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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichanglemons
« on: September 03, 2018, 08:51:47 PM »
Weird. The arboretum's page uses the phrase "Ichang lemon": (first result)

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichanglemons
« on: September 02, 2018, 09:44:24 PM »
There is a large Ichang lemon tree at the JC Ralston arboretum in Raleigh (either southern 7b or northern 8a). I saw it last week, it's over 10 ft tall. No fruits on it though, but that might be because it's in a pretty shady area of the gardens.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Pictures from middle Georgia
« on: July 29, 2018, 08:21:17 PM »
No high winds here, I'm in the middle of an urban area (NC Triangle) and there's lots of windbreak on all sides of my site.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Pictures from middle Georgia
« on: July 27, 2018, 09:23:25 PM »
That's great. I was looking at this one: with the thought that on the coldest nights (arctic blasts, etc), I could cover the whole thing with an extra layer of frost blaket or tarp.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Pictures from middle Georgia
« on: July 26, 2018, 08:57:07 PM »
Luckycloud, you may need to use more protection in 7b NC than someone in central GA. I'm in western NCand have been experimenting with "cold hardy citrus " for the past 7 years or so. I've learned the hard way that no citrus or citrus hybrid is hardy here without the protection of a heated greenhouse, except poncyrus trifoliata. Even though my recorded low last winter was 7 degrees, I still lost all of my unprotected citrumelo and other citranges and nansho dai dai, etc, except for one 4 ft tall citrumelo planted out by the road and driveway. The problem here is that it can and does freeze and stay below freezing for days to weeks, and one winter didn't get above freezing for a month. My Owari, Kimbrough, Croxton, Changsha, Meiwa live and produce well each year by being grafted on PT and covering them with 4 mil plastic sheeting over pvc or wooden frames, and heated with small electric space heaters that are controlled by thermocubes that only come on at 35 degrees and turn off at 45 degrees. The trees have to be uncovered or vented/ partially uncovered if possible when temperatures outside get into the fifties so trees don't break dormancy. This past year, my 35 gallon black plastic garbage cans full of water that were next to citranges but uncovered by plastic tents and without heaters froze through and exploded. So, if you are below freezing for days, your satsumas will croak without extra heating.

Thanks, yes, I'm currently thinking about how to navigate that window of not too warm but not too cold. I am planning to use something pretty similar to what you describe: a plastic pop up greenhouse, small heater on a thermocube, and black 5gal buckets stacked and full of water inside the tent. Tree is planted in a fairly warm microclimate, and is on PT rootstock. I think it will require a lot of taking off the tent on warm days, putting it back on at night. I'm willing to try.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Pictures from middle Georgia
« on: July 10, 2018, 09:10:06 PM »
Thanks, that's great. Nice job with them!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Pictures from middle Georgia
« on: July 10, 2018, 06:35:21 PM »
Could you share how you protect in winter? I'm in 7b (NC) and put an Owari in the ground this March, and I'm still deciding exactly how I'm going to protect it this winter.

Yep, that's what I have. Other than using it on orchids (which seems to be working - it's ongoing), I only did that one experiment with the citrus rootstock. So your mileage may vary.

To break apical dominance spray only the top with anti gibberellins, and on lower parts of the tree dress it with a paste at high concentration of BAP and TZ. The tree should grow new buds in a couple of weeks. Of course using the hormones is like cheating the nature, but at least you get results.

Do you think that if I remove 10mm round piece of tree bark and apply this Keiki-Paste this will work to make new branches?

I've used cytokinin paste (ELIT brand on Amazon) to induce bud formation on a citrus rootstock whose scion had died back. I decided to try it since I already had bought it with the purpose of generating keikis on my orchids. I just scratched the surface and applied it thinly. It worked, so maybe it would work on mango as well.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: ID request - mystery trees
« on: April 14, 2018, 05:42:48 PM »
Added some more info to the original post. Thanks, JJROSS54 for weighting in! I personally love a mystery so hope that others find it interesting as well. Sure, the only way to really tell will be if/when they fruit. They are on sturdy trunks with many apparent years on them, so hopefully I won't have to wait forever.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: ID request - mystery trees
« on: April 14, 2018, 07:17:29 AM »
Update: #1 and 2 have mild non-distinctive scent. #3 leaves smell distinctly orange-like. #4 leaves definitely smell like lemon.

