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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 17, 2018, 10:25:34 PM »
Simon - ouch - so sorry for that loss.

Can they be salvaged at all - maybe into smoothies even?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Future's Florida Fruit Feast 8
« on: July 17, 2018, 10:15:40 PM »
Color me jealous.

Are you growing that in your 8a zone or 10a zone?

Future - I'm in Longwood - so about 2 minutes away.  Big YES from me if you do it - then I just gotta talk you into sharing any of the seeds that are Poly  ;D.  Can't do it this Saturday morning / afternoon as my son has a soccer tourney but any other date let me know.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: July 13, 2018, 09:37:22 PM »
So - I got a gift in the mail from Orkine - a box of mango's he grew.  My boys and I had a chance to try 3 varieties so far. Carrie - Glenn and Choc-Anon and we have a few more left to ripen up (a Tommy Atkins and Mallika).

The Carries were a bit soft but thats because our friends at the Post Office didn't treat the box, shall we say, with care.  Excellent mango.  Next up was the Glenn - just fantastic, but then we tried the Choc-Anon.  OMG - the Choc-Anon are just amazing and simply the best I've ever had - topping the sugar cookie variety I had 2 summers ago.  One of them even had a bit of a butterscotch flavor/profile - and the smell is just heavenly. I cooked ribs for dinner tonight and after cutting the Choc-Anon's they overpowered the rib smell in the kitchen.  Just amazing.

Orkine - just can't say thank you enough for that package.

Does it cure cancer too?

No - but I've found I have a great hair day everytime after releasing the flies.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sarcasm aside, would love to know more about this if there's anything to it.

Cuttings arrived in the mail today and are very large and in great shape.

Thanks for throwing a few extra in - now off to Home Depot for more pots.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Spraying with Minors and the Rain
« on: July 09, 2018, 01:45:43 PM »
So last night around 6pm after seeing the forecast was 10% chance of rain I went out and mixed up some southern ag spray that contained the minor elements and sprayed the new flushes on my Mango trees and also hit my citrus trees as well.

So yeah, the 10% didn't hold up and we had a good inch of rain which started around 830pm or so.

My question is do i need to respray tonight, or did the 2 hours provide enough drying time for the leaves to soak in the benefits of the spray?

Also - wondering if i'm betting doing a root drench too considering its raining, well, every day as most of you know.



Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Best Mango - On any given Sunday
« on: July 03, 2018, 06:25:34 PM »
Orkine - actually not trolling him at all and a big thank you for your PM to me.

Sometimes I'm just a bit naive and I'm sorry I got him mad at me.  People higher up in the thread were talking about their grocery store finds and I just talked a bit about what I found locally here.

Coming from Buffalo, New York, snow capital of the world where the best price we ever saw on mangos was 3 for $5.00, after moving to Central Florida and starting to learn my way around a bit (and a huge thanks to all here that i've learned from), i honestly thought i was contributing something.  Had no intent to take away from the original poster or get bs mad at me or was trying to troll him.  I look up to him and all the other more experienced folks too numerous to mention for their feedback and especially their answers when I've had questions.

I unfortunately haven't had a chance to take a trip down to South Florida for this mango season and with work and all I'm not sure I'll be able to so to bs, the OP and others at the event please take my apology.  Didn't mean anything by it.

I started using a granular slow release 6-4-6 store brand from Home Depot in the orange bag.  Bad mistake as the granules got stuck in the leaves where they attach to the plant and the leaves burned badly.  While that was fine provided i made sure i put the granules down only on the sand/dirt, when i broadcast them one day to speed things up - well, that didn't work well. 

Now, don't laugh, plain old miracle grow knock-off formula from Lowe's.  I put 2 of the small scoops into a 2 gallon watering can and fertilize every 2 weeks.  I use 6 gallons of water and 6 scoops of fertilizer in the bed now.  I'm attaching a picture from February to see what the difference is.  The ground they're in is just dead sand.  I had Gardenias in the bed that were sickly - just nothing going on with them.  As i started adding fertilizer around the pineapples the Gardenias bounced back enough for me to transplant them out of the bed that bed as I made the entire area a pineapple patch.

