is most of the suggestions I presented work fine my situation.  That said, I'm always up for an adventure, the Whittier place is a trek but not so far to keep me away.  Found them on the internet, and the picture of their mini nugget looks like it would need to be sifted so that's a no go for me, too much work.  Another idea for you to consider, pick up the smallest bark nugget you can locally, and run it through one of those blower/chipper things.  I've read some people have success with this.

I did forget one other product that I had and worked well: whitney farms organic mulch.  One nursery near me sell it, however, it has been almost impossible to get locally due to covid.  It's no more or no less expensive than the other options. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pine bark uses for 5-1-1 potting mixes
« on: October 09, 2020, 10:19:28 AM »
I struggled with this at the end of 2019 and early into 2020.  I ended up testing many of these products:
1. Gardener's brand seedling orchid bark, runs about $9-11 for a 2cuft bag; the local company "Kellogg" owns this brand; no need to sift
2. Forrest Products "soil conditioner", it's a 3cuft green and white bag, runs about $12-14; no need to sift
3. Look up local soil/mulch/compost companies and call to see if they let you purchase by bag or bring your own bag to fill with a shovel.  I've got at two near me in OC.  One offers both bark fines and hummus, but only certain times of the year.
4. I think EB Stone might have orchid seedling bark as well
5. reptibark - at many pet supply.  I ended up not purchasing this, the price is stupid, and the orchid seedling bark is just as good
6. Some feed supply places may carry various barks as well, you'll have to visit, I did not have luck with this
7. Same as #3, except check horse yards to see if there are any small compost companies there and look at their compost product - the one near me does a bark and horse poop mixture which looks like it will work well mixed with perlite/pumice and maybe a little less peat.  I plan to try this with some veges next spring.  I believe Camarillo should have a lot of stables and isn't too far?
8. Kellogg organic mixes, such as garden soil

If you are trying to find omri or organic, good luck.  I got caught up for a couple months searching high and low to find the perfect components in order that my container plants perform at their peak, and my experience has been it doesn't really matter what you purchase as long as you can get it to drain well, which is accomplished by adding perlite/pumice.  And you probably won't save money going this route vs. just picking up any of the kellogg bags ("garden soil" is cheapest down here).

One last thing: if you go route of product that has compost or organic matter in it (e.g. kellogg), be prepared for fungus gnats.  If they are non-edible plants the imidichloprid based granules are perfect and will stop them.  if they are edibles, uhmm... good luck. :p

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: September 30, 2020, 06:24:45 PM »
This is my best of three that successfully rooted from grocery-store crowns.  This is exciting for me, it'll be my first tropical fruit success in a long while! :D  Late July it was outgrowing the 1 gallon pot and all I had on hand was this 7 gallon, porous grow bag.  It appears to be doing well, although the leaves have been somewhat pale ever since it began growth after the initial rooting period. 
If you live in zone 8-10 , a greenhouse will be best during winter. 
I don't have space for a greenhouse, and I'm in coastal south OC (zone 10a, can walk to beach) - what do you all think would give this plant best chance of survival with cold a couple months away: leave it alone, place the grow bag into a larger pot to insulate roots from the cold, or bring it indoors?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: A Lesson Re-learned
« on: September 30, 2020, 11:06:31 AM »
Forgive my ignorance are we talking sand/silt/clay proportions like we do with soil in determining if it is a loam etc.

If this is in regard's to Millet's lesson re-learned for citrus, I believe the planting medium may be independent of his lesson.  He's growing his citrus in a 5-2-1 medium (bark, peat, perlit or variations).

Citrus General Discussion / Re: A Lesson Re-learned
« on: September 30, 2020, 10:56:07 AM »
When  the medium dries out the tree and fruit also dry down (become thirsty)  Adding a lot of water to the medium the tree starts drinking quickly.  This causes the fruit to take in water and drink rapidly.  The fruit's peel cannot expand as fast as the water comes in, and the fruit burst (cracks)  What is best is to keep the medium evenly moist.

By the way, I say a post where you are having trouble getting pineapples to root.  I grow a LOT (50 at a time) of pineapples in my greenhouse here in Colorado, both in ground and in containers.  The procedure is to break off a slip  from the mother plant, then peel of the bottom leaves until you have a 2 to 2.5 inch clean leaf free stump.  Then set the slip on a open air bench in full sunlight for about a week to cure (IMPORTANT). Actually pineapples are an amazing plant.  You could actually leave a slip say out in the open air on a bench for a month, and it will still grow.  This cures the slip and also stops the slip from rotting when planted.  Then go ahead a stick the pineapple slip in either the ground or a container.  You should have about a 90 to 95 percent rooting.

Thank you for clarifying the watering lesson and sharing!

