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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Weeping banana
« on: August 14, 2019, 05:15:24 PM »
Once you cut the top out some will say that the transplant will never fruit


whoever said that has 0% experience growing bananas, the corm has a genetic marker or something... they will always grow back after being cut, and flower/fruit.    If cut after they flower or even if they have a flower developing in the trunk, they won't grow back.  So if they grow back, they will flower 100%.

Also.. the banana is just acclimating, it is a new transplant, I've had plenty of new plantings do this, especially with large leaf bearing bananas like cuban reds.  If it gets too bad just cut it and let it grow back and try again.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What happened to my jackfruit tree?
« on: August 01, 2019, 09:27:48 PM »
hard to know Malia without seeing your soil, and knowing what your store bought soil is like.  However I am a huge fan of hole digging and soil replacement. I've got it down to a science for my soil conditions, I dig the hole as deep as possible, fill with chopped banana, then I burn material in the hole like mill cut offs, dried coconuts, leaves, grass, etc. until the hole is pretty full of ash and cinder.   Then I fill with compost, manure, and coir mix mounded up high.  Then I wait for this to settle and plant trees in this.  The only real proof that this works, is that before my trees always died or stunted before, but now my trees almost always survive.  I think long term the hole will help build grow really strong taproots to water table because nothing too difficult to go around.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What happened to my jackfruit tree?
« on: August 01, 2019, 01:20:11 PM »
Hi, you are missing the point.. plant the seeds directly in the ground, jackfruit planting is not really planting, they should sit above or a just a bit under loose dirt with plenty of shade, so if the area you want to plant is getting full sun, build a square shadenet house around it.

By planting direct in the ground, the tree will acclimate to the conditions better.  Also the seedlings have quite a lot of nutrients to push the taproot deep and to the right level, and it can help 'push' up the tree to where it needs to be survive.  None of that can be done if started in a pot.  Also since planting a bunch, a few dying is not a big deal, and those seeds may have survived in the pot, but not survive when planting after raising in a pot.

What do you think about how I should proceed with the seedlings? Better keep replanting them in bigger pots and then plant in the ground or stop at 3 gallons and then plant in the ground? The biggest pot I have is 15 gallon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What happened to my jackfruit tree?
« on: July 29, 2019, 01:22:47 AM »
Malia, per your original reply, buying a bigger potted Jackfruit will not solve the issue, plant from seed, spend that money on fresh jackfruit and plant as many seeds possible everywhere.  Eventually just cull the weakest out.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What happened to my jackfruit tree?
« on: July 28, 2019, 07:53:47 PM »
the few I lost experienced wet feet for a a day or two and went into shock, new budding leaves kept coming up giving me hope, but eventually those grew very small with brownish tips and the tree just gave up.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Air Layering failed
« on: July 28, 2019, 01:25:28 PM »
like a basil cutting in a cup of water, should rot or root.  Seems your issue is lack of moisture, that is why air layers usually use a sterile water retaining substrate like coir.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What happened to my jackfruit tree?
« on: July 28, 2019, 01:20:22 PM »

1.  potted jackfruit (taproot very fickle)
2.  rainy weather
3.  your hole

When you dig a hole, the soil when refilled will be naturally less compact then surrounding area, this causes water to collect in the hole and cause waterlogged conditions. 

Next time you can try to disturb surrounding dirt less, or try to compact it better and plant slightly above in a mound.  It will settle in a year or two level.

Sorry to say but in my experience potted Jackfruit and Durian, once they start dropping leaves due to waterlogged conditions, they will die, never seen them make a come back.

I think the Laplae Durian festival is late July/early August, so yeh, there is still Durian in Thailand, Thailand actually very long country with wide range longitudes.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: edible pineapple
« on: July 26, 2019, 12:31:53 AM »
even the largest pineapple fruit strains, if planted and starved will wait and wait and wait, and after maximum waiting time I think genetically speaking around 2.5 yrs they will product small fruit like this.  They are like cactus almost, they don't need much water or nutrients, but if you give them that the fruit will fatten and become juicy.

