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Ive got one in 7 gal available

I wish you were not over 3 hours away as I would be interested.  Just too long a drive for a tree at my age.  Someone will be sure to score it.

ZHHP is propagating them so they should be finding their way to retail nurseries.  Keep checking around.

No luck so far after checking around a bit.  However there was one offering around Oct 15th for an 18-inch air-layer of 'Butterscotch' on eBay with vendor asking $200 for it!  Yikes! Way too rich for my blood. Even so someone apparenty sprang for it as the auction closed marked 'sold' after two days.

Anyway, still looking for a 'Butterscotch' priced so that an Olde Retired Kreaker like me might be able to afford it.
(Not holding breath!)

Epicatt, did you ever find your Butterscotch Sapodilla?  I am in the South Lakeland, FL area and have just started looking.  If you located anything within reasonable driving distance and not outrageously priced, I would really appreciate you sharing your info.  Thanks


Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What to plant in wet muck soil
« on: January 14, 2021, 02:54:28 PM »
I was by no means suggesting planting the Brazilian Pepper.  My thinking was to go out and find one growing in the wild, dig it up, lop off the top and destroy that part immediately and then graft a Mango variety or two to the rootstock hoping it will take per that link I provided earlier and have more potential of surviving in wet soil due to the rootstock itself.

I used to live on Tampa Bay and we quite often had salt air winds coming off the bay.  Also, my next door neighbor had 2 huge mango trees that produced large but fiberous mangos that had a great flavor and were less than 100 ft from the seawall.  These trees were never sprayed, fertilized or anything but, in season, the branches hung over one corner of my rooftop deck nearly 40 feet in the air and we could just reach out and pick them without any problem.

In the 12 years we had that property, we went through cold snaps, storms that literally splashed salt water against the seawall and over his single story house onto the trees, etc and the trees remained unphased by it all.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What to plant in wet muck soil
« on: January 12, 2021, 12:59:31 AM »
I am going to throw a real wrench into this.  There is an invasive that I believe does very well in wet muck soil called the Brazilian Pepper.  Also back in 2018 there was something published about grafting mango to the Brazilian Pepper for the purpose of having it grow in a wet clay soil.  The paper spoke of some follow up because it looked like while there was some limited success, it was done at the wrong time of the year.  But while there was a mention within the paper of a follow up, I can not locate it. 

Yes, the two plants are related according to the paper and while I am not advocating propagating an invasive, if such a graft did work for wet muck style soil, it could generate a group out there digging up the invasive in the wild to graft onto and propagate mango varieties that could do well in some of the muck soil we have around  Florida.

Here is the link to that paper  ---

Please don't stone me for my off the wall thinking.

I did not realize that Daconil (chlorothalonil active ingredient) was labeled for mango, but it is on this list from the University of Hawaii as being effective against powdery mildew and possibly anthracnose.

Here is a youtube video about protecting mango bloom from powdery mildew and anthracnose featuring one of the experts from this forum. It is very informative. Har points out that sulfur is only a preventative for powdery mildew, and that you may need to spray more than once a week to get complete protection if there is heavy rain.

Several days ago, I saw Har's youtube video and while I really appreciate it, I did post a couple of questions there which unfortunately have yet to be answered.  Perhaps someone here that is familiar with the video can answer them for me.  First, while many recommend not spraying copper and sulphur within the same mix, it appears that is what Har did in this video using copper soap and I just wanted to confirm this.  I do recall that in a couple of posts on this forum Cookie Monster posted about doing this as well.  Second, I didn't see Har use any sort of sticker and was wondering if one could prove beneficial.  Again, I believe Cookie Monster had posted about using Kinetic if I remember correctly and personally believe it would prove beneficial.

Any input from others more knowledgeable than myself would certainly be appreciated by me and I would suspect others as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Agitator kit for backpack sprayer
« on: January 06, 2021, 08:57:24 AM »
Someone here put 12v bilge pump in tank to recirculate mix.
Sounds like great solution to me.

Side note, sulfur label i read yesterday said mix amount to be used in little water to make paste before adding rest of water.
I am one that did the bilge pump for my 15 gallon tank and it works well.  I was trying to think out of the box here for agitating a smaller backpack sprayer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Agitator kit for backpack sprayer
« on: January 06, 2021, 08:16:59 AM »
Off the wall thought here.  There are some small handheld waterproof misting fans that are pretty cheap.  While the misting feature would not be of any help, I wonder if the mechanisms are sealed well enough that you could use the misting area to counterweight it down, and just drop it into the tank with it turned on.  The fan blade mechanism would agitate the liquid inside the backpack and be safe as long as the battery compartment and the blade bearings seal out water penetration.  Even if the battery compartment is not sealed, you could put a little silicone around that area and peel it away when the batteries need to be changed.

