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Pouteria 'Ross', campechiana, viridis and lucuma (if good varieties) are what I'm seeking for now.

Hello JSea,
that's great to hear :D
Are you visiting China or the Himalaya region or do you know a botanical garden in your area that has them?
Definitely keep us updated on the progress. If you're able to aquire seeds, I'd love to buy some from you :)

It's from a botanic garden quite a few hours away. I'm also close to the Southern limit of loquat growth here so will also keep an eye out for very tough trees dealing with hard frosts.

They charge 122 EUR for shipping one packet of seeds to New Zealand, excluding phyto certificates. I've received seeds from other reputable European seed suppliers for 5 EUR~ postage, which were inspected by our border agents and allowed in fine. I have asked why the shipping cost is so high, but have yet to receive a reply. They claim we have strict requirements for seed entry into NZ, but I don't think clean seed labelled with scientific name, and packet declares contents as 'Seed for sowing' are very strict at all, but rather the bare minimum...

I may be able to get some seed of E. hookeriana - but not any time soon, probably next year. I'll also keep an eye out for any loquats growing at their Southern limit here.

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB - kaki seeds
« on: June 18, 2020, 09:18:23 PM »
I'll send you a PM :)

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / WTB - kaki seeds
« on: June 17, 2020, 06:46:58 PM »
Any seeds with a parent of Tsurunoko, Maru or Hyakume I would be very interested in, other varieties as well. :)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Holboellia latifolia
« on: May 26, 2020, 07:18:56 PM »
I have not heard of this Genus before, but it's in the Lardizabalaceae family (e.g. Decaisnea, Stauntonia) - in which the fruits are often a little bit lacking in flavour. Stauntonia can take up to 18 months to germinate as well, so perhaps have patience for them to germinate - they may have entered secondary dormancy if not planted immediately.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Gevuina nuts and Embothrium
« on: May 20, 2020, 12:58:34 AM »
They want the phosphorus to be inorganic ,bound to iron or aluminum.
Give them phosphates from fertiliser and its no wonder you get 80% death rate.

Macadamias are very easy to keep alive here, they are more difficult to kill! I don't think Macadamias are intolerant to fertilizer, they are commonly fertilized here by home gardeners and don't suffer any issues. Gevuina on the other hand - is susceptible to root rot problems very easily. This is separate to poor uptake of Phosphorus.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Gevuina nuts and Embothrium
« on: May 19, 2020, 07:49:10 PM »
They have specialised roots that can acces phosphorus thats locked and thats not available for otther plants.
This is not their roots that are specialized, it's mycorrhizal fungi that can access this phosphorus on behalf of the tree.

Gevuina its rare in Chile,its native habitat where most people there never heard about it.
Macadamia is soo common that i wouldnt bother to grow since i live in a cold climate and if i keep a tree in my greenhouse then it must be a rare tree.
I also think that Gevuina its more beautifull as an ornamental than macadamia and i know that macadamia was just an ornamental tree not too long ago when the nuts were not toght to be edible.

Hmmm okay, I think I prefer a bucket of nice easy to eat food than a pretty tree. ;) But I will keep posted about progress with Gevuina selections here as I'll be helping some friends with this. I think we've already selected stronger plants here if 80% died already.

Would you consider also shipping seed? I'd be interested in the goumi and jujube if possible.

I have heard of several forum members that have lost their dreams to cold at much
higher temps then 19F. Just a reminder there are factors to consider on cold nights.
We were 29F one morning last year and there was no frost and minimal damage to
any trees. There was a very strong wind all night. A couple years ago we had a 30F night
and I had allot of damage to leaves on several trees. Another big factor is length of time
the tree is exposed to cold. I know one person said his dream died at 25 or 26F one night.

Of course - there are many more factors than just genetics to frost tolerance :) But I think it sounds like good genetics.

The leaves are not significantly thicker than other Cherimoya.
I have a few Dream tree’s in the ground and no luck with them being self pollinating here in Nor Cal.
Still no fruits after a bunch of years they’ve flowered.
I tried a self pollinating one in Hawaii and delicious fruit.

Okay good to hear.

Your zone A sounds good for avocados - those listed species are roughly indicator species for avocado in NZ (although also we usually find ornamental bananas in areas that have avocados fruiting).

The zone B is perhaps too 'continental' of a climate (i.e. temperates go both too cold and too hot, and summer is too dry) to really let avocados thrive, but I didn't check the specifics - and these problems can usually be overcome with effort/expense.

How thick are the leaves of 'Dream' versus other cherimoyas? There are many hints that there's something special with this variety (the cold tolerance, the relative lack of seeds, that it fruits reliably without hand-pollination, that I've heard it's a bit difficult to graft but does better on its own offspring). I'm wondering if the leaves are approximately 50% thicker than a normal cherimoya - this would indicate a ploidy difference ;)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Quince Loquat
« on: May 19, 2020, 12:14:40 AM »
I suspect if it has been tried, it's very rarely. Usually they are in flower at quite different times of year no? Pollen would need to be stored in the fridge for a few weeks I think.
Apparently they're not as closely related and it's already difficult to hybridize between Eriobotrya and Raphiolepis - I would imagine Cydonia to be much further away.

My gut feeling is that the false quinces, Chaenomeles and Pseudocydonia, are more likely to yield hybrids, as they share more characteristics such as semi-evergreen-ness - if I had the pollen handy I'd give it a go (I have some young plants of both at my parent's place that could be used).

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Gevuina nuts and Embothrium
« on: May 17, 2020, 05:32:16 PM »
I've seen a number of Gevuina trees in NZ. Most people with a number of trees had a high death rate, 80% from the two I know personally. I can understand one site - as it was clay soil (but a slope). But the other was reasonably good volcanic/alluvial soil and still 8/10 trees died. I've also seen two trees growing on very sandy deep soil, and they seemed very happy - although much shrubbier with many suckers (I think I read something about sandy soil encouraging suckering behaviour for many plant species). The consensus from growers is always the same - not worth growing Gevuina if you can grow Macadamia. I have yet to meet anyone who can't grow Macadamia (they're a lot tougher than many people think), although I have started to gather some Gevuina plants and seeds to pass down to more Southern locations where Macadamia may not grow.
The other consensus is that they have a strong requirement for the correct mycorrhizal fungi - without these there is an 'empty slot' that is easily be utilized by pathogens.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: February 28, 2018, 02:16:36 AM »
Hi Folks,

I'm from the West coast of New Zealand and am planning a decent sized agroforestry block. The tricky part is that our climate there is kind of halfway between temperate and subtropical. It's too wet and doesn't quite get cold enough to be temperate, but it's also not warm enough and I've heard there are occasional frosts so it's not really subtropical either! I won't be able to plant anything for a while, but I'm really keen to learn about what's available, and all the cool plants from overseas. I'm right now interested in plants like Inga, and want to get into breeding plants later.

I'm especially keen to hear form anyone with a similar climate (approximately 2 meters of rain annually, spread evenly, and temperatures mostly between 8 and 22 degrees) - e.g. I think central coastal Chile is similar.

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