One thing to mention, those twist-offs will sometimes get serrated leaves.  Probably 10% of the leaves in the patch will rip you up big time if you're not careful.


Nothing better than free.  Over 60 pineapples growing all of them from twist-offs.  Started planting the twist-offs in March of 2017 and have had a 90% take rate just by putting them into the ground.

I have fertilized them a few times and they're under two large palm trees so they get a good amount of shade every day.  No signs yet of any flowers coming out but I have probably 4 or 5 plants that are bigger than the others that I think will produce this year for me.  Fingers crossed.

If not - nothing ventured nothing gained as they were free.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Best Mango - On any given Sunday
« on: July 02, 2018, 08:06:04 PM »
Great mango reviews by the original Broward taste testers. What did you eat for the interludes to take away from the mango tastes? So you could taste (savor) the next mangoes better? I don't think you can compete with JF's mother when JF throws a Los Angeles mango do.

On any given Sunday, an inferior but ripe backyard mango is better than a store bought mango. This is 85% true.
At Aldi yesterday they were selling large Florida mangoes. 59 each. Hard but red and colorful. Publix also usually brings in real Fl mangoes this time of year. Broward meat and Fish must have too.
Anyone who buys from Aldi Publix, let it sit for a few days, let us know how it pans out.

Aldi also has the ripest looking Lake Chelan cherries for $1.79/lb. I abstained due to local mangoes. I track cherry prices and back in 2004 the first cherries of the season were $2.39 or so and would sink back to $1.99 as they flooded in and improved.

Hass prices are also down due to many Mexican plantations coming on line. Getting Hass avocado on the East Coast used to mean it was California grown and more expensive. Mexican grown going for 49 twice within the last month.

Publix mango's have been too pricey - not worth buying anytime of year.

Winn Dixie's had mango's as low as 50c but they were very, very small and they were from Mexico - no variety listed.  They were rock hard but very colorful - lots of bright red colors and attractive but I've stayed away.

Safeway in Altamonte Springs had some very large Tommy Atkins in that were excellent.  They took almost a week to soften up but when they did they were great. I paid as little as 59c and as much as $1.00. These were the best of the regular mango's that I've had.

Fancy Fruit has had mangos from Florida, Dominica Republic and Atalufo from ???.  The Florida mangos are sweet but very "washed out" and have been going for 79c to 99c each.  The fruit almost looks striped as many are leaking juice from the top.  The D.R. looked like a large Atalufo but were greener and much, much larger - those have been priced $1.19 to $1.39.  It was spicy and sweet and had a lot of piney taste close to the skin.  The regular Atalufo have been just fantastic.  Sweet and complex tasting.  Some of the best Atalufo's I've had.  They've been $1.00 to $1.19.

Whole Foods has had Florida Mango's but they're Organic and way too expensive so I haven't tried those.  They also had Atalufo's at $1.00 each.  Those Atalufo's have been very sweet but not complex.  Also many of those have had aborted seeds so the husk on the inside of the fruit has been tiny - a lot of fruit since the seed casing is small.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: pineapple top planting
« on: June 29, 2018, 01:23:05 PM »
I've got over 50 pineapples growing in my front yard (nicely hidden by the shrub so hopefully when they start blooming no thievery).

I have close to a 90% success rate just by sticking the tops in the soil.  All of these in this picture were just twisted off and put into the ground.

If they don't grow in the middle (and of the 90% take rate almost 90% of those grow in the middle even if the leaves easily pull out), then they throw off 1, 2 or 3 shoots from the sides like this.

Heck, i've even taken pineapple tops that i cut into quarters and got the quarters to grow.  The ones that i quartered are the smaller ones in the picture.

I started putting the tops in the ground last May - so the bigger plants in the picture are around a year old and as you look into the picture the further down the row you get the younger the plants are.

