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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Willughbeia Elmerii
« on: July 29, 2019, 07:12:20 AM »
Ada tips ga buat numbuhinnya? Scr umum aja

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I'm glad that somebody replied to this thread. So how's the grafted fig doing? Does it experience positive improvements as stated in the 1920s paper?

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https://www.actahort.org/books/452/452_19.htm

The goal is to make TC plants, just wondering here...

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Yea I read about figs in Thailand, one of the threads has Batagglia fig, which makes me think that probably this variety is the one that is spread widely in Indonesia. Anyone can confirm about Batagglia?? What condition do they thrive in the U.S. or Europe??

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Btw I just remembered that figs usually go dormant in climates with winter. Are these dormant times imperative?? Will it damage the tree for the long time if grown as evergreen?

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Here in Indonesia we have a variety called Green Jordan. People call it "local" strain of fig as this strain arrived long ago, probably no clue of what this called in international community (maybe I just don't research enough). It has been well known by fig nurseries here (there are lots of nurseries here but no orchard) that this is especially a "beginner variety" for those wanting to grow fig. So I guess a F. opposita rootstock would make it darn perfect here  ;D

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There are a couple of dozen wild fig species in my district and Ficus racemose and ficus opposita are 2 of the most common.F.racemosa doesn't look like suitable or closely related to the domestic fig.F.opposita is closer and one of quite a few sandpaper figs that range from chilly Victoria to oppressively hot Northern Territory and the Kimberlies including dry inland areas.Who know if various sandpaper figs could be selected as rootstocks in various climates.Maybe they can.
How does the humidity in Cairns like Mike?? I remember in the previous topic about fig rootstock, someone made a remark on how his fig (brown turkey) if I'm not wrong has done tremendously good, also in Queensland (he said tropical Australia). I'm looking forward for this. Maybe I can buy some cuttins from you  ;)

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Not in the plain sense, but grafted into certain Australian sandpaper fig rootstock. Referring to this thread: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18620.0

And this paper:
http://fshs.org/proceedings-o/1925-vol-38/92-97_Mowry.pdf

I'm 99% certain that it is F. opposita as anthony davies said since he had first hand experience grafting and experiencing abundant yield year round.

In my country, Indonesia, F. racemosa grows wild and seedlings are sold as rootstock for a kind of green fig grown abundantly here called "Green Jordan" variety. I talked to one of fig tree vendor and he said that when grafted into F. racemosa which is synonymous to glomerata in the paper, the fig grows at faster rate. Also in the paper, the mystery fig did even much better than glomerata.

Assuming that the correct species is opposita, wouldn't it be a huge commercial prospect for us folks living in the tropics?? Exporting warm weather varieties into Mediterranean and Middle Eastern countries?? Sounds too good to be true??

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So what's the consensus on this topic?? I think folks here have narrowed it down to F. copiosa and F. opposita. Btw to clarify, I read the paper and it is said there that there are 2 rootstocks that are successful, glomerata and 52406. I read that glomerata is synonymous with racemosa, and here in Indonesia, lots of nurseries and hobbyists using racemosa as rootstock (they grow wild here). Reports confirm about faster growth rate and more abundant fruiting, but it seems 52406 still has something better to offer, based on the 1920's paper anyway

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How’s the fruit taste?

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For Indonesians this one is often called "saninten". Thank you!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba: Another Stupid Question
« on: July 09, 2018, 05:48:12 AM »
Mine are flowering now and the honey bees are going crazy as well as bumble bees, small native stingless bees and blue banded bees.They sure are popular with bees.
Weird that I have never heard any mention of Jab honey on the interweb..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba: Another Stupid Question
« on: July 05, 2018, 10:15:02 PM »
I see. Should have used portuguese in the search engine it seems. So it does exist.. Thank you for the info

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jaboticaba: Another Stupid Question
« on: July 05, 2018, 11:18:46 AM »
I have no prior experience and knowledge regarding beekeeping, but considering the amount of flowers in a jaboticaba tree and its dependence on cross pollination for higher yield, why is there no marketed product of ‘jaboticaba honey’ or a topic about beekeeping in Plinia orchard being brought up?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba and Mycorrhizal Association
« on: October 25, 2017, 12:36:16 AM »
I am growing Plinia Inflata the Giant Mulchi organically.  I got seeds from Oscar At Fruit Lovers Nursery and they all germinated.  They seem to grow fairly fast.  Unfortunately I haven’t been able to get any first hand knowledge about the taste, texture, etc.  I do have the red Jaboticaba but they don’t excite me as much as the Giant Mulchi.
Yea, it seems they're from the same Family as Jabo. But I'm guessing the taste and commercial value probably not as spectacular as Jaboticaba, which can be noticed by the hype surrounding this fruit (Jabo) in the whole forum. Hell, if they could bear fruits in 3-4 years from seeds as it is described, I'm totally sold. Good yield due to cauliflory, nice taste (haven't tasted one tho), wide applications (wine, jam, etc).

