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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: February 26, 2021, 12:59:58 PM »

that sabara hybrid from PIN

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: February 25, 2021, 05:25:23 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: February 22, 2021, 09:21:51 PM »
look unto this one

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Those are not lizard turds
« on: February 16, 2021, 04:16:25 PM »
nice cluster of anole scat there hass

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« on: February 08, 2021, 06:23:58 PM »
small grafted anomaly with blooms made it through freezes in little protected area

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Peculiar Flowers of a Eugenia uniflora
« on: January 30, 2021, 01:58:05 PM »
Here are some pics, note the shape of the anthers, the petal count, and of course the size.

I put a normal black pitanga flower in the pic to show them side by side.

some pics of grafted anomaly trees, each pic represents an individual flowering tree (thereís about 12 of them here grafted flowering out of 16 total).


as of today:

I have noticed that many fruit species can have precocious individuals that fruit at a much smaller size. Could it be either a Red Hybrid or Red which are known to fruit at small sizes? This could just be a bit smaller than usual.If we forget that they are nearly all hybrids anyway that would make it a M. cauliflora. I have a feeling that most dwarfs are a form of aureana or cauliflora.

couldnt disagree more...but i see how you might say that, being you're on the other side of the planet, and have never grown this variety, or seen it in person...

if it's just a red seedling that precocious, why does it behave differently in terms of heat resistance?  why do all the seedlings that arise from the mother tree have foliage that is easily discernible from the red?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« on: December 27, 2020, 05:07:01 PM »
update on mother tree....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing persimmon in FL
« on: December 25, 2020, 10:30:46 AM »
I was hoping to get some advice on growing persimmons in FL. I hear they are pretty hit or miss.

I currently have a south florida/Hudson persimmon.

I just ordered a few small trees. Fuyu, chocolate and hachiya. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

easiest fruit tree to grow, i believe they graft them onto native roots stock, here they fruit and grow with absolutely zero help.

Hudson/South FL, probably my best fruiting variety, compact, heavy fruiter.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold protection tropicals
« on: December 22, 2020, 02:21:26 PM »
cold protection for a freeze in FL, sub tropical and tropical plants here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kwai Muk (Artocarpus sp.) Varieties
« on: December 14, 2020, 11:54:47 AM »
Improved Plant Regeneration Method for Artocarpus lakoocha  (seeds i got from Oscar years ago, now a tree with fruits setting, even after 25F, dying back to the ground, now 10ft tall approx, 8yrs old?)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 11, 2020, 04:24:50 PM »
hard to get excited about a phitrantha hybrid, that looks just like the parent, especially when you already have over 10 varieties of that species....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 11, 2020, 04:20:59 PM »
but you do realize when you plant phitrantha seeds, they come up looking highly variable, in terms of foliage, and growth habit?  Some more upright, some more weepy and bushy...leaves of all sizes, some smaller than red, some larger than the parent.

i think my wolf analogy fits the needs of this situation, but as I've said before, I sent over 5 species to be analyzed for genetic markers, and they all appeared to be the same.

if they are capable of interbreeding and producing viable offspring, (that appears fairly stable when planted from seed afterwards) it seems like lines between species and variety are blurred.

they're all wolves to me, and the varieties/species that graft onto sabara are like other dogs, that can breed with a wolf.
Adam Thank you for your input. Please see the link to find out what the dwarf costada variety is specifically and how it is being sold by nurseries. When you raised this name I thought you were referring to this which I have along with several other Phitrantha varieties. Being such a widely accepted and distributed Phitrantha I thought you were using that as a reference point.

Here is the tree in question and it is quite  unlike my phitranthras, My point about parentage especially of hybrids like scarlet or red hybrid is that their precise origins are unknown and parents seem to be speculative. Many of the suspected hybrids may be just random variation in the created species that don't exist in the wild.The wolf analogy just doesn't fit.
Sure get excited about crosses from more distantly related ones but remember the phenotypic plasticity of them means you can't look at them and know their genetic similarity.
The Brazilian from which I received them is a genuine jab heavyweight with a big collection and he advised there was no mistake in the seeds I received when I enquired afterwards and the case for outcrossed plants is a good one. The male parent if that is the case could be any one of maybe 50 or more varieties he has nearby.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 11, 2020, 12:23:11 PM »
It is raining too much for me to go outside and take a pic of my tree. It is over 10 feet tall now so almost as tall as my scarlets, upright in form and the fruit are perhaps more ribbed also than costada. It would be interesting to know the parentage and origins of costada.

