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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fatty tropical fruit photos
« on: March 06, 2019, 08:49:53 PM »

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fatty tropical fruit photos
« on: March 06, 2019, 08:41:12 PM »
I think that I have one of these from when Jim stayed here quite some time ago.  Itís never fruited as of yet.  Like some of the stuff I got from him Iím not so sure that it wants to be at sea level.  Iím thinking the same about Bactris setulosa.
Does anyone have gustavia  superba in production?
Peter
Gustavia superba shown here is around here although I prefer gustavia ĒsuperbaĒ is hard to tell when ripe.


This link is considerably larger than ours, seems the article was posted from Panama?

Anyone know more about this supposed ďsuperbaĒ?

https://anthrome.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/lecydaceae-gustavia-superba-membrillo-paco/


To Fruitlovers,

I think they are somewhat resistant to more acidic soil, not as much as some but maybe apply sulphuric rich fertilizer to lower ph level.. they sometimes only fruit 1/2 years here. I think working with cuttings or air layers is possible with them but I havenít proved it yet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fatty tropical fruit photos
« on: March 02, 2019, 11:57:44 PM »
I've heard that this Gustavia macarenensis "must be eaten at the correct stage of ripeness. If you eat it on Tuesday it is under-ripe, hard and tasteless. If you eat it on Thursday it is overripe with a foul odor and taste. On Wednesday it is a great fruit, rich and oily.", from Jim West.

Oddly I quite disagree with Jim west.. we have considered it to have a long shelf life of 1-2 weeks after being picked and being available to eat out of hand underripe or overripe. Itís possible Jim has himself a bit spoiled with the fruits quality as I find myself after having had some hundreds of a specific fruit..

Usually I prefer them overripe a bit more smelly and soft, locals seem to prefer them underripe and a bit hard fleshed.

Heard that is one of the better tasting of the gustavias.

Hoping to come across a reliably thick fleshed one someday. I suspect they take well by air layers because Iíve seen cut branches trying to root into wet grass before..

Do you eat it out of hand, cook it?

Out of hand, which involves careless abandonment of scrap or a bit of scraping at the inside of the skin which has a sandpaper like edge, trying to free the remaining flesh for ingestion. Underripe there can be a strongly bitter taste from the protective seeds/flesh protective skin... it is pretty enjoyable for us. 4-6 can be a small meal. High quality fatty fruit after Iíd say coming in like after durian, avocado, ackee, but before many palm fruits like aguaje etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fatty tropical fruit photos
« on: February 27, 2019, 05:47:31 PM »
We call these iniaku here, pasu in Peru, and gustavia macarenensis in Latin.

Itís fatty, kind of salty taste.. thin flesh






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Excalibur Red grafted trees from Excalibur
« on: December 01, 2018, 10:29:45 PM »
Any experiences with Red morning fruits? I have collected a handful of jackfruits and transported them internationally from Excalibur nursery, Including Excalibur red.

People have been killed for lesser crimes..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions about Ice Cream Bean
« on: October 31, 2018, 11:01:18 PM »
Best tasting are cinnamon ones but the machete bean has a lot more volume and can be filling.

I have them around 15 flowering and using as chop n drop.

One time a Ecuadorian worker brang a couple beans and gave me one and it was really good. He said he bought it from someone in macas Ecuador. I have planted a few, it was a thin bean or cinnamon bean. But the fruit was larger width than most any others Iíd Seen before and sweeter too. It might have just been recent deforestation or chemical fertilizers. But I hope genetics.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nursery Pot Sources
« on: October 31, 2018, 10:55:24 PM »
Proptek

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana Pruning Tools
« on: October 31, 2018, 10:54:21 PM »
Machete (long). I Chop green leaf stems, saw dried ones. Remove stem down to the corm  about 6 months after harvest.

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Save up some urine or make sure you have a decent fertilizer ready to apply around the time of grafting. Side veneer if you havenít prepped the plant by topping it roughly 1 week or more prior.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black Sapote Propogation by Cuttings
« on: August 13, 2018, 12:23:42 AM »
This is interesting. I have no experience with rooting cuttings but do not the tree is virtually impervious to drought even in a pot.  Many have survived my neglect. However a rooted cutting may not convey the same tolerance and absent a tap root, trees can be very susceptible to wind damage. Keeping a rooted cutting tree small would likely be better.

For the humid tropics with little to no strong winds this sounds like a good way to induce heavier fruit sets =)

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I expect you all enjoy it about as much as I do.

https://youtu.be/3HwWkVZhFbU

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You in the far north or south of Konya side or planning to heavily irrigate? Seems Iona is too try for durian. For seedling durian 30ft or more should be considered. Just plant mid term crops in between like papayas, bananas, grafted white sapote or jackfruit etc and remove them in ten years for the durian to take up the area.

Imo the #1 mistake is planting too close, too close to buildings, and other plants. 10 meters is what we plant durians at and 20 meters between rows.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Black Sapote Propogation by Cuttings
« on: August 12, 2018, 12:29:57 AM »
Sorry I donít have a photo, I might soon. So recently I was surprised a discarded black sapote stem that was discarded onto the soil of a potted black sapote as mulch or whatever stayed alive for maybe a couple months, still green I figured Iíd toss it out of the container and up came a nice little root. So I figured black sapote take by cutting very easily.

Today I searched the internet and found nothing about black sapote cuttings so far. Besides some none experienced based questions of why not.

While grafting some black sapote today I figured Iíd put the rootstock trimmings into some random unused pots with soil in them to see if they take as easily as the other one. I should wait a few months and post more content but Iím eager to pick brains of others. Iíll update this post if there is quality success.

