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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« on: October 15, 2019, 02:43:10 PM »
Hey Frank thanks for letting me join the party.  Pretty awesome all the mangos and the snacks were also much appreciated.  Nice to meet everyone else too, you guys are welcome to come down and visit any time.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bee magnets
« on: October 15, 2019, 02:40:43 PM »
I live in a bee desert. I haven't seen one in a L-O-N-G time near my house.

Thats not a good sign

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bee magnets
« on: October 15, 2019, 10:52:09 AM »
Whatever is blooming?    Even the native chapparal is covered in bees. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 13, 2019, 01:33:44 PM »
Buy and plant out young tree’s after winter.
Four winds tree’s have had weak rootstock in my opinion.
Start Bacon or Zutano for rootstock and then graft them. They could grow faster and workout better in the long run. All the scion and cultivars you want can be found here.
Winters a comin. Enjoy!

Yeah I got a couple mail order trees and the roots were all rotted already in the pots.  They use a very light media in the pots to keep shipping costs down and it has to be watered daily.  And the trees look like they were all crammed together and getting labky and weak from not enough sunlight and leaning on each other. 

You are right about seeds being better.  Its hard to convince people thats the better option.  People tend to want instant gratification.  Thats just not usually how gardening goes. 

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Zutano avocado seeds?
« on: October 13, 2019, 01:25:42 PM »
Not in season yet.  Maybe november or december they will be.  They have the fruit for sale in the farmers market here in Poway, I will try and get a bunch when they are available.  Ask me about it in a month or so. 

20 reeds is a ton for a tree that size. 

Beauty, we hardly broke 100 here this summer.  Last years crazy heat was a bust for my avocados.  Trees are loaded here this year though.  They are still self thinning.  Ive got piles of dropped avocados under the trees and trees are still full of hangers!  The next year or so is looking promising.  Hope 2021 brings you the same. 

Those stewarts should be about as cold tolerant as you are going to get.  If you want some really vigorous and still cold tolerant seeds I will have bacon and fuertes coming soon.  The bacon seeds are really vigorous, its a avocado weed tree.  Makes a good rootstock. 

Once you get growing, I would suggest getting some heavy row cover, the type that gives you 5 degrees of warmth and draping it over your trees on cold days/nights until your trees get big.  Just give them a couple years to get established before subjecting them to really hard frosts. 


Cant wait to see your blooms and fruit set in 6 months mark.  Keep it up, keep that heater working. 

Namwahs are good.  You got enough to start a farm there.  Those things multiply pretty quickly. 

I would up pot them to 1 gallon size in a week or so using cactus mix.  Then just tip it over and check the roots after a couple months and once roots hit the bottom up pot again to 3 gal or 5 gal.  And do the same thing, tip it over, slip the pot off and check if roots are at the bottom.  At that point transplant into the ground.  I do my tissue cultures that way and get fruit in under 2 years. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pics from the garden
« on: October 09, 2019, 10:21:52 PM »
Rob did you harvest the sweetheart bananas yet? 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 07, 2019, 11:42:55 PM »
One other thing to condsider is when planting young avocado trees is its important to start with good trees that wont need staking or will need minimal staking.  Thats a big advantage to growing your own trees from seed.  You can direct sow them or plant in pots and transplant.  But your trees if left out in the elements will never need to be staked.  Or only minimal corrective staking.  If you buy 100 trees from trade wind, you will have to stake every one of them and probably need multiple stakes to get them to stand up properly.  Their trees are really weak and lanky and will require a lot of labor to correct.  Trust me on this that is much nicer to start with strong trees that dont require a lot of corrective staking and pruning.  When you have to do 100 trees, it will be a ton of labor spent on correcting trees that were bad from the start.  If you want to see some pics of trade wind trees I can take some tomorrow.  If you are patient, getting seeds or seedlings and grafting will save you a lot of money and your trees will start out on the right foot also.  Just something to consider.  These are things you figure out the hard way after planting lots of trees from various nurseries and growing and grafting your own.  Ive got about 70 avocado trees and wish I had known a lot of these things before I started. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 07, 2019, 11:30:14 PM »
Ive bought trade wind trees and they are ok, they are lanky twigs but of course they will grow fine once they get going. 