In Bali Island, Indonesia there are vineyards and wineries, even though grapes don't thrive as good in the tropics. A Jaboticaba vineyard would be more in line with nature rather than against them I suppose.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Myrtaceae Thread
« on: October 24, 2017, 11:42:33 AM »
Hello all,

I want to start a thread about the aforementioned Family. Right now, I'm considering to do an experiment in inoculation of tree seeds with mycorrhizal gourmet mushroom. The mushroom in question forms mycorrhizal association with Tristaniopsis merguensis from Myrtaceae family.

Right now, I'm interested in getting a bunch of red Jaboticaba seeds which aren't available in my country. The reason I'm choosing jaboticaba is due to high yield, product quality and the fast bearing nature of Vermelha (if I'm not wrong) variety. But I'm open to other fruit trees from the aforementioned Family.

Anyway, here's the climate profile of the place where I live so that you guys can give me suggestions on Red Jaboticaba or other Myrtaceae trees : https://www.accuweather.com/en/id/serpong/202292/weather-forecast/202292

Thank you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba and Mycorrhizal Association
« on: October 24, 2017, 10:36:44 AM »
Thank you for the link. Have you grown Jaboticaba?? I might use some advice for the climate around my place! https://www.accuweather.com/en/id/serpong/202292/weather-forecast/202292
Btw, I'm interested in red Jaboticaba (they call it Vermelha if I'm not wrong, the fast bearing 3 years fruiting type). If you happen to know, will they thrive in my climate?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jaboticaba and Mycorrhizal Association
« on: October 23, 2017, 02:11:15 AM »
Does anyone here have an info about the plant Jaboticaba (Plinia) and its mycorrhizal association?? There are different types of mycorrhizae, namely endomycorrhizae, ectomycorrhizae, orchid mycorrhizae, etc. For anyone who happens to research tropical fruit trees intensively, may you give me the enlightenment on the type of mycorrhizal symbiont the Jaboticaba have?? Thank you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: About the Inga genus
« on: October 19, 2017, 12:33:00 AM »
Thank you all for the replies you have provided! Really informative and educational. Those videos about Agenda Gotsch are indeed really well made. Based on what Oscar said I assume that regular red soil will do, since that what I thought at first after reading that Inga grows in poor soil. Precisely, that one quality of the genus Inga fits perfectly for Agenda Gotsch's agenda  ::)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: About the Inga genus
« on: October 17, 2017, 10:57:52 PM »
Thanks for the replies!

Btw, what's a good substrate recipe for the nursery stage?? Would straight red soil do??

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sale: Red Jaboticaba seeds
« on: October 17, 2017, 10:50:43 PM »
Do they fruit faster than other Jabo cultivars? Like 2 or 3 years from seed?? Thank you

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / About the Inga genus
« on: October 17, 2017, 01:46:18 PM »
Hi,

I'm new to this forum, and the reason I'm joining this forum aside from being in a tropical country is because I'm wondering about the genus Inga for these few days.

Apparently, this tree is being utilized to combat slash and burn farming which is being done in tropical rainforest areas of Africa and South America. The sad news also it's being done also in Borneo, but probably illegal logging is the bigger threat over there over our precious rainforest.

You guys can search "Inga Alley Farming" for more information and get lots of result. In summary, farmers are expected to plant rows of Inga shrub or tree and plant starch or cash crops in the "alleys" formed between rows of Inga trees. The merit of the method is that Inga is fast growing, and as such, farmers can prune them to form mulch around their crops and when they're getting big again, they will act as shade to prevent weeds and protect the crops from excessive sunlight (probably). Also being in the family of Fabaceae, they're nitrogen fixing legumes. I can also confirm, living in tropical country, legumes, any kind, be it weed, shrub or tree, all of them thrive in our climate.

The question is, why doesn't these rainforest savers advocating Inga Alley Cropping mention the economic bonus of harvesting ice cream beans?? Are they don't taste that particularly "good"??

Btw the reason Inga got in my mind recently is because I have been studying mycology for a few months. I'm doing trial and error of trying to isolate wild mushroom into culture, and there's one specific ectomycorrhizae from Thailand which is known to form connection with various family of trees including Fabaceae and that got me thinking about Inga, they're fast growing and they yield fruits. If I don't bring this up here, where should I?  ;)

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sale: Red Jaboticaba seeds
« on: October 17, 2017, 01:08:40 PM »
Is this the same as hybrid fast bearing jaboticaba (Myciaria cauliflora x) being sold at fruitlovers.com?? Cause the alias said so, "red jaboticaba"

http://www.fruitlovers.com/fruittreedescriptions.html#jaboticaba

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: October 17, 2017, 01:02:58 PM »
Hello all,

You can call me Albert. I live in Java Island, Indonesia where pretty much the fruits we're discussing here will thrive especially if they like full blown heat and humidity. For those in the middle which likes mild frost, I think not so much.

Currently interested in the Inga and Myrciaria or Plinia genus.

Albert

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