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I have noticed that many fruit species can have precocious individuals that fruit at a much smaller size. Could it be either a Red Hybrid or Red which are known to fruit at small sizes? This could just be a bit smaller than usual.If we forget that they are nearly all hybrids anyway that would make it a M. cauliflora. I have a feeling that most dwarfs are a form of aureana or cauliflora.
I was hoping to get some advice on growing persimmons in FL. I hear they are pretty hit or miss.
I currently have a south florida/Hudson persimmon.
I just ordered a few small trees. Fuyu, chocolate and hachiya. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/Jaboticaba-Costada-Myrciaria-phitrantha.htm
Adam Thank you for your input. Please see the link to find out what the dwarf costada variety is specifically and how it is being sold by nurseries. When you raised this name I thought you were referring to this which I have along with several other Phitrantha varieties. Being such a widely accepted and distributed Phitrantha I thought you were using that as a reference point.
Here is the tree in question and it is quite unlike my phitranthras, My point about parentage especially of hybrids like scarlet or red hybrid is that their precise origins are unknown and parents seem to be speculative. Many of the suspected hybrids may be just random variation in the created species that don't exist in the wild.The wolf analogy just doesn't fit.
Sure get excited about crosses from more distantly related ones but remember the phenotypic plasticity of them means you can't look at them and know their genetic similarity.
The Brazilian from which I received them is a genuine jab heavyweight with a big collection and he advised there was no mistake in the seeds I received when I enquired afterwards and the case for outcrossed plants is a good one. The male parent if that is the case could be any one of maybe 50 or more varieties he has nearby.
It is raining too much for me to go outside and take a pic of my tree. It is over 10 feet tall now so almost as tall as my scarlets, upright in form and the fruit are perhaps more ribbed also than costada. It would be interesting to know the parentage and origins of costada.
Thanks Adam and there is always more to a story. I have costada and know it. It has a different growth pattern and foliage and the fruit are smaller but yes there is a resemblance in the fruit appearance. The reason I assumed some had outcrossed to phiitrantha is that the outdoor planted parent my Brazilian friend had was in close proximity to several phitranthra which he also had growing.He did confirm that all in the batch sent came from aureana when I enquired and there was no mixup.
I will say that I really don't believe aureana and phiitrantha are different species but are just at different ends of a spectrum of tree size and fruit colour etc of a single species. Since both forms and all in between exist only in cultivation and not in the wild some may question the validity of both of these species anyway as stand alone entities.