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Everything is looking great.  What was the reason for the heavy prune on Reed?  Just getting too tall for your space?

Hi Brad, nice to hear from you.  Thank for the kind words.  I just hope the trees can survive the winter and produce.  I always enjoy following your posts.  All the best.

I also figure I might as well post updated pics of the three Avocado trees I transplanted to the front yard earlier (either this year or late last -- somehow I can't recall).  They had a hard go early on, but they've recovered well through the summer.  I hope they can weather the winter and come through next Spring to set (and hold) a lot of fruit.  Each tree has fruited a bit previously while in pots, but they dropped all fruit after the transplant this Spring.

I'm sorry to hear about your losses.  That's a real bummer.  It's usual the cold that gets them not the heat.  I thought you were going to use Surround or something like that to protect the plants?  I still have a bunch if you want some.  Here's an updated set of pics from this morning (10/3/2019).  I recently top-dressed everything with worm-castings from my warm farm (mainly fed coffee-grinds).

Pinkerton (gets the most sunlight):

Sir Prize:

Holiday, drooping as always:


Lamb-Hass (the best looking of the bunch):

Lamb-Hass Close-up:

Holiday Close-up:

Hi Kris, sure I do.  I've been babying them all season, though they really didn't set any viable fruit this round.  But as is the usual, the trees look best about this time of year before the cold snaps hit.  I'll aim to take some pictures of the five RootBuilder bound trees to show their progress.  Their size is impressive, on most (ignoring the weeping Holiday).  How are your trees fairing?

Yes.  I need to find a good source for seeds.  The random seeds from store bought avocados I've attempted to sprout have been hit and miss.  I'd like to get healthy, grafted (to ideal seed/rootstock) Duke, Aravaipa, and maybe one of Joe's "Lynn's Cold Hardy Hass" specials.  I have a couple spots reserved in a raised bed for these candidates.  It would be great to not have to fret so much each winter with the C9 lights and thermal mass heat dispersion assists.

Yeah, I had extra cutting and thought I'd try.  I've heard with air-layering that it's possible, but grafting is the only "sure way" to propagate avocado.

Hi Brad, it's the same plants you see in the two images above in the blue bags. I was just trying to increase humidity.  I've never managed to get an avocado cutting to root with this method.  Works great for Fig, stone fruits, olives, and sometimes blueberries though.  I'm sure someone has a more sophisticated method for rooting avocado cuttings that works with a greater than 0% success rate.

Nice to see some success in my area. I'm actually pretty close to some GIANT duke's in oroville.
Did you plant in a mound or directly at ground level? I know standing water is a huge issue out here.
Joe, excellent and extremely interesting (and to me) important work that you've presented.  I've been on a similar, if less sophisticated and successful, quest to successfully grow avocados here in Sacramento (Roseville suburb), where we often see the wild temp drops, particularly with these artic inversions we've been getting of late.  I came upon the Duke story (and even held dialogue with it its progenitor and others related to it).  I've made several trips to Oroville to take cuttings and search for seeds.  I've only found one half-eaten avocado from in my visits.  The 2nd set of cuttings I took were grafted onto 2 or 3 box store 5G trees I purchased.  The trees were not healthy due to the winter they withstood, and wild several of the grafts took, the trees ultimately died.  I'm now banking on my Fuerte, Mexicola, and Bacon to survive the transplant I just subjected them to in my front yard.  These trees just produced their first fruit (the Mexicola was excellent) last year.  I had them in large ~50-gal containers for 5+ years.

At any rate, I'll be following your work very closely.

Thanks for sharing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Reed avocado thread
« on: May 20, 2019, 03:44:29 PM »
If you want to slow down your Reed by defoliating it which deprives it of food and it's getting you what you want, OK.  My Reed is also very vigorous but I control that with pruning, an application or two of Bonzi, a plant growth regulator, which if done during mid bloom increases fruit set and size according to field studies.  A tree without fruit will be vigorous with more vegetation.

