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I have a small Ugly Betty Tree (like 3 ft tall) that I have had for over a year now. It flowered like crazy this spring and set half a dozen fruits. I let them get to grape size and then culled them (tree is too small to hold fruits anyway). But in our desert climate Ugly Betty seems to be a very happy camper.

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**** Sorry, meant to send as a PM

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Got Macadamia Nuts?
« on: April 24, 2019, 08:14:17 PM »
Whoa, that is a beaut!! Is that Patrick's tree?

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I tried and was said no to Shasta, Yosemite, and Tahoe gold varieties. only bet is to buy trees

Cool, thanks behl. Yep, I agree.

Problem is that none of the AZ nurseries (that I could find at least. Sunset is the one that supplies most of the citrus around here) propagates them and any place online that has them won't ship to AZ.

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Where did you find the budwood for your Shasta Gold?

I have been reading about it and based on descriptions you have posted on TFF and others comments on other forums it sounds like one that I want to try.

UCR has it in their collection: https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/tde2.html

However, the don't offer it on the CCPP budwood order page. If I search the page for 'Shasta' or 'tde2' or '490' (the UCR VI for Shasta Gold is 490) it is not listed as something I can order budwood from.

I have seen a few nurseries online that sell the trees, but they don't ship to AZ.

CCPP just updated their website.  I think this is the old form: https://ccpp.ucr.edu/budwood/forms/2013-Forms/ScreenhouseFaxOrderForm.pdf

If you look at the (*) it appears you need a license agreement for the TDE budwood. I don't know how that works but perhaps shoot them an email.

Vail,

Thanks. Yeah I noticed they update the CCPP ordering site between last month and this month.
Ahhhh, that makes sense. I did not know that Shasta Gold was a patented and/or licensed variety. So I bet that I (home grower) can't get access to it through their repository.

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Have you tried Dekopon before?

(I find them to be very sweet and overly rich, almost slight mango flavor, but makes a great snack food for a paper bag lunch, kind of like an orange that is easier to peel. Personally I still prefer Shasta Gold though)

SoCal2warm,

Where did you find the budwood for your Shasta Gold?

I have been reading about it and based on descriptions you have posted on TFF and others comments on other forums it sounds like one that I want to try.

UCR has it in their collection: https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/tde2.html

However, the don't offer it on the CCPP budwood order page. If I search the page for 'Shasta' or 'tde2' or '490' (the UCR VI for Shasta Gold is 490) it is not listed as something I can order budwood from.

I have seen a few nurseries online that sell the trees, but they don't ship to AZ.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
« on: April 15, 2019, 11:24:27 AM »
Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?

I have been looking into grafting lychees and Oscar pointed out (back in a post in 2012 I think) that the chance for a good take increases if a lychee is grafted onto a seedling from the same cultivar. And because I am very interested in grafting a No Mai Tsze lychee, I am looking for No Mai Tsze seeds.

So my question (and request) to anyone growing No Mai Tsze lychees: Could you save the seeds? I would love to try sprouting the seeds and grafting onto the seedlings.

Thanks!

Old Post but wanted to inform that No Mai Tze is very compatible grafting onto longan and hakip rootstocks. I got takes in 3 spots 5 grafts It failed on Brewster. Grows aggressive on longan. It even bloomed in first season.

That is great information, thanks for sharing!
I have a Diamond River longan that I think is going to get topworked then ... :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: To Mulch or Not to Mulch (Fruit Trees)
« on: April 13, 2019, 02:36:50 PM »
My neighbor just told me that landscapers had heavily mulched her avocado tree (week or 2 ago?), and it quickly died. It was a large tree. The stump is at least 2 feet in diameter. Will try to get more info.

Fresh mulch can reach 180 degrees F while breaking down, at which point it will catch fire.  What soil temperature would kill an avocado tree?  120-130?   If you take wood chips and compost them, you still have wood chips 2 months later, just much less, but much safer.  Or if you do want to apply fresh mulch, make a high donut ring far from the main stem, the larger the tree the farther away you go.  Make it high and as thin as possible.

