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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GMO Papaya/Solo Papayas in Florida
« on: September 08, 2018, 11:24:48 AM »
I have been harvesting from all 4 types of Solo papayas here in Sarasota, FL 34240. These Waimanalo X-77 were soft on the "tree" this morning and taste incredible. There have been some what I believe is fungal issues on the skin and some have worms from the Papaya wasp but I haven't been proactive in bagging or using the tanglefoot/green ball method. I am wondering if the fungus enters through the stinging injuries.


I will try some grafting experiments at a later time with Red Lady or another reliable Florida producer rootstock to see if that helps push them along in the cooler months. 

Zoli is the best. I have had the pleasure of spending some time with him in person and he does an excellent job. Recalcitrant seeds are tricky and he puts in the maximum effort on his end.

Sowed the seeds in october 2017, sprouted few weeks ago.

Your seedlings have pale green "smooth" opaque leaves.
Mine have glossy leathery leaves similar to the one of annona muricata.
Something is wrong, what are the "right" leaves of annona diversifolia?

Hi Lory. I think Raul had about 13 or 14 different types of Ilama in the seed batches and they types got mixed up quite a bit. I think they ended up being separated by flesh color. It may be genetic diversity.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are Forgotten Crops the Future of Food?
« on: August 26, 2018, 09:18:34 PM »
I am certain Artocarpus altilis and Bactris gasipaes can easily feed the world.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« on: August 24, 2018, 07:31:24 AM »
Vernmented, here is what my Leo #3 Hybrid Fruit looks like in the early stages of growth. They are not really mammilated at this young stage.

The little blue painters tape I used for tagging the Fruit work great in the early stages but as the Fruit expands, the tape can fall off. Now that theyíre about golf ball size, I wrote directly on the Fruit so I donít lose track of whatís what.


Nice! Thank you. I love the way your LM-3 look. Great experiment. I will hopefully have some cherimoya flowers to play with next year.

You can bring soiless plants through USDA inspection station at the airport.  :)

I am very interested in this process. I only have experience with the small seed lot permit and everything has to be sent in the mail. You can't hand carry anything. Do you need to quarantine the plants in a locked greenhouse or are they ok since they are from PR/USA?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« on: August 03, 2018, 01:57:49 PM »
Here are some LM-3 fruits. They look different than your but Annonas a variable and I hand pollinated with a mix of different pollens.

This is amazing! Also, teach the girls how to graft.  ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 5 best dwarf mango tree/fruit
« on: July 10, 2018, 03:50:28 PM »
Amrapali is an excellent tasting mango. It is so dwarf I have heard of people having trouble getting it to grow.

Thanks for the info. I'll be adding those to my wish list. I wonder if there are any of these in Florida.

Juicy Pearls are not C.cainito but C.argentium subs auratum I believe. Oscar has a similar one that is probably the same species. These were 2m productive seedling hard pruned to become small and thick for the rest of their days. They needed to be fruiting and mature for this to work best and for them to fruit immediately. Pedalai is as big as any Artocarpus and can be much more than 100 feet and very wide. Soft fruit falling from great heights leave little for eating being a thing smear over a large area.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava scions ?
« on: July 10, 2018, 03:42:30 PM »
I have had good luck just cleft grafting. I use buddy tape to wrap the leafless scions and grafting rubbers to secure the union. I then wrap the union in buddy tape after I rubber band it.

This may have been covered before but are those Juicy Pearls as different species than Chrysophyllum cainito? All of them that I have seen have had the dark coloring on the bottom of the leaves.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ilama germination
« on: July 08, 2018, 01:01:34 PM »
I have used a 300ppm ga3 soak with dry seeds for 24 hours. I dissolved the ga3 in a small amount of 91% rubbing alcohol. I think most germinated within 2 weeks.

Excellent report!

I have a few Coconut seedlings going here as well and some grafted trees of Whitman and Cuban that I got from JF. I am slightly out of zone here but I have premium sheltered spot with a rootstock growing right now to graft all these different varieties onto. I have never tasted a top tier soursop and I am confident I can push some along here.

I guess I will have to add Arusha to the wishlist.

I have some small seedlings from a seedling Amber jackfruit tree here as well. So much great stuff in Australia!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree getting too much water??
« on: June 15, 2018, 02:00:51 PM »
Large enriched mounds with heavy mulch. I put almost everything up on mounds. White Sapote and Avocado get XTRA large mounds. Eventually the perennial peanut will grow in and I will just add thin layers of mulch on top of that for fungal feeding and general health.


Is that avocado tree growing in the mound of wood chips/barks? Or is it growing in a mound of soil but covered with a thick layer of wood chips/barks?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree getting too much water??
« on: June 15, 2018, 12:05:16 AM »
This is how I plant mine and my yard doesn't even flood. They really like heavy mulch.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmon
« on: June 08, 2018, 03:09:35 PM »
I think the only persimmon Zill grafts is South Florida aka Hudson. It is probably ultra rootbound like every other persimmon I have seen that wasn't purchased bare root. I would give it some more time.

Not sure. They were from a farm.

Surinam Cherry doesn't grow true from seed. I had a Zill Dark seedling that made red fruit. The only way to get a Zill Dark plant is to buy a grafted one.

I have tasted that before. I have also had great fruit without that weirdness.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JF Annona grafting in Florida
« on: May 31, 2018, 04:13:52 PM »
Fruit looks great, Iím eager to hear your report on the Fruit, especially from the LM 3. Did you have to hand pollinate the LM 3 to get fruit? It would be great to hear from a Floridian on how the LM 3 compares to something like the Dream Annona. Please keep us updated!


I try to get out every night there are flowers and hand pollinate.

Great looking fruits! In Cali, Calostro has the most chewiest flesh of all APs here. And from the cut fruit photo, I could see that the fruit also has some grittiness around the seed alveoles along with some sprouted seeds as well. I was hoping the Florida growing conditions would correct these annoyances.

There was some of those gritty pockets around the seed but it didn't bother me too much. I am excited to try some more during the regular season. I picked some before hurricane Irma hit and they were tasty but things were so crazy around here I didn't really sit down and analyze them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / JF Annona grafting in Florida
« on: May 30, 2018, 02:21:49 PM »
Calostro seems to be doing well here in Sarasota. I try to get out and hand pollinate when I can but this also seems to set readily on its own. Fruits are tasty and it grows well on my Dream rootstock.

This fruit set after the heavy pruning I did for hurricane Irma. I picked it in early May and it still tasted good despite overwintering and hanging on the tree after it was HEAVILY pruned in Spring.

The La Habra Sun is quite prolific and great flavored.

I have some LM-3s hanging now which I am really excited to try

Also, various other stuff has small fruits or flowers. Anona Dulce, Arka Sahan, Birula, Pink's Mammoth, Big Green......

Thanks Frank! It is exciting to try all this stuff.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-rootstock avocados?
« on: May 30, 2018, 01:59:12 PM »
Double Root

Lula on left Choquette on right

Double Root

Dupuis. I will graft on Miguel in the Fall for cross pollination.

The tree looks pretty good but if you end up planting another avocado I like to plant them on the largest amended mound you can build and then mulch the bejeezus out of it. They really take off. If you can graft just directly plant the seed on the mound and then graft onto the perfect root system in October - April or so. They really take off then.

Avocados like mulch more than most fruit trees.

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