My Reed is now in mid bloom and 2 months late.  At least the bees and other pollinators finally found it.  We had a helluva flush of wildflowers in Texas this spring which I think side tracked pollinators.  I also think my two applications of potassium sulphate and Solubor helped initiate the blooming response earlier this year.  Here it is last month.  It has hit the top of the greenhouse roof since then and is wider.  3 leaders/trunks, about 3" in girth, after freezing back to a stub Jan. 2018.

Hi Mark, I'm curious where you source your "Bonzi" (is it Paclobutrazol)?  I looked for some a while back for my side-yard project, but I couldn't find an accessible source for a suburban consumer.

Also, I want to point out that Surround is damn near impossible to remove.  It's withstood direct hosing, several inches of sustained rain, wind, squirrels...  I think my biggest issue with it is that aesthetically, it's really a bummer.  I'm surprised I'm as affected by the looks of it as I am.  It's also irritating the way Anakin describes sand and dust at the end of some prequel or another.  Other than that, the only thing to note is the Holiday is the most insipid of the bunch, while the Lamb Hass the most robust and strengthy, that despite probably getting the least light.

And here's a pictorial update from earlier this morning.  We've been having unseasonably cool weather with a lot of Spring rains this past week.  The trees seem to be happy enough.  In order, I have Lamb Hass, Stewart, Holiday, Sir Prize, and Pinkerton.

Here's an update with some pics from the first of the month (5/1/2019).  In order, I have Lamb Hass (2x), Stewart, Holiday, Sir Prize (2x), and Pinkerton (2x).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 18, 2019, 09:30:34 PM »
Good question.  I've never really drank Kombucha, and I have a brew in my kitchen now that's about 3 weeks in.  I don't like sugary drinks, so I'm going for a very acidic "brew."  I have peach trees that often suffer from leaf curl, despite my best efforts to protect against it in the off season.  A person I met recently selling eggs from the backyard chickens told me they improved their greatly blighted peach tree with a few foliar treatments of Kombucha (actually you only want some low ration to water due to its high acidity).  She said after spraying the leaf curl leaves dropped off and new growth quickly replaced the leaves.  I've sprayed once with the juice she brought over, and I might try a few more once my personal brew is complete.  The trees I sprayed are looking great, but I haven't yet fully examined them in terms of the leaf curl.  It's been raining here lately, so it will be interesting to see to what extent this helps.  I also question how this compares to the EM-1 treatments, which I believe are a different type of bacteria (aerobic + yeast for Kombucha SCOBY vs. anaerobic lactic for the EM-1).  Will treatment from both be optimal, conflicting, overkill?  I don't know.  This is just an somewhat easier to produce substitute to the compost teas I usually brew.  It's very difficult to find scientific results to weigh all these "natural" home remedy type options.  At least with the Kombucha plan, I get some taste probiotic drinks to enjoy as a side-effect.

A quick search on the topic found this site.  I guess there are others trying to monetize along these lines.  Absolutely no affiliation of course:

That's incredible.  How long did it take for them to build up that mound?  On the plus side, they're shading your PVC and manifold (I just had to replace mine).  Also, that "red-brown" dirt looks fine as coffee grinds.  How can you put it to use?!?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 13, 2019, 01:01:52 AM »
At it's current 10-day-in state, it's reading ~3.8.  I've got some poor man's fertigation setup.  I'll stick to the recommended ratios.  I'm hoping this and the kombucha sprays can stand-in for my regular, compost tea brews that I haven't had time to get to this Spring.  Thanks.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 13, 2019, 12:04:56 AM »
Brad, I've got loads of Idle heat mats.  I'll double up, and get those bugs breeding.  Did/do you stick with the recommended 1/128 ratio for foliar and/or soil-drench (i.e. 1-ounce activated EM-1 per gallon of water)?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 12, 2019, 11:23:55 AM »
Hi Brad, we've been lucky up here in the Sacramento Valley this Spring to not hit summer early this year.  It's been great weather, and I'm sure that's helping with the survival rate of my three transplants.  The one that is flushing is pushing out leaves (~1" in size currently) on all its branch terminus.  There are buds showing along the branch, but no growth as of yet.  I think that tree will be fine.  The middle tree, has a handful of similar flushes, but the majority of its branches have yet to wake up.  The 3rd tree, has only one such flushing branch.  The trees are definitely shocked to more or less extent from the transplant.  Like I said, I think/hope they'll recover, and they have the ghastly surround to protect most branches.