Everybody's mulch is different, and your trees likely can build up a tolerance to mulching, eventually your trees can handle a huge mound of mulch around them, but don't go from zero to that much immediately.

This is a very good point. We would get wood chip piles from fresh tree trimmings (particularly if there are a lot of leaves too) that are giving off sensible heat even several inches away. If you spread this on top of existing mulch (which is insulating) and the layer is not too thick the tree will likely be fine. But if you put a thick layer of fresh tree trimmings on top of tree roots that had no mulch to begin with and that tree has a lot of surface-feeder roots (like avocados) the ground and surface roots will quickly get to tree-threatening temperatures.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf pomegranate that doesn't suck?
« on: April 08, 2019, 09:58:49 AM »
Nope, sorry, that's kind of the definition of a "dwarf pomegranate". You get tiny dwarf fruits.


That was not my question. I don't care if the fruit is small. I want to the fruits (whatever size they are) to be eating quality.

However, the variety Parfianka (as well as many other hardy Russian varieties) grows to be smaller than most.

You can of course use skilled pruning to keep the bush as small as you want, as long as you are sure to keep up pruning every year.

I do not find Parfianka to be a small grower. I have many grafted many varieties onto my large Wonderful bush: http://desertvalleyorchard.blogspot.com/p/frankenpomegranate.html

And again, that was not my question. I know I can prune to keep shape. I do a lot of pruning in my yard.

So the question stands: Is there a dwarf pomegranate that produces high eating quality fruit (i.e. doesn't suck).

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Dwarf pomegranate that doesn't suck?
« on: April 07, 2019, 08:38:20 PM »
Does anybody know of a dwarf pomegranate whose fruit doesn't suck?

I have 3 dwarfs that I uses a very narrow hedge. They are the 'Red Lady' dwarfs from Florida Hill Nursery that I bought years ago. The plants are *beautiful*. Very short internode spacing and slow grow. They look full and lush and 'feathery' even in full AZ sun. And they are usually full of miniature pomegranates that hang like ornaments. I am incredibly happy with these plants....

... except for the flavor. The pomegranates are exceptionally hard seeded, arils are bitter with no balancing sweetness. In a word, they suck.

They are essentially inedible. So these plants are basically ornamental plants now. Not the worst thing in the world... but I think I can do better than that.

I would love to graft on a variety that has the same dwarf habit, but that has better fruit.

So: who knows of a dwarf variety with (verifiably) good fruit?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Suriname Cherries - Advice?
« on: April 04, 2019, 11:08:09 AM »
^^^ what Barath said

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Mark in Texas can tell you about the citrus bureau there. They get it from CCPP and both CCPP and they tack on a nice surcharge. $150 budwood.

Someone contacted CCPP recently and told me they will have it again in June.

Cool, thanks Fang!

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Have you tried Dekopon before?

(I find them to be very sweet and overly rich, almost slight mango flavor, but makes a great snack food for a paper bag lunch, kind of like an orange that is easier to peel. Personally I still prefer Shasta Gold though)

I have. I really love them. I normally like a lot of acid to balance the sweetness in my citrus. But like you mention, the flavor is so intense and rich. I can only eat one at a time, but I do enjoy them a lot.

I have a lot of other Mandarins growing that I have grafted onto my trees and I just want to add Shiranui to the collection.

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Citrus General Discussion / Clean Shinanui Mandarin Budwood sources
« on: April 03, 2019, 02:29:10 PM »
Has anyone found a source for clean / certified disease free Shiranui (Dekopon, Sumo) Mandarin budwood?

I have checked CCPP off and on and they keep saying Temporarily Unavailable. And from what I gather, many people are interested in the CCPP budwood for Shiranui and can't get it.

Are there any other sources? What about the USDA, does their citrus repository have Shiranui?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Alphonso mango x 1
« on: April 02, 2019, 09:31:12 AM »
Maxi,

If you have a tree to offer, start a new thread with what you have for sale. Don't hijack someone else's for sale thread.