Citrus General Discussion / ID request - mystery trees
« on: April 13, 2018, 09:10:10 PM »
Hopefully someone here loves a mystery to solve. I got some citrus in 10.5" pots for cheap from someone who had bought a small greenhouse and then closed it. They didn't know what things were and the citrus looked like it had mostly died back to rootstocks and then was allowed to grow out considerably. Loving a mystery myself, and since they cost nothing ($10 for the lot), l grabbed 'em hoping to figure out what they all were. I'd love to use them to practice grafting if none of them are desirable for growing out. Care to guess?

1. Growing from below the graft. Small leaves, short internodes, many many short, straight thorns. Attractive small bushy tree. Feel like this one has to be identifiable.

2.Can't see a graft line here, but this is growing from very close to the soil line. Large petioles. Was growing in the same pot as #1, which was a graft (?!)

3. Also growing from close to soil line, but can't see a graft. Possible that the graft was above, where it has been cut. Narrow, long leaves. Not much petiole to speak of but more than, say, a meyer lemon. Leaves orange scented.

4. This one appears to maybe be growing from below a graft, there is a slight bulge in the trunk above. Completely thornless. Petioles are moderately long but not winged. Leaves lemon scented.

Citrus General Discussion / ID this orange?
« on: April 12, 2018, 09:37:21 PM »
I picked up one of these oranges in a Latin supermarket a month ago, hoping to find some seeds to use for practice rootstocks. But when I opened it at home, it was definitely a sweet orange. The PLU code is for "small navel", but this fruit had 8-10 viable seeds. The cotyledons are quite rounded. The sign also says "product of D.R" but you can't really trust that if the sign and PLU are wrong.

At this point I'm just curious. What kind of orange is this? Just a small, discolored Valencia? I'm just not an expert on orange types since I usually stick to growing citrus fruit that I can't buy in the grocery store.

Will do!

Wish I could, but can't make the road trip anytime soon. Let me know if you're ever traveling to the Triangle, I'll lighten your load of potted citrus.  :)

I don't have any seedlings right now, just started one yesterday though, in hopes of using prunings from this for a graft.

Thanks all, seems like a consensus. When should the new leader be cut back to encourage branching?

An avocado (Day) that was shipped to me lost two branches in shipping, leaving the tree terribly lopsided. Do I need to trim that large branch down to the buds near the trunk? Or even more drastically than that? Will this thing ever recover? It looks like the Charlie Brown Christmas tree to me. I can get a refund or replacement, but I'd like to also help this tree have the best life it can. Any suggestions welcome.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« on: February 28, 2018, 10:40:00 AM »
I wrote to Harris, who replied that they will have some in the future. Guess I have to be patient.

I'd also be curious to hear how they are growing for everyone. Seems like I've heard multiple folks say it's one of the tastiest citrus they have had. But 8-10 years is a long time to get the fruit quality up. Not sure I'm THAT patient. Those who love them, how old are your trees?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« on: February 28, 2018, 09:10:39 AM »
I really would like to have a Xie Shan but can't find trees being sold anywhere. Has anyone seen them in stock at all online?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus Growers Forum
« on: February 21, 2018, 09:17:57 PM »
So interesting. And looks like a lot of very useful info there. I wonder what ever happened with this:

Wow, wish our Costco did citrus! All we ever get is blueberries, Japanese maples, evergreen shrubs, and a million azaleas.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Air-Pot question
« on: February 20, 2018, 08:12:21 PM »
Hmm, looking at the rootmaker pots, they looked familiar...turns out I have a 3gal one in my stack of empty pots. I thought it was something that one of my aquatic plants came in. I wonder what I should put in it, one of my smaller citrus, or a smaller avocado or mango tree?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: February 18, 2018, 06:49:00 PM »
Hi all,

I'm mainly a container grower of tropical fruit. I have a long-lived lemon tree, and recently expanded my citrus to include limes and mandarins. I'm also expecting delivery of avocado, mango, and coffee trees next month. I also grow pineapple from store fruit, and have a couple of types on banana plants. This year I am experimenting with zone pushing hardy citrus. I love trying new things and growing my own food. Happy spring!

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