You can get much nicer trees at clausons in san diego for 18$ each.  I dont know if they will have 100 trees to sell, maybe hass trees.  You can call them, but those are 5 gal trees in grow bags in DG.  Much bigger rootstock and tree than the mail order trees.  They are heavy like a brick though. 

Theres also Atkins nursery in san diego county that quoted me 3$ each for zutano rootstocks in small grow bags also.  You could call them as well but neither of those places are going to send you trees.  You could drive them back I guess but it might not be worth it.

I will have a lot of bacon seeds if you are interested.  They will be ready in december and make great rootstocks.  The trees are super vigorous.

Whatever you decide, good luck with it and keep us updated. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to get cheap gypsum
« on: October 07, 2019, 08:33:51 PM »
Harrells sells it for 11$ for 50lb bags of pelletized ag gypsum.  They have harrells in florida, send them an email.   

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sharwil avocado trees San Diego
« on: October 07, 2019, 06:54:24 PM »
We have been growing mangos from seeds.  Keitts are still in the stores, Im going to plant about 10 seeds in pots and use a few in June.  Im not really that impressed with lavern manilla trees to be honest.  I think you would be well off to just grow your own seeds.  The best would be grow seeds of good types from Florida so you could potentially get good fruit without ever grafting.  We have a lot of those growing and some kents and manillas and other seedlings that will need to be grafted in the future.  Im top working a manilla tree thats a few years old and its a total pain.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Looking on info on my ?? passion fruit
« on: October 07, 2019, 06:40:20 PM »
Fredrick is egg shape.  Possum purple is egg shape also but more round.  Red rover is round like a ball with thick shell.  Yours(in the original post) looks like red rover.  Its definitely not a fredrick.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 07, 2019, 02:40:49 PM »
Zutano seems to be a fine rootstock.  You might be able to order 100 zutano seeds in bags from brokaw for cheap.  I would go with those.  Clonal rootstock can be more salt tolerant(doesnt matter for you) or more root rot resistant. 

I would try and contact brokaw and tell them what you are doing and what your soil and rainfall is like and see what they say. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: October 07, 2019, 11:24:17 AM »
I got these yellow variety dragon fruit plant from Ebay. I thought they were cuttings, but they were like 5" plant from seeds.  I didn't know it will take 4yrs+ to fruit.  Should I try to graft a couple of them to my Vietnamese white rootstock? My Vietnamese white in the ground though.  Maybe take a vietnamese white cutting, root it in a pot, then try the graft?

It wont take 4 years.  Probably 2 years.  I wouldnt bother trying to graft them, just let them do their thing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: October 07, 2019, 11:23:10 AM »
The fake painted rock dragon fruits totally got rid of the birds.  They were pecking every fruit now not a single one is pecked!

How about buy a squirrel trap and get rid of them?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 07, 2019, 10:43:03 AM »
You should plant seeds and graft your own trees.  Otherwise you probably need to contact brokaw nursery for a large order.  Thats who 4 winds buys from.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most Northern Avocado Grove?
« on: October 06, 2019, 04:47:08 PM »
Looks and sounds amazing.  Love the old growth redwood parks in that area.  Prarie creek was one of our favorites.  Would love to buy 20 acres on a river there and disappear.

 Your avocados are probably amazing if left on the tree for extended periods.  I guess hass should be extra ripe now after 18 mo on the tree?

You don't have much to tip there. Wait until next year. You are at same latitude as Virginia in the USA where one could never grow mangoes outside. You have the warmth but less sunlight and fewer sunlight hours during the summer growing season than mango growers in Miami, much closer to the equator.

Very nice looking tree with plenty of time to tip prune in 2020.

According to Shinzo may be getting more "Daylight" than West Palm Beach in the summer. How does that make sense? I had checked for June/July and August.

Its sunny all day and night in Alaska during summer. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee question
« on: October 05, 2019, 03:48:57 PM »
from what i have reasd, a certain amount of winter chilling is necessary for flower bud development. Most varieties need between 100 and 200 hours of standard chilling (32° – 45° F). So with temps at mid 60s it should be a problem.. but you could always try and see the results

OK thanks. I have been unsuccessful in getting kiwi fruit to flower but I did have Cherimoya flower this year.

I will have to wait and see how my seedlings do.

Theres varieties grown in Hawaii like kaimana that dont need chill hours

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