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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When To Harvest Persimmons?
« on: September 29, 2020, 07:19:26 PM »
Having both Hachiya and Fuyu, neither needs pollination.  Have not experienced any seeds.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When To Harvest Persimmons?
« on: September 29, 2020, 01:16:22 PM »
I have both Hachiya and Fuyu.  Prefer the Hachiya when fully ripe (like "pudding").  I dry both of them to use later in the year for backpacking, but slicing the "pudding" consistency is impossible.  Picked a bit early, when still firm, they (Hachiya) can be sliced and they lose the astringency when dried.  I also slice and dry the Fuyu, but the end product is not as attractive nor as flavorable as Hachiya.  Possums really enjoy eating and breaking the limbs of Hachiya, interestingly leaving Fuyu alone.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Tree leaf browning
« on: September 14, 2020, 12:36:55 PM »
Pretty typical here in CA due to excessive dissolved solids/salts in our water.  Some trees may even drop all of their leaves.  Groves in parts of Santa Barbara County can be leafless this time of year.  Then flowers come, then new leaves.  Check in mid-July and your tree should be fully leafed out, old fallen leaves on the ground. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Miguel Avocado?
« on: August 25, 2020, 02:28:22 PM »
Miguel Avocado:    Orig. in South Dade County, Fla., by H.E. Kendall Introd. in 1974. Plant patent 3734; 24 June 1975. Chance seedling, appears to be West Indian parentage; discovered in 1970. Fruit: 20 to 48 oz; elliptical, cleft at stylar end; skin dark green, smooth, shiny, slightly leathery, peels easily, free of cork lenticels; flesh yellow, smooth, buttery, free of fiber; flavor excellent, nutty; seed medium, tight in cavity; ripens late Aug. through Sept.; softens after 6 to 10 days at 70F. Tree: fairly spreading; vigorous; blooms late Jan. to March; flower type B; one to two fruit per stem; major commercial cultivar in Florida. (B&O Register)

Actually C. tetrameria has a different, but good flavor compared to C. edulis.  The flesh is yellow in color and the fruits are rather long compared to the white sapote which is very round.  I have several trees, both #6 and #7, which are grafted on C. tetrameria seedlings.  #6 and 7 won out in a CRFG taste test.  C. tetrameria is a much smaller tree than the huge C. edulis.  C. edulis grafted on C. tetrameria results in a dwarf tree (like 4 ft tall, normal sized fruits).  I have a Vernon and a Pike that are over 25 years old, both about 4 ft tall.  Grafting a yellow sapote (C. tetrameria) on a C. edulis results in a tree less than 7 ft tall and about 6 ft wide.  Again, fruit produced are normal sized fruit.  The leaf underside of C. tetrameria is very fuzzy, whereas C. edulis is smooth (an exception is Suebelle, thought by some to be a hybrid, or could have a common ancestor).  I also have two C. tetrameria trees grafted on C. edulis rootstock that are over 25 years old with no hint of incompatibility,. however there is overgrowth of C. edulis at the graft union.  Both trees are healthy.  C. tetrameria on its own roots produces abundant fruit, but nothing like the masses of fruit produced by C. edulis, a much larger and prolific tree.  The sheer size of C. edulis limits the collected varieties from the Bob Chambers grove to just limbs and branches.  Seeds of C. tetrameria resemble C. Edulis, but are smaller and more rounded.  C. edulis has many seedlings spontaneously growing under the tree, that is rare under a C, tetrameria tree, but then again the volume of fruits under a C. edulis is a walking hazard.

Currently trees are barely blossoming.