On a brighter note, my sideyard project avocado trees are all looking great, having dropped their old leaves somewhat simultaneously with pushing out new growth -- lots of fresh, happy leaves there.  Good munchies for leaf-hoppers that are taking over too, so I need to do something about that soon.

On a separate note, I purchased a bottle of TeraGanix EM-1 from Amazon, and I have it "fermenting" or activating in a large container (air tight) right now.  Has anyone used this product for soil drench or foliar spray.  I'd be curious to hear how it's worked on fruit trees and/or vegetable gardens.  Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 11, 2019, 01:49:02 PM »
Hi, yes, I know we discussed it before (the leaf drop phenomenon), I was just curious to what extent Mark is seeing this on his Greenhouse trees.  I do remember the original conversation.  It's kind of top of mind for me this year, since the three previously potted trees that have always dropped most leaves for me, now transplanted, are dropping all leaves, and I have yet to see new growth on 2 of the 3.  This is different from before where there was an immediate if not concurrent flush of new growth contemporaneous to the leaf dropping period.  I owe the difference this year to the shock of transplanting the mature trees from their large pots -- many roots were tore asunder in the process.  I hold faith the trees will recover in time and push out the new growth they sorely require to shield them (though I have sprayed surround) through the scorching summer heat here.  Sorry to be a bit forgetful seeming in my posts.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 10, 2019, 02:20:23 PM »
Lovely pic Mark.  Question, do you see heavy leaf drop in the Spring (or after post-winter seasonal warming) on your Avocado trees?  My outdoor trees seem to drop nearly 100% of their leaves over several months going into the Spring/Summer.  If they're happy, the put on new leaves and branching shoots to replace those, but there's a good period of time where the trees are brought down to a skeleton of itself.  Scary on a number of levels.

I'll pile on.  Everything looks great there Mark.  I'll post an update to my side-yard avocado project soon with updated pics.  The five avocados along the fence line seem to be doing well.  1 of 3 of my front-yard, now Surrounded, tree should make it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 02, 2019, 12:28:26 AM »
That's not a bad idea (the surround painting idea).  I tried to spray my front-yard trees with surgical application, but it ended up getting everywhere and on everything within 10 feet.  It looks pretty terrible (especially all over the wood-chips), so I'm thinking about washing it away (if that works).  I think I would have been better off just painting the trees as originally suggested.  I do see how this stuff could work well in a situation where aesthetics were of no concern.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 01, 2019, 05:39:39 PM »
Great.  PM me before one of these weekends.  If the weather is good, chances are I'll be out in the yard working the "field."

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 01, 2019, 03:31:55 PM »
Sure Kris.  I just purchased two bags to help with shipping.  If you want to split the price, you're welcome to one of the 25lb bags.  It would be nice to meet you and visit sometime.  You ever get into placer county?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 01, 2019, 02:13:46 PM »
Wise suggestions Brad.  I'll try and take is slow and perform "micro-coats", particularly on the branches, doing my best to limit  exposure on the leaves (if that's possible).  Here are some updated pics of my front-yard trees (2 of 3).  One of the three seems to be recovering and pushing out new growth (last set of pics), however the first two are still struggling.  I've no sense of new growth, and one has very yellow limbs showing.  :(

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