So anyone have experienced with black sapote cuttings or noticed black sapote trimmings taking root before?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Banana photo diagnosis request
« on: August 10, 2018, 11:53:43 PM »
So this area seems to have degraded soil, Iím assuming low ph from agricultural mining but itís also been left to the wild for a couple decades and might have decent ph. Iím not sure. It is tropical ecuador at roughly 850 meter elevation the canopy was opened when the bananas were planted roughly 4 months ago. Any idea why they have the unhealthy growth habit? Slow growth and overly compact leaves it seems to me. It looks kind of like bunch top but the plants we took the suckers from donít have this disease so I think it is soil nutrients or ph..?

https://www.apsnet.org/publications/imageresources/Pages/FI00162.aspx

I will try given them urine, calcium and maybe magnesium sulphate. I havenít had soil testing done because itís a long ways and unfamiliar process down here in Ecuador but itís on my to do list.

Any experience with this and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fig trees
« on: June 08, 2018, 04:25:59 PM »
These are fruiting a little in Ecuador wet humid climate. I would suggest replacing the bottom soil, giving them plenty of nutrition, I mainly use my fermented pee and compost as dressing or at the bottom of the pot. Ive only had a few ripen perfectly. Just a few years in though.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New plants for South America
« on: June 06, 2018, 04:13:01 PM »
I wish you good luck!

For future introduction i recommend you rather importing seeds, at least some species, because seeds is less work, much cheaper and you will have higher success. Some plants you can keep as seedlings, because they won't take too many years to fruit and the fruit quality will be ok (ross zapote, caimito, jaboticaba, etc). But you could later also import budwood and use your seedlings as rootstock.

Other plants which are difficult to graft, or the scions are very perishable, i would also suggest to import the whole grafted plant (mamey, sapodilla, etc.). From my experience, I think regarding mamey and sapodilla maybe 1 of 12 scions imported from US did make it. If i had the chance i would have rather imported the plants.

Yes, I agree although finding reliable sources of seed can be difficult at times and coordinating transportation. In Ecuador mail take 1-3 months to arrive thanks to customs.  We have already done a few trips with Marang, durian, Jaboticaba, Jackfruit, ross sapote, annonas, sapodilla, Black sapote, white sapote, and a few others. Iíll upload a foto of part of the farms layout for Marang and pedalai area.. I think I have it here..






And to see a recent batch of about 40 Jaboticaba see like 1:15 into this video https://youtu.be/dvX3MaRATDY

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cecropia peltata
« on: June 06, 2018, 12:15:13 AM »
The weed trees produce Nothing special really. I notice one of them decays very rapidly, leaves turn black when dried and thatís all, they produced good amounts of mulch.

Anyhow here is a photo of a young cecropia seedling maybe 6 months old. There is another I see often about 2-3 years old a coppiced cecropia that I have seen grow at least 4 meters a year with 3 branches.



In Ecuador we have various cecropia, 10m a year seems possible, typical would be 5 meters from seedling etc. there are some other weed trees that can show similar growth also. 6-10 meters a year is not unusual fr9m weed trees.

That's amazing; the only other (non-bamboo) plant I'm aware of that can grow like that is moringa, and that's even impressive for moringa.

Any other "weed trees" that have fruit / appearance that might make them worthy of growing?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New plants for South America
« on: June 05, 2018, 11:56:01 PM »
Where did you get that material?

Hey Peter,

This all came from Excalibur Nursery in Florida

We also got some from you! I wonít be back to the nursery till July but here are some photos of when yours arrived with Tom.










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good fruiting indoor plants
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:18:37 PM »
Finger limes? Sapodilla Alano? Pineapples?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New plants for South
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:10:15 PM »
Congratulations. Hope they all grow and produce/






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / New plants for South America
« on: June 05, 2018, 07:31:29 PM »
Check out these new plants we got!

https://youtu.be/WqWlLd7_5Zc



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - first fruit size?
« on: June 04, 2018, 11:19:09 PM »
This is one of our better soursop but it went well 2-3 years old 3 meters tall 1 fruit large sized ( larger than a football) other soursop seeds on the ground also within 3 years produced 2 fruits medium sized softball or larger. In Ecuador 2m annual rainfall avg temp 22c.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cecropia peltata
« on: June 03, 2018, 05:50:39 PM »
In Ecuador we have various cecropia, 10m a year seems possible, typical would be 5 meters from seedling etc. there are some other weed trees that can show similar growth also. 6-10 meters a year is not unusual fr9m weed trees.

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At around 3:30 into this video we explain and show some results of air Pruning Pots.

https://youtu.be/1gDJnGMjIVs

https://scontent.fgye8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26198401_1999362316745328_6086005088105602187_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEr1YylalzcFqkSwkeMGJ2nN8cuEMehkQkd5BNL7lfzdJ__hWa2Yx66IGjFpDtE5S3FbnkFXIBcxz-S32yHcjCkYh6wzDCnOVNPYa_EGoQAwg&oh=101ceec8b5d5720e7ed3dec5241c20e4&oe=5B6B470D

Here is some pots we simple drill the edges out and some extra some holes also. They can live in these pots for a very long time, but they will also stay small on top while becoming very strong.

Soursop is one of the most resilient fruiting plants Iíve worked with. They can survive a couple years in a tiny root bound bag and completely dried clay soil in tropical sun. Also they can fruit after 2-3 years in ground from some seedlings. Just beasts.

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