I have one in full sun, and one in partial shade, both have grown in such a way that the leader has grown too tall for its weight, fell over, and new side leaders have come up to compete forming threes naturally. 

I'm going to wait until mine has some real woody growth before topping.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana corms recovery
« on: July 22, 2019, 11:44:06 PM »
found one picture of my favorite reds..

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana corms recovery
« on: July 22, 2019, 06:42:22 PM »
Pisang Mas pictures of fruits match Gluay Khai, important that small, completely round, thin skin, flesh slight orangish tint.  Very sweet, but bruises easily and can ripen unevenly occasionally causing hard spots in fruit.  Boles larger than Leb Mer (Leb Mer Nang is likely just dwarf variety of Leb Mer)

My favorite red banana at house has similar shape to Gluay Khai, pink flesh, round but more slender fruit.

Gluay Namwa have at least 3 important varieties which are hugely different:
Gluay Namwa Yak (giant)
Gluay Namwa Dia (dwarf) - not farmed
Gluay Namwa Pak Chong 50 -

Be away from the farm for a while, but when back will post up some pics, since we have a common interest in Thai banana!

Not sure why you plant Tani, for jungle bananas, the seeded Borneo versions seem to be much more impressive.  In south, any seeded version will refer to Gluay Pa (jungle banana) and there is much debate and concern about seeded versions cross pollinating good strains... sometimes old wives tales are true, so who knows.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: when ro plant out snakeskin fruit?
« on: July 22, 2019, 02:54:36 PM »
mountainous areas get more shade cover, so a few 'dust/wind' breaks from tall trees will help with enough additional shade. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana corns recovery
« on: July 22, 2019, 02:52:30 PM »
Namwah is very generic now, size can be from 6 foot to 30' tall, size of bananas varies, and also the number of bunches can be from 3 - 20.  As long as you didn't buy "Dwarf Namwa" you should get something that produces decent floral sweet flavor with vigorous growth and many suckers.  Smaller, but not too tightly spaced.  It is a decent banana

Gros Michel is a sickly type  banana, they prefer to grow very close together to keep stalk from drying out, and need a lot of fertilizer, however they produce very large racks of williams type banana, same as commercial varieites on market as far as taste, (Dole banana) and produce just enough suckers 2-3 per tree, with one nice one to keep.  Very susceptible to disease and rot.

Lady finger is not a Thai name, so unless they provided a Thai name you could have got many different types of Thai 'specific' varieties.  They likely are selling a sort of 'leb mer'  (fingernail) which is smaller than lady finger.  The taste is starchy sweet, and the bananas are 'cute' but are very slow growers, produce very few bunches, and produce many suckers but not vigorous spreader.

Long time ago I bought up any and all red banana corms I could find on market, and finally found one that produced small lady finger sized bananas with pink insides, and is the sweetest banana I have ever tasted.  Ripening was even and normal, growth vigorous, suckers vigorous, it really is the best banana I have ever seen, and I would likely rename it in the future to avoid confusion with all the huge generic problem of "Gluay Nak" "Gluay Goong" names in Thai.  Several other red bananas had the issues of cuban red such as difficulty in ripening, slow growth, starchy flavor, etc.

Other excellent Thai strains include Jackfruit Banana (Gluay Kanoon), Gluay Keeow (green banana).  Out of the 20 or so strains I planted, My red, jackfruit, and green bananas are the tops, and still on the fence about which plantains to keep.

Which kinds are you growing now?  Thai bananas is a huge hobby for me as far as collecting.

Which variety are they? I have many bananas from Thailand, in future I can send you if you are interested. Probably you can get them in week.
I have Kluai Leb Mu Nang, Kluai khai, kluai Namwah
It was an offer (low price) so i desided to buy them. Varieties : Kluai Namwah, Lady Finger and Gros Michel. You can send me a pm about your varieties.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana corns recovery
« on: July 21, 2019, 11:57:27 PM »
likely best way is to just try to dry it partially and then package it so that no more water is lost..
just guessing here.  I was always shipped corms loose, sometimes in plastic bags, but really best way is to get nice big suckers from parent tree, these small or cut up pieces are very hard to get going.
What is the best way to send banana corms for such a long time?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop juice at Costco
« on: July 21, 2019, 11:55:17 PM »
nice, going to see if can special order to Hawaii

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: unindentified fruits from Sarawak
« on: July 20, 2019, 02:34:09 PM »
How would Dialium Indum end up in Reunion?  Especially when closer relatives are around, perhaps like

Also keep in mind this is a rainforest tree, so it would likely need the stress of breaching a canopy to fruit, - 20-30 years?  With little sustenance, difficulty in planting as a crop or even decoration.. how or why would Indum a SE asian native end up in Africa. 