These things are real cheap, many under $10.  Just get one that has a shroud around the blades so it operates continuously. It would probably be easy to even try a little velcro with double sided tape to attach it in a particular spot at the bottom of the tank and thus be removable.

Crazy but might just work.

The most recent video at Truly Tropical, showing a specific formula for spraying Sulfur with Copper Soap and Kelp.  Only if your sprayer has a good motorized agitator.

If you could respond to the questions I posted on your youtube video it would be greatly appreciated, Har.  Thanks

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Agitator kit for backpack sprayer
« on: January 05, 2021, 01:29:42 PM »
Trying to be creative here. Since I can't imagine a backpack sprayer holding more than a couple of gallons of product, perhaps you could fabricate a holder for a battery operated handheld kitchen blender or mixer which might move the material enough. Just an off the wall thought and would require some sort of fabrication to hold it in position while it is running.

I would be curious as to where you purchased it.  We purchased one like that from Home Depot last spring and it had buds all over it.  We transplanted it and while we did not get a lot of peaches, the ones we did get were incredible.  Unfortunately we had recently purchased the property and did not realize how wet our back yard gets.  Just poorly perking soil and the tree got real wet feet.  We have been hoping it would come back but no luck so far.  Still hoping but I would like to get another just in case and create more of a mound to plant it on in hopes that helps.

I bought a 15 gallon Country Way sprayer that has an everflo pump from Rural King for $60.  The sprayer itself is pitiful so I replaced that for another $20 and then I got an inexpensive bilge pump designed for a boat for another $15 and put that into the spray tank.  It does a decent job of keeping the micronized sulphur in suspension as it just keeps recirculating the liquid in the tank.  Just fill with what I am going to be spraying and have a 15 ft hose to the sprayer with the tank on the back of my carryall cart and it works well for me.  For those on a more strict budget that do not have a carryall, just put the tank in a wagon to move it around from tree to tree.

I don't think there is anything wrong with planting them directly in the ground as long as your soil drains extremely well because dragon fruit prefers drier soil.  We live in South Lakeland and unfortunately our soil does not drain very well so we have ours in pots with a trellis inside each pot. 
Hope this does not offend anyone but there is another spot with great information on dragon fruit with a number of participants that live and grow dragon fruit in Florida and that is on Facebook, Dragon fruit growers of North America.  A moderator there, Michael Floridino, has a significant size farm in Central Florida and is also a wealth of information.  As you plan to start, if you are doing anything of size, it might be worth trying to arrange a trip to see his operation.
Best of luck to you and I look forward to seeing posts of your progress.

Exacto knife
A friend bought me one and it is the best knife I have ever

I agree with you about the Exacto knife but have a couple of things to add about it.  I used to be in the picture framing industry and actually developed, manufactured and sold a couple of cutting tools for the trade.  First, do not try to buy inexpensive blades as they are not nearly as polished and sharp.  Second, at one point I put together a package consisting of a piece of leather attached to a block of wood with a small amount of a very fine grinding compound and a small amount of cutting blade wax.  I sold a number of these kits for those that did decorative cutting in mats.  Many would do freehand design cuts in mats using an Xacto knife.  They would swear by resharpening the razor blade of the Xacto knife by periodically running it back and forth over the leather strap on one side with the grinding compound then the other side with the wax.  I would get repeated compliments about how the blade would continue to sharpen over time.  One even took the time to use a microscope with pics about how the small grinding marks on the blade would disappear over time improving the ease with which it cut.  Not a new idea, just a different twist as barbers have used a leather strap to sharpen a straight edge for many years.

I agree that preventative measures should be taken before either of these even take hold as they can be near impossible to eradicate if they get started.  I would like to first add that everyone needs to be sure about compatibility as well.  For instance, I was recently looking at using a horticultural oil for insects and very clearly on the label it stated not to use it if sulphur has been used within the last three weeks and once applied, do not use sulphur for the next three weeks.  Sulphur, in my opinion, can be a great tool for avoiding powdery mildew but this would make using it very difficult at best.

