nice cluster of anole scat there hass

Here are some pics, note the shape of the anthers, the petal count, and of course the size.

I put a normal black pitanga flower in the pic to show them side by side.

I have noticed that many fruit species can have precocious individuals that fruit at a much smaller size. Could it be either a Red Hybrid or Red which are known to fruit at small sizes? This could just be a bit smaller than usual.If we forget that they are nearly all hybrids anyway that would make it a M. cauliflora. I have a feeling that most dwarfs are a form of aureana or cauliflora.

couldnt disagree more...but i see how you might say that, being you're on the other side of the planet, and have never grown this variety, or seen it in person...

if it's just a red seedling that precocious, why does it behave differently in terms of heat resistance?  why do all the seedlings that arise from the mother tree have foliage that is easily discernible from the red?

I was hoping to get some advice on growing persimmons in FL. I hear they are pretty hit or miss.

I currently have a south florida/Hudson persimmon.

I just ordered a few small trees. Fuyu, chocolate and hachiya. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

easiest fruit tree to grow, i believe they graft them onto native roots stock, here they fruit and grow with absolutely zero help.

Hudson/South FL, probably my best fruiting variety, compact, heavy fruiter.

Improved Plant Regeneration Method for Artocarpus lakoocha  (seeds i got from Oscar years ago, now a tree with fruits setting, even after 25F, dying back to the ground, now 10ft tall approx, 8yrs old?)

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s42535-019-00041-4/figures/1

but you do realize when you plant phitrantha seeds, they come up looking highly variable, in terms of foliage, and growth habit?  Some more upright, some more weepy and bushy...leaves of all sizes, some smaller than red, some larger than the parent.

i think my wolf analogy fits the needs of this situation, but as I've said before, I sent over 5 species to be analyzed for genetic markers, and they all appeared to be the same.

if they are capable of interbreeding and producing viable offspring, (that appears fairly stable when planted from seed afterwards) it seems like lines between species and variety are blurred.

they're all wolves to me, and the varieties/species that graft onto sabara are like other dogs, that can breed with a wolf.

https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/Jaboticaba-Costada-Myrciaria-phitrantha.htm
Adam Thank you for your input. Please see the link to find out what the dwarf costada variety is specifically and how it is being sold by nurseries. When you raised this name I thought you were referring to this which I have along with several other Phitrantha varieties. Being such a widely accepted and distributed Phitrantha I thought you were using that as a reference point.


Here is the tree in question and it is quite  unlike my phitranthras, My point about parentage especially of hybrids like scarlet or red hybrid is that their precise origins are unknown and parents seem to be speculative. Many of the suspected hybrids may be just random variation in the created species that don't exist in the wild.The wolf analogy just doesn't fit.
Sure get excited about crosses from more distantly related ones but remember the phenotypic plasticity of them means you can't look at them and know their genetic similarity.
The Brazilian from which I received them is a genuine jab heavyweight with a big collection and he advised there was no mistake in the seeds I received when I enquired afterwards and the case for outcrossed plants is a good one. The male parent if that is the case could be any one of maybe 50 or more varieties he has nearby.

i get excited, when i see attributes in the suspect hybrid, that I haven't seen in the parents....

for instance, the strange structure of these blooms, on a suspect Red x Grimal...

















and of course, the Kimber's Hybrid (Red x Grimal), this tree is maybe one of the finest tasting Plinias I've ever had, but I don't like to talk it up too much, I've only eaten less than 20 fruits.

but it looks just like a typical costada P. phitrantha, hence the costate appearance, and purple skin.

I don't see how you'd confirm hybridization between aureana, and phitrantha?  that's like crossing a pitbull with a staffordshire terrier.

i seent sum chatter about the sanford being an aureana seedling, but i'm saying it was a phitrantha seedling that got thrown into a bag of seeds i got that were supposed to be aureana...

there's no way you're going to get the difference in flavor and fruit composition between sanford phitrantha and aureana from seed....

and a hybrid of aureana and phitrantha, would kind of be redundant...they are so closely related, you'd probably have no way to distinguish a hybrid from a pure phitrantha...that is, maybe unless they were both selected, and rare varieties that looked totally different...

and furthermore, they are calling some trees like "watermelon" P. aureana, but i beg to differ, it's got fuzzy leaves and aureana never has fuzz like watermelon does...i'd say it's closer related to P. grandifolia....

but when you boil it all down, all these different species, are probably the same species, and we're dealing with a bunch of varieties thereof. 

Think of Sabara like the wolf, and every other plinia that can graft onto it, is like a modern day domesticated dog.  Almost all of the Plinias that look like Sabara (at least superficially, like trunciflora, grandifolia, aureana, phitrantha, coronata, etc...) can all interbreed and produce viable offspring (with the possible exception of Plinia edulis, clausa, etc.).  So they all the same species to me...

Plinias are flowering (jabuticaba trees) before Winter

https://youtu.be/yRYDRCe9q0I