Jack Swords


Planted one on my fence line so fruit-loving neighbor can appreciate the fruit.  No fruiting yet.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pollinating Cherimoyas
« on: June 28, 2020, 11:15:36 AM »
Might be our benign climate, but I collect pollen (actually stamens and anthers) in the morning or even as I am pollinating female flowers if some males are open.  I use a pill bottle and cap it and put in the shade of a tree for the next day.  I keep adding pollen (anthers) daily as I use it up.  I pull off one petal (usually there are 3) so I can get the brush to cover the entire sticky stigma with pollen.  Later it is apparent which flowers are pollinated and the flower is ready to collect the anthers/pollen from the male flower stage.  I don't refrigerate, but we are in a cooler climate.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant o Gram mangos delivered
« on: June 22, 2020, 08:33:45 AM »
Thanks for the mite info.  Googled it and best to avoid another pest coming in. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Plant o Gram mangos delivered
« on: June 21, 2020, 06:18:07 PM »
Today (Sunday) FedEx delivered my Kent and Honey Kiss Mangos ordered from Plant O Gram.  Both were easily 3 gallon size, 3 1/2 to 4 ft high.  Thick caliper, healthy, and not a leaf missing or damaged.  From Fla to Ca the packing was excellent, pot covered and heavily wrapped, tree staked and tied, then both in tall cardboard shipping box.  Had a special on free shipping too.  Ordered due to Corvid 19 and not wanting to travel south.  Cleared a part of the property that is the warmest and planted 2 green sapotes, a jackfruit, couple more avocados, canistel, flying saucer fruit, and two mangos.  All except mangos have been growing here in and out of the greenhouse.  Hoping to take advantage of global warming...45 years ago freezes killed macadamias regularly, now we rarely see even light frosts.  We'll see about the mangos.........  Now looking for litchi varieties to order from PlantOGram.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pollinating Cherimoyas
« on: June 21, 2020, 12:20:36 PM »
I have tried the rotten fruit thing with the fruit below the cherimoya trees.  Lots of fruit flies, but they were not interested in the flowers.  Still using the paint brush, collecting pollen in the mornings and pollinating in the evenings.  Problem with incomplete pollination (by insect or human) is a lopsided weird shaped fruit instead of the well shaped one.  Each carpel needs to be pollinated to develop.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hawaiian Avocado's in California
« on: June 20, 2020, 08:45:15 AM »
Link was to the UCR list, look down at Kona Sharwil.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hawaiian Avocado's in California
« on: June 19, 2020, 03:16:58 PM »

Another opinion on Sharwil A or B from UCR

Your choice.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hawaiian Avocado's in California
« on: June 14, 2020, 02:30:38 PM »
Sharwil:    Orig in Redland Bay,Queensland, Austr. by Frank V. Sharpe of Clayfield, Brisbane. Introd. there in 1954; now grown in three stages in AUS, in Spain,&in the U.S. in FL & CA. Chance seedling;selected 1951. Fruit 7-13 oz; somewhat more ovoid than Fuerte; skin green, thickness med.; seed sm., market quality excellent; season Aug.- Nov. in AUS.(Fuerte's season there is April-July); resembles Fuerte. Tree: hardy; growth dwarf; produces crops regularly; flower group A. (B&O Register) Some commercial activity in HI. Similar to Edranol but thicker skin & greener flesh near skin. Excellent flavor. Fruit is good nearly year round beginning March. 5 trees are med. sm. at South Coast Research Station, Irvine, CA. field 44, row 9, trees 7-11. (J.R. Frink 1998) Sharwil Origin, AUS.; Race, Guat.; Flower group, B (Lahav & Gazit)(originated in AUS);similar to Fuerte in shape but a little more oval; of med. size; skin rather rough, fairly thin; flesh rich in flavor, of high quality;15-26%oil. Season: May & June in New South Wales & Queensland. Tree bears regularly but not heavily. Represents 18-20% of all avocados in New South Wales & Queensland. Disease-free during ripening. (J.Morton 1987) Sharwil is a winter-spring bearing variety originally from Australia that has been well accepted by home gardeners and commercial growers in Kona. It is being marketed as a gourmet avocado because of its rich nutty flavor. Fruits are green skinned when mature. Type B flower.(Frankie's Nursery, Waimanalo, Hawaii,1999)

Greengold:Orig. in Haleakala Branch Station, Hawaii by R.A. Hamilton, Univ. of Hawaii. Introd in 1982.Sharwill x open pollinated seedling.Cross made in 1962; selected in 1970;tested as HAL R27T8.Fruit:size 12 oz; oval;skin green; seed 16% of fruit weight;flesh quality good; ripens Feb.- May, good handling quality. Tree: medium, upright; very productive, tendency to alternate bearing; vigor medium; tolerant to ethylene dibromide fumigation, anthracnose, thrips, and rust mite damage. (B&O Register) A few trees are growing at South Coast Research Station, Irvine, CA. In field 44, row 13, #6 &13 are two newly grafted Green Gold trees. (J.R. Frink 1998) Origin, HI; Race, Guat.; Flowering group, A (Lahav & Gazit) Green Gold is a Sharwil selection developed by the University of Hawaii. Like the parent, the Green Gold is pyriform shaped, rich and nutty, with a small seed. It is a prolific bearer maturing its fruits primarily during the spring months. Type A flower.( Frankie's Nursery, Waimanalo, Hawaii 1999)

I prefer Greengold compared to a still excellent Sharwil.  In our climate (San Luis Obispo County) both do well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Let's Boost My Grafting Confidence!
« on: May 14, 2020, 11:37:40 AM »
For a challenge, try grafting macadamia.