Also, Cookie Monster has posted a number of messages about this subject that are very helpful from my limited knowledge.  I will try to pull a couple of those up and provide links later today.  I do have to say that some of his recommendations are better directed for those with more than a few trees as the quantities in which they are sold are better suited for that purpose.  He did have posts relative to the Bonide products which you mention of micronized sulphur and copper.  He also was very specific about not sticking to one regimen but alternating products so the diseases do not build up a resistance.  THANKS TO Cookie Monster FOR ALL OF YOUR VALUABLE POSTS ON THIS AND OTHER SUBJECTS!

Additionally, I recently saw a couple of threads with another group that were advocating the use of Daconil for both powdery mildew and anthracnose.  They also spoke of it being waterproof which to me may not be quite accurate.  Perhaps it is more water resistant to a degree.  One poster did speak of his experience being better for it without using any surfactant sticker.  Perhaps the ingredients in it include a surfactant.

Thanks bovine for starting such a timely thread for so many of us here.  While there are other threads that have previously been posted in this forum, they are not always the easiest to locate for me at least as I am not very knowledgeable on doing searches.  Also, with starting a new thread like this, perhaps others will chime in about newer products available for fighting these.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help. I need to buy 400 pot 10 gallon
« on: December 28, 2020, 01:34:01 PM »
If you go to Facebook Marketplace, I would be surprised if there isn't someone selling used ones real cheap.  Just another option if you are not concerned about them being used.

I am in South Lakeland, not that far from Tampa and Weather Underground is predicting 32 here for Saturday morning.  Get confirmation predictions from several sources to be safe.

I know it has been brought up before but it is easy to forget.  If you are using a well with a water softener it can cause issues.  I have a well but if I forget to shut the softener side and tank off beforehand, my hose will tend to drain the tank first which is softened water.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone 9b space coast Florida peaches?
« on: December 18, 2020, 01:20:58 PM »
We live in South Lakeland, FL and just under a year ago we saw a Tropic Snow Peach tree at Home Depot that was a good 6 ft tall in a 15 gallon container for about $130 and it was full of blooms.  We lost some of the flowers getting it home and in planting it I managed to get a stress fracture and torn meniscus in my left leg but it was planted.  We got about two dozen amazing peaches off of it.  Then about August it lost all of its leaves and have seen nothing since but still hopeful that it has not died as when I scrape a branch, I still see signs of green.

If the tree does not make it, I think we will still try another.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fertilizer/Soil Order for Mango Tree
« on: December 14, 2020, 02:36:17 PM »
With talk of time release fertilizers potentially washing out with periodic rainstorms, why wouldn't it make more sense to go on a regimen of using water soluble fertilizers on a more regular basis.  Particularly in an area like Florida with the downpours we often receive.  I recognize that this would require being more dedicated and consistent in following a strict timetable.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shade
« on: December 11, 2020, 05:40:37 PM »
What is causing the shade?  If it is a tree or 2 you may just want to remove them in favor of tropical fruit plantings.

Here in Lakeland, FL we are projected for mid 30's for the overnight low.  Right now 38.8 degrees but doesn't seem to be dropping much at this point.  While I set up existing frames and frost cloth from last year, I also had to build new ones for the additions this past spring and summer.  Just hoping we get lucky and dodge the freeze bullet.  Another 4 or 5 hours and we should know.  Nurseries in the area were pumping the water over the plants at 5 last evening and I would guess by now the local strawberry fields are being sprayed as well to be safe.

What a great thing to do!  All the best for a safe and happy Holiday Season.

I am fairly new to the forum and am finding that I have a lot to learn with a limited time left, being older than dirt, or at least often feeling that way.  I do see quite a number of comments interspersed about growing organically and am raising the question relative to the possibility of setting up a separate topic area or sub topic area dedicated to those who are or want to grow organically?  Just posing a question about this and wondering if others believe it might be worthwhile.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« on: November 22, 2020, 05:39:41 AM »
Anyone tried Keyplex DP Blossom Formula.  It contains Calcium, Magnesium and Boron.  I just purchased a 2/1/2 gallon container of it to try on my mango trees as a foliar spray.  I decided to give it a go in conjunction with using the Keyplex 350.  To me, it might be a little more of a challenge because the directions do say to apply it "prior to bloom and no later than early pinhead bud stage".  I will probably have to mix small quantities as my trees are of different varieties that bloom at different times of the year.  But, I have heard some good things about Keyplex 350 so when I saw this, I figured it might be worth a shot. 

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