Buy mango trees online from us at competitive price. We are one of the best online shopping site offering genuine mango trees such as Alphonso mangoes tree of the highest grade.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sonoran plum
« on: March 31, 2019, 09:26:08 AM »
Tropica mango in east Mesa.  It is a seedling.  If you buy it, you have to let me know how it did and let me try the fruit, lol.

Cool, I will check in with Alex, thanks! Will do :)

Here is what I am growing: https://desertvalleyorchard.blogspot.com/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sonoran plum
« on: March 28, 2019, 12:35:55 PM »
Anyone have experience with these?  I guess native to the Baja peninsula.  Saw it for sale at a local nursery, but, don't know enough about it to want to purchase.  Anyone know if self fruitful?  Fruit quality? 
I guess it is in the cashew family.

Cool! I just learned about a new tree today.
If you don't mind, what nursery did you see it at?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What is the BEST Lemon Variety?
« on: March 14, 2019, 11:42:59 AM »
Lisbon Lemon tastes like a grocery store lemon as far as lemon juics. But obviously being grown at home the freshness is superior. Especially in the zest. I harvested a few bucket fulls of Lisbon's off my main tree, and made a fresh lemon curd with lots of zest in it. Intensely good.

For a 2x smaller tree, my Meyer Lemon puts out 2x more fruit than my Lisbon. (so something like a 4x production factor). It is crazy productive. But it is not a really a lemon. Definitely characteristics of orange and lemon. The fruits are large and they make a lot of juice.

So between the choices you gave in the original post:
- if you want a lemony lemon, get a Lisbon (or Eureka, both are similar)
- if you want to maximize productivity in a small space, go with a Meyere

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone handy with Win/DOS scripts?
« on: March 12, 2019, 07:23:53 PM »
I do something similar. I am a UNIX weenie but I have some machines that I have to run Windows on.  To back up those machines to other machines and/or external hard disks, I install cygwin and use rsync to back stuff up. I have been using rsync for (many) years and it is very easy to script / and search patterns and wildcards to choose what and what not to back up. It also backs stuff up based on reading the source and destination directories and only backs up files that have changed to make the backups very efficient.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Parentage of Kathy (K-3)
« on: March 08, 2019, 11:09:02 AM »
What is the parentage of Kathy (K-3)?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Low Chill Stone fruits
« on: January 23, 2019, 02:40:04 PM »
I think most of my peach and nectarines are on citation.  Which seems to work fine here.

Yep, every rootstock is site dependent. Citation works good in many places in CA and in some places around Phoenix (yards that have flood irrigation in particular) but every tree on Citation in my yard has died. Neemagaurd has not fared much better. But trees on Myro and Marianna do great in my yard.

Is myrobalan and Myro the same thing? If so I think myrobalan is grown from seed which be very exciting for me.
Is Myro compatable with Peachs? or just plums?

Yep. Myro=myrobalan. I have seen peach trees grafted onto Myro. Buy my best peach trees and peach interspecifics (like Bella Gold Peacotum) are on Lovell Peach rootstock. That is anoth combo that does well in my yard.

Brad, sorry for hijacking your post.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Low Chill Stone fruits
« on: January 22, 2019, 11:36:26 AM »
I think most of my peach and nectarines are on citation.  Which seems to work fine here.

Yep, every rootstock is site dependent. Citation works good in many places in CA and in some places around Phoenix (yards that have flood irrigation in particular) but every tree on Citation in my yard has died. Neemagaurd has not fared much better. But trees on Myro and Marianna do great in my yard.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Low Chill Stone fruits
« on: January 21, 2019, 12:42:55 PM »
Anything around 100 chill hours?

Florida prince, Evas pride, may pride are all the super low chill early types.  My florida prince is already in bloom.

Same here. My floridaprince is in bloom. Always blooms in Jan. Prolific producer of very good early peaches.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya scions?
« on: November 19, 2018, 06:05:21 PM »
Good deal, glad to hear you got what you were looking for.

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Looks awesome Josh!

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