Google Monterey Nurseries, there are many that sell passiflora, some outstanding selections too. I have grown many varieties of passionflower (including quanrangularis).  I have several pitangatuba, other guavas, etc  Our climate is similar to Santa Cruz.  Join the local CRFG chapter and you will meet folks who share plants and information.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado grafting
« on: May 07, 2020, 03:42:27 PM »
I was introduced to diluted Elmer's glue years ago by John Moore (when CRFG had around 60 members and a mimeographed newsletter).  Grafted many a tree with the glue protecting the scion.  In our area with night and morning fog (well, used to) the glue would soften and turn whitish allowing buds to push through.  I keep my Parafilm in a cool dark area to keep it stretchy and soft.  That which I leave out tends to break, not stretch.  Much easier to use than diluted Elmers glue.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Tree Problems
« on: April 28, 2020, 08:03:22 PM »
Pretty common this time of year.  Old leaves dropping to be replaced by new ones.  Sometimes excessive defoliation can be the consequence of high dissolved solids in the irrigation water, leaving tip burn on the leaves and subsequent drop.  Sunburn on exposed limbs can be a result of lack of leaf canopy and limbs can be whitewashed with water-based white latex paint for protection from the sun.  By July, all should be fine as the new leaves will appear and your tree should be fine.  It is still flowering and that process will continue.  I have several trees that do this, but recover by July with no extra care.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: April 28, 2020, 07:56:05 PM »
Here you go: Queen avocado
(Guat.)Introduced 1914 by E.E.Knight of Yorba Linda, CA, from near Antigua, Guat. Parent tree had 80 foot spread. Fruit season, July-Aug.; color, dull purple; weight, 20-30 ozs.; shape, pyriform; skin, rough, medium thick; flavor fine; oil, 13.5%. Seed, small.Illus. in CA. Avo. Soc. Yearbook 1927, & Cal. Ag. Exp. Sta. Circ. 43. Shipping quality good. Fruit too large except for special markets. (CAS Yearbook 1950) Grafted onto large rootstock at South Coast Research Station, Irvine, CA. field 44, row 10, tree 19, spring of 97. (Wood from Atkins nursery, grafted by Shaefer & Brown.) I've been told that Queen fruit make good Christmas gifts so they must hang through Dec. B flower type. (J.R. Frink 1998) Origin, Guat.; Race, Guat.; Flowering group, B (Lahav & Gazit)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best way to root feijoa cuttings?
« on: April 26, 2020, 07:43:55 PM »
In response to question on the compost pile environment where cuttings inadvertently rooted:  Mixed compost, semi rotted, in the shade under an avocado tree.  No real standardization of technique and would be difficult to duplicate.  Cuttings were hardwood.  Some were planted out, growing well, identity tags were lost.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best way to root feijoa cuttings?
« on: April 25, 2020, 03:45:43 PM »
Shpaz, thanks for the suggestions, the leaves on one of your photos are those of the tropical guava.  I, too, have had no difficulty with cuttings of the tropical guava, but still interested in rooting cuttings of the feijoa.  Certainly worth a try!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best way to root feijoa cuttings?
« on: April 25, 2020, 08:37:54 AM »
Good point Brad, however I have 5 different grafted kinds of feijoa from Edenvale Nursery and  a couple from New Zealand.  Suckers would not reproduce the cultivar and I, too, would like to find a reliable method of rooting cuttings.  Check out

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best way to root feijoa cuttings?
« on: April 24, 2020, 09:34:17 PM »
Don't lose hope..the only time I tried growing feijoa from cuttings is when I threw the cuttings in a compost pile.  Later green sprouts appeared and when dug up they had rooted.  Magic?  Possibly.

I am about 60 miles north of you (Nipomo, CA).  I have a number of Surinam cherries, several grafted, many seedlings.  Most are over 5 years old.  All get red leaves in the winter, lose many to all.  They are flowering now and produce fruit every year, some black, some red.  I suspect you will achieve success this year or next.  They have never been hurt by frost and produce multiple seedlings in the ground.  We are in dune sand, drip irrigation, scattered fertilizer during rains.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passionfruit devasted by caterpillars
« on: March 28, 2020, 08:34:13 AM »
Nice thing about BT is that it is not a poison.  Caterpillars need to eat the leaf containing the BT and the bacteria in its gut kill it.  I keep bees and am very careful to NOT us a poison (wish my neighbors were).  I too enjoy the butterflies (Gulf Fritillary) and there is enough passiflora around for them.  I use the BT on very small plants or the "special ones".

Commonly done with apples, pears, roses, etc.  See interstock or interstems for usage and benefits.

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