There's a fancy fruit market in our area that normally sells them for $2.00 or $2.50 each and I pick up one a week.  If the price is more than $2.50 I pass.  A few weeks ago Save-A-Lot was selling them for 99 cents so i bought 4 of them that week.  I will keep adding by putting the tops in the ground until production on my home ones start then I just use those to grow new ones.

That being said, if i could get my hands on another 50 or 100 tops for free then i'll put them in the garden between the tree rows very similar to the way pineislander is doing it between his DF's.

And pineislander, may i add that picture looks fantastic.

Longon and Jakfruit? Those are super sensitive unless you guys have a different kind of frost than we do. Even a light frost will fry the leaves off both of those.

-Lychee likes a bit of cooler weather.
-Citrus- most can deal with a light frost fine, cooler weather makes it sweeter supposedly
-Myrica Rubra- supposedly. You guys would have an easier time getting them than us
-Surinam cherries
-lilly pilly- mine did fine with heavy frost.
-any of your stone fruit
-any apples
-white sapote
-Ice Cream bean
-Irish Strawberry :P
These are my observations from my yard anyway. I am 9B and we had a fairly cold winter this year. I have other things like Mangos, macadamia, and some various Eugenia that survived but did not survive well, even the light frosts.

My Longan seedlings did fine in the cold and I'm in Longwood (Orlando) area.  I took them in when we had the mid 20's temp but the frosty nights at 30-35 were fine.  They are cats eye seedlings if that makes any difference.

How about with Vodka or Tequila?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planted some lychee seeds
« on: June 25, 2018, 04:03:23 PM »

I started 12 of them about a month ago in red solo cups.  Of the 12 seeds I had all germinated but something went wrong five of them as they died right after pushing through the soil but by the looks of it something may have eaten them.  I gave two of them to a neighbor and have 5 left as two of the pots have a double and one of the pots here is a single.  I will take Simon's previous recommendations and graft the two together when they get a little bit bigger so i have 2 tap roots going down and a better chance to flourish and after I end up with a double root stock I may try to graft a named variety.

I have no idea what type the originals were except they were incredibly juicy, tasty and organic and came from the Whole Foods in Atlamonte Springs, FL.

I don't mind waiting 5 to 8 years for a seedling to produce but with these guys possibly taking 20-30 years, well, thats a bit much.

Good luck and keep us up to date on the results.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rabbit or Squirrel or Skunk
« on: June 24, 2018, 09:16:16 PM »
That's dinner man.  Skin it and eat it.  Don't waste good meat that mother nature provides.

I germinated a bunch of the large yellow df a few months ago - not sure if they were hylocereus megalanthus or not, but they all sprouted within 2 or 3 days of planting.  I thoroughly washed all of the seeds before i planted them.  They were not planted deep - only a trace of soil on top.  It was a bit chilly outside when i planted them so i just left the cup sitting on the kitchen counter while they were germinating.  That area has almost no natural sunlight and very diffused light from the bulbs i use.

I also sprouted "regular" white dragon fruit seeds before and they also came up in a few days - so my experience has been that the seedlings show quickly.

Does it come true to seed?  I would think not - but then getting grafted trees // scions are you going to try to release this just in Europe or all over the world?  Having no seeds (while the birds may like them) certainly can be a big advantage.

If you check out the local craigslist I've seen a few people selling Jaboticaba plants - they're more towards seminole county than over by you in Titusville but not a terrible drive / distance.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Be mindful
« on: June 05, 2018, 10:56:29 AM »
I wouldn't consider myself by any stretch in a rural area but I've got plenty of wildlife visitors in the 2 years I've been at this house.  Didn't get any pictures but had a Bald Eagle back in January - here's the pictures I do have:

King Snake - lookin like the Coral snake - this is the friend of Jack after he decided to go for a swim in my pool.

Hanging out by my mangos eating the geckos.  Prior to his arrival I had around 30 geckos - was down to 2 or 3 after he left.

Wild turkey anyone?

