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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kesar vs Jumbo Kesar
« on: February 28, 2021, 10:45:16 AM »
I did hear a rumor that there is Jumbo Kesar in the Dominican Republic. That rumor came out of South Florida. Could this be remotely possible and is there any way to verify this?
Pretty much all I know about the Dominican Republic is that they have bad liquor.
Could be another false rumor :)

Not only is it growing in the DR, it's growing on a very large scale commercially.  the scions were brought directly from India, and they were put on mostly Banilejo rootstock.

This is the first video I recorded with Noris Ledesma, they had three varieties in the initial phase of the project, Kesar, jumbo Kesar, and Kent, they later abandoned the Kent, this video is mostly in Spanish.

I did a follow up on the project, a year later, this video is in English

last information I got on this DR project , Joe, left the project and started one of his own ( With Kesar), the original project, was expanded, if memory serves me, around 30,000 trees.  they were shipping containers of fruit to NY and Chicago markets, but had some serious logistics problems, at that time,  the project did not have their own packing processing plant, and the area does not have a thermal treatment plant.  on top of that, since Jumbo Kesar are much larger than the local varieties normally exported, the thermal treatment plant really screwed up a few shipments, some of the mangoes were cooked. also you may have noticed, how the fruits were in many stages of development, in commercial setups, fruits must be extremely close to the same stage of ripeness, and that was another reason they had some failures.  I do not know if they worked those problems out by now.

I was told by a person that they planted Jumbo Kesar in South Fla, but want to keep that persons name private.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kesar vs Jumbo Kesar
« on: February 28, 2021, 12:54:44 AM »
There is no difference in taste between the two varieties, everything is the same except the size of the fruit.

from what I have gathered, this was a natural mutation (I think they call it a somatic mutation) that happened on one part of a tree in an orchard in India, the farmer noticed that one branch of this tree always had much larger fruit, so he propagated it, and this is how we got the Jumbo Kesar.

I know that Kesar and Jumbo Kesar are in Florida, from what I have gathered, they grow well here, Kesar seems to be better adapted to different climates, unlike Alphonso, which does not do or taste as well outside it's preferred growing area.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2021 Mango Season (Florida)
« on: February 26, 2021, 09:35:15 PM »
my orange essence is just starting to flower for the first time

This one is going to start to receive more attention as they come into production. It’s prolific, high eating quality, nice size and doesn’t seem to get MBBS. Ours are all flowering well again.

Gifted OS to my bro in law. Hope he remembers me!

Lots of blooms here. Not much fruit set yet. Considering fishing

I really liked the taste of this one, also noted the very thick skin, and seemed to have a decent shelf life. I bought them green, and they ripened well, who knows might be a future commercial variety, not sure on the production and disease resistance if any.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is the purple mangosteen self-pollinating?
« on: February 25, 2021, 08:44:31 PM »
Garcinia mangostana will produce fruit on it's own, the male plant of the species I read is extinct.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugarloaf/E4 Thread
« on: February 16, 2021, 08:59:39 PM »
My E4 is about the same size, it also pushed a lot of flowers one branch decided to flush instead, I do notice a few tiny "mango-ettes" hopefully they wont drop, I'll be happy if I get at least 4 fruit of that tree, it was planted late 2019.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar fertiliser
« on: February 01, 2021, 08:34:09 PM »
Mangosteens can really benefit from foliar feeding, they naturally have a terrible root system in young trees, and is one of the reasons they grow so slow and take so long to mature.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2021 Mango report
« on: January 31, 2021, 10:30:50 PM »
I give thanks to the experienced members in the forum, and their recommendations, for the varieties I have. I planted Sugarloaf before I even tasted it, and was able try a few last year, I am so glad I got one.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2021 Mango report
« on: January 31, 2021, 03:30:45 PM »
All four of my trees are flowering,  the first to show signs was Cotton Candy this is the first flowering for this tree,  then a very precocious E4 that was only planted in late 2018. (I won't allow it to hold too many fruit if it tries to), the always reliable Pickering, and finally in the last few days, the Edgar.

So I am also very optimistic about the 2021 mango season.

Cool weather at the right time definitely helps trigger flowering,   but lest not forget that many Florida mango varieties are grown in the tropics, where they do not get even one night below 65F  and they can produce fruit without any problem.

some varieties require more stress than others to trigger flowering.  water seems to be the biggest contributing factor in the DR,  dry winters = more fruit,  no cold involved.

They could have at least spray painted the fruit, or added pink colored cotton around it or something, to make it look more "alien" .

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango tree fertilization question please
« on: August 16, 2019, 01:23:28 PM »
I believe it's a good idea to use some nitrogen on young trees that are not bearing yet.  once they start producing fruit, and the tree is the size you want.  then cut back or eliminate all  nitrogen.

I know the advice most given is,  zero nitrogen for mature trees,  personally I do not see why a small amount cannot be added,  right after harvest and just before yearly pruning. to help with that new growth.  as long as it's not a timed release,  you want that gone by the time flowering season comes around.

Cotton Candy  and  Edgar  have been planted in the last 5 years here in Hollywood Fla.   

Edgar fruited for the first time this year,  about 6-7 fruit,  a few were snatched due to it's location near the road.  I did not get to try them personally, but family members that did, said they were very good.   tree looks healthy.

Cotton Candy , has only been in the ground about 2 years,  it really took off last year,  and was about 12 ft tall,  last week I pruned it back some.

