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Could you explain the difference between Sweet Ubajay (Eugenia myrcianthes) and the new Sweet Ubajaymi (Eugenia aff myrcianthes)? The only thing I could find was that E. pyriformis is sometimes called Ubajay mi, but I think you use uvaia for that species.

Also I got the tracking number from you, but what company is the carrier?

There are a lot of the 'coppertone's planted in my area. They're usually called bronze loquat out here. They're also called fruitless loquats I think. I think they have very small fruits, with barely any flesh. I'm not certain, but they're certainly not something I ever thought had potential as an edible.

Edit: Maybe coppertone and bronze are different. I believe these are a hybrid with R. indica, not sure with which Eriobotrya species.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Bing' cherry blooming in fall?!
« on: November 26, 2018, 10:24:29 PM »
I wonder if it could be a fire response. Like misinterpreting smoke cover for short days.

It sounds like you want to start a jackfruit farm cause of lack of distribution in your area. I'd recommend just finding a supplier, maybe someone on the forum from Florida. I'm in northern California and I can buy it pretty cheap here, I think about $0.60/lb, so you may be able to find it cheaper there if you know where to look. Do you have a Ranch 99 near you? I know part of the fun is growing it, but you could always grow cherries or something that grows well where you are.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: My small fruit tree orchard
« on: November 23, 2018, 12:38:02 PM »
How cold does it get in Fatima?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 23, 2018, 12:34:01 PM »
:D Legit though, I didn't mean to make you think you aren't welcome. I just think the way you've said some things seems intentionally provocative. I mean what kind of response do you really expect when you post, "Hey look at these amazing plants I grew using secret methods which I won't reveal, but which are going to change the world of tropical fruit growing" on a tropical fruit forum? I think it's natural that some people will take offense.

FWIW, Finca La Isla has a big permaculture project in Costa Rica and has been doing this for thirty years. He seems like a really nice guy. Here's a tour of his place:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 23, 2018, 12:01:38 PM »
Lmao it's a conspiracy you figured it out. Finca La Isla is a Chinese agricultural technology spy agency.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: November 22, 2018, 02:56:00 PM »
I picked that Bruni fruit a while back, the one I posted a picture of. It was okay, tasted like a typical white-fleshed dragonfruit. I only ate a little bit, since I wanted the seeds, but they haven't sprouted, after about a week. It's possible I did something wrong in drying them, but I kinda doubt that. They may be infertile, since they were intergeneric hybrids.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 21, 2018, 10:50:07 AM »
I think you guys may be taking this too seriously. He said he doesn't know how much or when they'll produce, and that he spent "$1k a year for 9 years and countless hours of research". He also said they fruit in under 4 years, so you'd think he'd know when they produce, and how much. $1k a year sounds pretty darn low to me, but it would have sounded like a lot when I was a kid. Maybe this guy's legit and he really does have some super secret methods, but if he is a troll, I think you're feeding him.

Yeah that doesn't look right. Why would it be 5/8/9... and not 5/6/7/8/9...? It looks like they're native to the mountainous southern China and northern Vietnam at around 850m. From what I've read that area doesn't get that cold, probably somewhere around -2 C or so annual low. From what I've read loquat (japonica) grows in Seattle, but only sometimes sets fruit there, and that's 8b, almost 9a. If I were you, I'd be looking for one with a native range farther north. Seems like Eriobotrya hookeriana or Eriobotrya petiolata might have potential, as they're from the eastern Himalayas. I see hookeriana is reported to grow in a city called Trongsa. From the climate data there: it looks like they dip into the teens (F), so maybe like -8C? It can probably take a bit below that, but maybe not 14C, to get to 7a.

If you're just looking for rootstock, quince works and is hardy below 7a, but from what I've read the loquat flowers wouldn't set fruit if they freeze.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: couple of ID's please...
« on: November 14, 2018, 11:52:36 PM »
The first looks like a Eugenia to me. Maybe uniflora.

Edit: Actually maybe more like involucrata

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kadsura Coccinea
« on: November 10, 2018, 01:49:16 PM »
This is my K. japonica:

K. heteroclita planted in-ground, was under shade cloth all summer:

K. heteroclita in pot, got hit by caterpillars pretty hard:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kadsura Coccinea
« on: November 05, 2018, 10:14:11 AM »
I tried for a while and was unable to get seeds. I have two other Kadsura species, but they haven't done all that well in my care. I think my humidity may be too low.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: October 06, 2018, 01:30:57 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: October 06, 2018, 12:03:37 PM »
Any idea whether this is ready to pick? It's a bruni that flowered in early July. I pollinated it with Selenicereus grandiflorus pollen, the self-pollinated ones didn't set. I read bruni was supposed to have tiny green fruits ( ), but this one just kept going. It's looked like this for at least a month now. I figured it would start to split when the time came, but the end where the flower was has started to shrivel just a bit, and if anything it looks like it might be getting a bit greener. The underside has turned more pink than the side exposed to the sun, which seems backwards to me.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Leaf Scorch?
« on: October 06, 2018, 10:56:45 AM »
I'd think the leaves would be lighter green if they were getting excessive sun.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: September 05, 2018, 11:25:20 PM »
I got them this spring, so I can't say for sure whether they got chill hours last winter, but I'm pretty confident they did.  That one was the biggest and had tiny buds on it, which opened after I planted it. The weather's been cooling off so I think the trees are less stressed, and I did just give them a thin layer of chicken manure, so I can understand why it might seem like a good time to flower if I were a tree, but I didn't think it could just flower whenever. Also it's on this year's growth, so technically this section of the tree didn't get chill hours. Or maybe it doesn't work that way. I don't think I'll get to see if it can hold fruit over the winter though, since this is the only one flowering.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: September 03, 2018, 12:11:13 PM »

I thought my pawpaw was just setting buds for the spring, but this one definitely looks like it's opening now. This tree flowered this spring as well, though only three flowers. Is this normal, and if not, does anyone know why? The spring flowers didn't set fruit.

To be honest the taste is not that great IMO.  Its kind of like a sweet avocado.

And I thought I had just tried a bad variety. Like a not very creamy avocado, with a mild sweetness?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Schizandra
« on: May 09, 2018, 11:48:27 AM »

I got some pawpaws from them and was very disappointed in the size of the plants they sent me (2 gal plant had a definite 4" rootball), but they do have them.

Trees or fruit? They're in season in the fall IIRC, so you wouldn't be able to get fruit for some months.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Excalibur chempadek
« on: February 26, 2018, 05:02:04 PM »
Maybe they propagated Coconut's Jackfruit 'Boca orange snob', incorrectly labeled it as a chempedak, and dropped part of the name? That would explain the Boca, and Coconut mentioned in that thread that he was friends with Richard at Excalibur.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Frost of the year
« on: February 21, 2018, 12:25:07 PM »
Went to bed in the East Bay expecting the forecasted 32F, woke up to 26F. Amazingly little seems to have died (even some dragonfruits I left out on the patio). Eugenia candolleana didn't even drop its leaves. Hopefully the coming weeks don't reveal more casualties.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa flowering (greenhouse)
« on: February 01, 2018, 11:37:47 AM »
I think I've left some on the counter for two or three weeks and eaten them after. They keep ripening off the tree, and in my opinion the quality goes down as they ripen. They get gooey and lose their acidity.

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