Gopher Tortoise took up residence on my neighbors property but he pays me a visit every few days when I'm out back with the doge.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seed Growers insight wanted
« on: June 01, 2018, 09:27:15 PM »
I have 4 mango seedlings that are around 23 months old - so coming up on 2 years now at the end of this month.

Tree #1.  The seedling is from my favorite fruit that I ate in June of 2016 and picked up from a street seller in Okeechobee.  The seller called the variety "sugar cookie" - though nobody on the forum has heard that before.  The mango was the sweetest fruit I have ever eaten.  It was fantastic and the reason I decided to grow mangos at all.  I couldn't believe how great that fruit was.  The tree has two trunks coming up from the seed so its a Poly seed.  The largest trunk is already over 6 feet tall (close to 7 feet tall) and branching out on its own rather nicely and looking like a real winner.  The smaller trunk is around 4 feet tall.  I haven't done any sort of pruning on that tree and it developed a nice low set of branches and another high set at around 5 feet.  The tree, unlike my other seedlings, has kept all of its leaves from all of its flushes - ie - the trunk itself still has leaves.  The tree has limited anthracnose damage to the leaves but there is some.  Genetic winner at least the way its growing now and since its a Poly by evidence of the multiple trunks if the mangos taste anything like the one I bought from that stand ima gonna be a happy camper.

Tree #2.  This seedling is from a beautiful Kent mango.  Again it was bought from a street vendor around Okeechobee in June 2016.  Its around 4 feet tall and just pushing another flush right now.  I pruned that tree following the "Ghana pruning video" this spring and its creating a beautiful open canopy.  The internodes on that tree are HUGE.  The canopy is nice and airy and the tree is looking phenomenal.  If it keeps this up it'll be well over 6 feet tall  and fully branched out next year.  This seedling shows almost no anthracnose and is taking off into a very wide tree and has also not dropped the lower, developing leaves.

Tree #3.  This seedling is also from a Kent mango that was rather tasty.  This tree however has internodes that are around 1 to 1.5 inches each.  I pruned it according to the "Ghana pruning video" again and it is branching nicely but the tree is maybe 3 feet tall if that.  If you're looking for a dwarf tree, this is it.  It has some anthracnose damage to the leaves and has dropped all of its lower leaves.  The tip leaves are looking good now but the current flush its going through is right on top of the last growth and my guess is i'm going to have anthracnose issues on this tree.  Keeping it for now but seriously considering top-working the tree.  Genetic unknown but i don't think this is a tree I'll use for anything more than a graft - though I do need trees to graft onto so not a big loss.

Tree #4.  I'm going to pull the plug on this one and use the container for another tree.  The tree is maybe 2 feet tall and almost looks like a bonsai tree.  The seedling was a brother/sister of the sugar cookie mango and came from the same tree that seedling #1 came from.  Genetic looser.  It has around 8 or 9 branches but gets HAMMERED by anthracnose.  I can't believe this seed came from the same batch that produced tree #1.  This one isn't even worth grafting onto as it truly looks like I bonsai'd it from the beginning.

Then lets talk about some of my seedlings that were started last summer.  I've got some seedlings that I started 4 months ago that are bigger than some of the seedlings I started last June.  I gave away two of my nicer seedlings and kept the runts but I'm not going to use those for anything more than grafting material.  Again, i need seedlings to graft onto so no big loss - and in the long run I'm saying myself money by starting trees from the fruits i'm eating anyway - but neither of the 2 from last summer that I have left are worth keeping.

Its all about the genetic lottery at work.


Mother nature brings life back.  I had bananas, calamondin and papaya all froze down to bare earth this last February - all back.  The bananas are almost 4 feet tall now.  The calamondin and papaya are about a foot tall.  Glad to see its working out especially with that second cluster pushing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frist Mangos
« on: May 31, 2018, 10:56:16 PM »
Shot another one

Tree rat, or mango tree itself since you're mad at them for producing poorly  ;D ;D

If its not too late to get in on this party i would love to try a few.  Longwood (Orlando) Florida area.

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