For pineapples, I don't have luxury yet growing from slips, all my issues have been with getting grocery-store tops to grow.  I somehow missed spaugh's offer, which I think would have helped resolve my starting issues and let me focus on growing plants now and making more from slips later.  Fortunately, I have one plant so far that appears to be well established and growing!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: A Lesson Re-learned
« on: September 29, 2020, 05:52:13 PM »
Hi there, I enjoy your posts very much.  Having difficulty understanding the lesson?  If the medium dries out, you should water gradually?  Or don't let the medium dry out?

Thank you, sorry to be a bother.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: confirming issues on citrus
« on: September 07, 2020, 02:02:33 PM »
Thank you for the help!

I had been spraying BT and neem oil in June and July, but got lazy in the second half of August and woke up to this one morning.  Drat.  I do wish the BT and Neem Oil would no "go bad" quickly once mixed up, it's tricky mixing up a small batch.

Citrus General Discussion / confirming issues on citrus
« on: September 05, 2020, 12:58:36 PM »
Hi there:

It appears I have leaf miner, grasshoppers, and slugs?  I have four small citrus: 2 that I cut down and am letting rootstock grow for grafting next spring, these are in pots, and two dwarf in the ground.  The leafminer and grasshopper bites seem worst on the potted one, while the in-ground ones doesn't seem so bad, but they are covered in some sort of strange residue.. slugs?  Uh boy, I'm confused.  One of the plants also has a lot of ants but I don't see aphids, they are just crawling up and down the branches.

Thank you for reading :)

Citrus General Discussion / Re: growth from rootstock
« on: July 24, 2020, 05:34:47 PM »
Hi there, original poster with a 2 month post-transplant follow up, hoping for a little advice :)

Late may I cleaned the old soil, and fit the two citrus stumps into smaller containers with a 5-1-1 potting mix, kept in area with mild morning sun and afternoon shade.  One appears to have survived well (blue rim grow bag), while the one in the white rimmed grow bag seems to be experiencing a delayed shock?  It was fine through June, then early July the bottom leaves curled.  Top ones are wilting a bit, I let the soil dry a little the last couple days, concerned with possible overwatering since there are no bugs and temps have been mild here in coastal southern california.

My original plan was to wait until next spring, but, I guess I'm just anxious to start.  Should I wait to bud/graft until next spring now that August is nearly here?  Would I be attaching to the stump of a trunk or to the green growths?

Thank you!

Blue Rim:

White Rim:

I looked into this a couple months ago and wanted to try growing it in either a self-watering container or variation of this (semi-hydro) since my climate tends to be 65%+ humidity.  The cost of the plant kind of threw me off.  Those of you in so cal, where did you get the pandan?  A little bit of searching shows only a few sources and their prices seemed like a gouge for something apparently easy to propagate?

Wow.. this looks fun!  A short plant with unique fruit.  I just called around a few nurseries near me here in so cal since logee's can't ship here, and none have it :(

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria newbie questions
« on: July 09, 2020, 03:37:41 PM »
The picture makes it look dry, but in person it appears to be alive and fine.  I keep the soil moist, how often depends on temp and sun here.  Maybe I'll take it back indoors until it has leaves?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Myrciaria newbie questions
« on: July 09, 2020, 02:13:23 PM »
Hi there:

I purchased on impulse and planted a "Myrciaria sp., Escarlate" seed near the end of April this year.  The seed went into one of the 1.5"x1.5" six-pack pots, reused from some nursery seedling purchase.  "Soil" is a mix of coconut coir and perlite.  I kept it covered in south-facing window on a seedling mat inside.

It sprouted early-mid June, and then a couple weeks later relocated it outside to a warmish area that gets sun until about noon, shady rest of the day.  It hasn't really done much since, having remained as a tiny little sprout with a bud and no leaves since then - the bud has lengthened a bit in the past week.    I read up on jaboticaba and learned this happens on occasion.  I am coastal south-OC (southern california).

Here are a few questions:
1. what is the abbreviation "sp." for ?
2. what should I do next:
  a) move to a 4" pot?  When?
  b) bring it back indoors?
  c) put it in better soil mix now, such as a 5-1-1 that's acidic in the 5.5-6.5 range?
3. "feeding" plans, anything extra needs to be done for best success?  I did the below mostly on a whim, was not planned
  a) I gave a small drink of 1/2 strength DG foliage pro mid june
  b) yesterday while watering other outdoor plants, I gave it a light watering with a normal dose of a 2-2-2 fish/seaweed/molasses fertilizer (something I picked up last year from HD, "Kellogg" brand).

Thank you for your time!


Citrus General Discussion / Re: growth from rootstock
« on: May 28, 2020, 08:18:09 PM »
I have no idea wheher this rootstock is healthy, so this is becoming more of an experiment and learning exercise.  I am "OP", see first post of this thread for what I'm doing.

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