Yesterday I purchased an E-4,  so I'll report on that one someday in the future.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Tree Bark Came Out
« on: August 10, 2019, 03:43:57 PM »
looking close at the picture I noticed that there seems to be another layer of bark underneath the top one.  the one below seems to have healed over in the past.  I wonder if this could have been caused by lightning ?   anyway,  bridge graft as Simon mentioned should work.   you might want to see if you can bridge the inner bark.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Flavor Profiling: Chapter One
« on: August 08, 2019, 09:06:33 PM »
Some years ago I posted something along this topic in this forum, which I think you will find is right up your ally.

You need to do searches on the Volatile Components of mangoes.

once you look over these, it becomes clear why mangoes vary in taste and aroma so much between cultivars.

this next paper compares Nam Doc Mai,  to Maha Chanok,    some people seem to detect carrot or parsnip flavor in the Maha Chanoc.  in this  document you can actually see what it is that gives that variety it's unique flavor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana Wars
« on: August 07, 2019, 12:20:01 AM »
Are Iguanas a problem for mangoes?  do they climb trees? not being sarcastic, I really have no idea    if so, I would just put some slippery metallic  skirt around the tree trunk so they cannot climb up. works for rodents,

I have no experience with Iguanas,  but noticed at home depot all these iguana repellents, and a billboard sign on the highway offering Iguana removal service,  so my guess is these critters are getting are now out of hand in Fla.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding: Mango pairings
« on: August 07, 2019, 12:09:07 AM »
I think that back yard growers have tons of options to choose from, just look at how many mango aficionados complain of not having enough room for that new variety.

Where I think breeding work needs to be done is in commercial varieties.  the pickings are slim in this area.

What's needed?   
* A fruit that can be picked mature green,  but ripen perfectly,  after 2 weeks.
* Firm and thick skinned to for shipping.   
* looks nice , ( colors sell,  think of those poor souls that mistakenly select the beautiful Tommy Atkins over a greenish yellow Kiett )
* Disease resistant
* Productive, and reliable.  ( Not so dependent on climate triggers to know when to flower )
* Smaller tree, good for high density farms, and easy harvesting.
* Taste like a top tier mango
* 100% fiberless with dark orange flesh

So if I had to select which fruit to get traits from.

Kiett :  for its productivity,  disease resistance, shelf life and shipping ability.   but lacks color and quality of fruit (flavor and texture ) can be improved on.
Tommy Atkins:  for all it's commercial traits,  and color.

once you have this you "pair" it with something that will improve the fruit quality.

many of the top tier mangoes , seem to be very finicky into picking times or that narrow window of perfect ripeness.  for someone that has a tree in their back yard,  this is not much of a problem,  but having fruit that has a longer shelf life is an attractive trait even for backyard growers.   

for home growers, I think the following traits should be focused on by breeders:
* Disease resistance
* Consistency in quality and production each year ( not so sensitive to climate such as,  for example Glenn, Angie etc )
* Naturally dwarf
* Long shelf life and forgiving in when you pick them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Refractometer
« on: August 06, 2019, 11:38:38 PM »
This refractometers  come with different scales,  if you get one.  make sure it's for measuring in the 0-30 brix  or a bit higher.    some of these meters, have other scales, and are used for beer, and honey, candy making etc.  they do not cost much. 

someday they might have affordable spectrometers where one could scan for all the elements in a sample.

The budwood for our “Jumbo Kesar” was sourced from Fairchild. It is just a regular Kesar. Not sure if or where the real Jumbo Kesar exists in Florida at this point

I was going to say something about that not looking like a Jumbo Kesar,   here is a link of a video I recorded a few years ago,  when Ledesma was visiting a mango project in the DR.  on this farm they had both the regular and jumbo type Kesar,  all scions were brought in directly from India ( a few thousand )  Jumbo Kesar are about 50-100% bigger than the regular ones,  but other than size, are identical in flavor. 

1. Coconut Cream
2. Malika (how this is not in most people's top 5 is beyond me)
3. Pineapple Pleasure
4. Sweettart
5. Peach Cobbler (have yet to taste however)
6. PPK

Tasted a Malika and was not impressed by it.

First time I sampled Mallika, it was bordering on terrible. had this off taste,   couple years later sampled one that fell on the ground at Fruit and Spice park, and it was very good.  I later purchased a few from Chris, on the green side, put them in a paper bag in the garage, and they were the best mangoes I sampled that year.

I think these taste better picked mature green, and allowed to ripen in a warm location.  give them another try.

I always try to have a Pickering available,  when someone in the family or a friend asks me for a good mango tree to put in their yard,  I'll hand them a Pickering.  size, reliability, precociousness and flavor. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sierra Leone Mango Project On YouTube
« on: July 06, 2019, 06:32:12 PM »
Great project,  I just watched the video.    I am curious,  what varieties did you choose for this project.   

Some natives to Egypt argue Taymour is their finest mango.  I sought it out this year at Tropical Acres delivered.  Do not be deterred by the frog green skin with black spots.  Inside hides two tone yellowy orange flesh that defines delight.  Its O M G good.  Dense, sweet, resinous, rich and complex.  Its unusual to find such a sweet mango with such rich resin profile.  I think I'm in love. 

Ok that's how I remember them,  thanks for the review.

Size of that trunk I am pretty sure its already rooted in the ground.

Interested in the Taymour review,  I am assuming this is the same as Taimor , from Egypt, a green ripening mango.  I tried a couple a few years ago, and they were very good. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Paclobutrazol
« on: June 15, 2019, 02:10:33 AM »
This is used in UHD ( Ultra High Density ) mango plantation setups. 

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