the parentage of "costada"?

that is just a generic term for all phitranthas,

so like asking what is the parentage of a wolf....a wolf.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 11, 2020, 12:18:30 PM »
i get excited, when i see attributes in the suspect hybrid, that I haven't seen in the parents....

for instance, the strange structure of these blooms, on a suspect Red x Grimal...

and of course, the Kimber's Hybrid (Red x Grimal), this tree is maybe one of the finest tasting Plinias I've ever had, but I don't like to talk it up too much, I've only eaten less than 20 fruits.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 11, 2020, 11:43:08 AM »
the phitrantha i named Sanford, came out of a batch of aureana seeds from Oscar in HI, and I believe he imported them from Brazil and resold them to me.  I just assumed it was a stray phitrantha seed that got thrown into the mix.

the Sanford tree is unique in terms of foliage, and growth habit, but it reminds me of ESALQ, and other phitranthas I've tasted.

the hybrids that tickle my fancy, are the ones where the parents are more distantly related. 

for example, Phitrantha x Grimal, Red x Trunciflora, Anomaly x Grimal, Red x Grimal, Sabara x Grimal, Sabara x Phitrantha, and so on...

Thanks Adam and there is always more to a story. I have costada and know it. It has a different growth pattern and foliage and the fruit are smaller but yes there is a resemblance in the fruit appearance. The reason I assumed some had outcrossed to phiitrantha  is that the outdoor planted parent my Brazilian friend had was in close proximity to several phitranthra which he also had growing.He did confirm that all in the batch sent came from aureana when I enquired and there was no mixup.
I will say that I really don't believe aureana and phiitrantha are different species but are just at different ends of a spectrum of tree size and fruit colour etc of a single species. Since both forms and all in between exist only in cultivation and not in the wild some may question the validity of both of these species anyway as stand alone entities.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 09, 2020, 02:28:45 PM »
but it looks just like a typical costada P. phitrantha, hence the costate appearance, and purple skin.

I don't see how you'd confirm hybridization between aureana, and phitrantha?  that's like crossing a pitbull with a staffordshire terrier.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: November 23, 2020, 07:02:19 PM »
i seent sum chatter about the sanford being an aureana seedling, but i'm saying it was a phitrantha seedling that got thrown into a bag of seeds i got that were supposed to be aureana...

there's no way you're going to get the difference in flavor and fruit composition between sanford phitrantha and aureana from seed....

and a hybrid of aureana and phitrantha, would kind of be redundant...they are so closely related, you'd probably have no way to distinguish a hybrid from a pure phitrantha...that is, maybe unless they were both selected, and rare varieties that looked totally different...

and furthermore, they are calling some trees like "watermelon" P. aureana, but i beg to differ, it's got fuzzy leaves and aureana never has fuzz like watermelon does...i'd say it's closer related to P. grandifolia....

but when you boil it all down, all these different species, are probably the same species, and we're dealing with a bunch of varieties thereof. 

Think of Sabara like the wolf, and every other plinia that can graft onto it, is like a modern day domesticated dog.  Almost all of the Plinias that look like Sabara (at least superficially, like trunciflora, grandifolia, aureana, phitrantha, coronata, etc...) can all interbreed and produce viable offspring (with the possible exception of Plinia edulis, clausa, etc.).  So they all the same species to me...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria guaquiea
« on: November 20, 2020, 02:32:47 PM »
super fun to grow, fruits in about 3-5yr from seed, mine did it in 4yrs, i have two of them.

no fruit set the first year, but now 5th year flowering like crazy.

very resilient, concerning humidity, heat, and flooding...easy to fruit in a pot for many years.

I luv these trees, can't wait to taste fruits, I've tasted strigipes, and glazioviana, both of which i enjoy....

here is one for sale now on ebay, i don't have many to sell now...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: November 19, 2020, 02:42:35 PM »
Plinias are flowering (jabuticaba trees) before Winter

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