Don't know how they are different, but the Dialium wikipedia page lists several species, just that Indum is 'general' or most well known scientific name.  It would make sense that there are several almost indistinguishable species, because of their distance apart from each other.

on a side note... This is one of the best hardwoods in the world, especially for house building because of the long straight bole of this rainforest canopy tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Video of someone stealing my mangoes
« on: July 19, 2019, 02:08:10 PM »
In this case a chained dog would have been perfect...  I had all sorts of farm thieves before, they would even come in and dig up Tapioca, or even better the neighbors we knew thought it would be ok to harvest greens early morning in plain sight.. not even trying to be subtle.  Dogs are part jackal, they do not allow any strangers. I put a few of the most aggressive ones in warehouse daytime so they don't accidentally bite mailman or 'ok' strangers, then they all roam free at night sundown to sunup.  Since they all female, they don't stray far from home.

If need them daytime, just chain them up where needed, to stop the pig from using an accessway, or around a fruiting tree near property border like this.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana corns recovery
« on: July 19, 2019, 01:47:29 AM »
I don't think it will kill them, but also you will have a rough time with those small corms, they are very susceptible to rot when so small, use small pots with very good drainage, good mix of sand, and keep them in the shade, since sand won't hold much water.

Should i disinfect them soaking in hydrogen peroxide? Can it kill them?
These corns came from thailand. 3 weeks on the way

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana corns recovery
« on: July 18, 2019, 01:05:35 PM »
corms are very easy to work with, but some problems:
partially rotten
or desiccated, but it is very hard to dry them out completely, unless very small like this

Like a tuber, rub through your hands harshly to check for rot, looks like yours are ok.

Corms will grow quickly when mixed with dirt and a lot of manure.  You can soak them in a manure tea for 24 hours to help jumpstart them as well.

An idea how to save the banana corns?
It seems the core is alive

what is this:

some fibers near the skin also discolored

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitraria Schoberi
« on: July 15, 2019, 03:18:17 PM »
Coccoloba uvifera is also like a salty grape, but description a bit off because very little flesh, more like a salty blueberry or something.  :)

Mangifera odorata I read from wikipedia flowers all year round.  Perhaps this is only suited for the equatorial tropics. 

I wonder what that means.. like actually flowering all year regardless of weather, or that any short dry spell can induce flowering. 

In my opinion for those in climates with heavy rains, pick only the mango which will accurately flower as close to start of dry season as possible.  So to avoid aborted or washed off flowers, and fruit flies entering flowers. Clean fruits without anthrocnose washed on or sap.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Keeping my trees small
« on: July 13, 2019, 09:34:09 PM »
Nice!  It is just me or are your lychees huge!

Do you ever have problems with anthracnose, mealybugs, or tree ants?  I would  also be worried about fungal rot near stump, since so well shaded.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: FRUIT ID ?
« on: July 11, 2019, 01:34:27 PM »
looks similar to Jambos as well, but your photos of the leaves not too good.  Also the flowers are old or different than Jambos.

I have never ate Polycephalum, but from wikipedia it is said Polycephalum is sour, Jambos is definitely not sour.

I think there are others in family with round fruits/white flowers.  Wikipedia says Polycephalum is found in Indonesia, but I believe Jambos is widespread.

I think can know more once fruit has matured and you have tried it!

Also Jambos new leaves flush purple, not sure if Polycephalum does as well.

Interestingly Polycephalum is said to have edible (possibly delicious) flushes of new leaves.  Jambos new leaves I have not tried but have never heard of people eating.

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