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So at Thanksgiving we did a taste testing with 4 varieties and the hands down winner was the Okitsu followed by the Owari then kishu and last was the miyagawa. This was the first season for both the okitsu and miyagawa fruiting. So thats a great sign for the Okitsu as it was the clear winner for everyone who tried it which was 12 people.

New Years I will be tasting an early picked Dekopon, Early picked Tango, Tahoe Gold, Cara Cara and Honey,

Then in Spring it will be all the golds- tahoe, shasta and nugget (no fruit this year on yosemite - will fruit this spring) and tango.

Next season I will be adding to the taste testing Yosemite, Moro, Xie Shan, Lee x Nova,

How were your taste testing Yosemite, Moro, Xie Shan, Lee x Nova?

I tried the tango and gold nuggets this week and they still need more time still to acidic for my tastes. The Tahoe and Shasta were very good and I think the shasta's will be better next month along with the tango and GN's. Still waiting until March to try my dekopon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tasting
« on: February 21, 2021, 02:21:13 PM »
bringing fruit isnt a requirement, it would just help because I have plenty of hass fruits but not a ton of the other varieties.  my sir prize is pretty loaded up and I have a few jan boyce, sharwil, green gold, hellen, pinkertons, gwen, fuerte we can sample too.  if the group is smaller there should be more than enough.  Around 30 people or less would be good.

Im not doing the facebook thing, too many randoms.  i didnt think there would be that many interested.  wrong.
I'm on that FB group as well. If I didn't just start a new job I would be down for that but maybe next season when I will have some avocado's to contribute.

Is there a bigger mandarin than a Sumo/ Dekopon ?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf avocado
« on: February 17, 2021, 10:05:22 AM »
Isn't one of the Hasses a small tree?  I think it's Gwen.

Yes Gwen and Reed are smaller trees growing to 15 feet. But Wurtz is considerably a smaller tree, I have all 3 of these.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Honey Bees galore
« on: February 08, 2021, 09:23:43 AM »
Here is a short video clip of the bees that have been on my nectarine tree all week. You can hear them n the video.

Yes, I read that from your reviews. What was the other mandarin varieties that you tasted?
Your environment may be better than mine for the Okitsu. Next time I order more scions, I will need to try the Okitsu again.

I do notice that the taste of some satsumas get much better (sweeter) when you leave the fruit ripe on the tree longer, I may have been tasting mine to soon. My brother has many satsumas trees as well and he just leaves his fruit ripe on the tree. It stays ripe for  a few months and gets sweeter than mine. I don't care for the fruit when the flesh gets to soft even though it is sweeter.
My okitsu's taste great at Thanksgiving and never last much past that time but I'm sure they would taste even better in December. I usually eat my Owari's around Christmas time. And yes they do get better over time as true with most mandarins.

I hear/read a few different reviews, some people say it tastes good, others say its average.
I'm pretty sure I grafted/fruited both the Okitsu wase(389) and Miyagawa(612) but it was a while ago and if I liked the taste it would still be on my trees. I didn't find any of my old grafts of either so if I remember correctly, the fruits looked like the photos in citrus variety collection and it was bland, not much sweetness, similar to all those China Satsuma on their list so I got rid of the branches.

My okitsu's are really good tasting and I had everyone sample 5 different varieties of mandarins on Christman day and the okitsu won hands down.

If the gage of which citrus taste the best, is determined by total wins in citrus taste contests, then it would be Xie Shan.
I have also read that Okitsu has been a winner in the recent past have you read that too ?

This article was from 2014 below,also%20noted%20its%20fragrant%20skin.


So guess Sumo will be 1+, and Ponkan will be 1-?  Satsuma will be 3+?

I've had my Gold Nuggets in March but they are usually gone by then but I've tasted some of my friends who has a orchard in May and they were delicious. I've heard they hold well into as late as July.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Shonans gold
« on: February 04, 2021, 11:40:00 AM »
I found this info.

Shonan-gold' was selected and produced from a cross between 'Ogon-kan' (Citrus flaviculpus hort ex.Tanaka) and Satsuma mandarin cv. 'Imamura Unshiu' (Citrus unshiu Marc.) in 1988. As a point of almost same tree and fruit characteristics, it was considered as nucellar seedling of 'Ogon-kan' . It was registered as 'Shonan-gold' in 2003. The tree is vigorous upright-growing and has tiny thorns in the young stage, but thorns disappear and the tree attitude is gradually spreading with the year. If young trees are left untreated, there is a long period before fruit bearing. Therefore, it is very important to train lateral branches to open early. It is productive but with tendency to heavy alternate bearing. It is effective to enlargement of fruit size by fruit thinning in July. Fruits size are larger than that of 'Ogon-kan' , averaging about 11%, The fruit shape is globose. The rind is moderately smooth, thin, yellowish color and readily peelable . Flesh is very tender and juicy, flavor is pleasant, and aromatic similar to 'Ogon-kan' . The fruit contains few seeds. The fruit matures in April and good taste is kept from April to May. Planting of 'Shonan-gold' should be restricted to the windless and warmer coastal regions in winter because of its very late harvesting as on April.

I have 2 more dekopon fruit I'm leaving on the tree until March. I'm doing the same with my Shasta and Tahoe Golds, my Tango's and then comparing them with my Gold Nuggets side by side in March.

The rings. On most trees there is an inner plastic ring. These are edging pieces from Home Depot that you attach to each other. The outer rings are poured concrete. The inner rings are mainly for when the trees are young. The outer rings were to keep the gardener from hitting the trees with the weed wacker.
Both rings are for more efficient watering and fertilization. When one waters their trees without especially the inner circle very little of the water goes straight down into the earth but when you have that circle and the bottom of the plastic is inserted into the earth a little bit then the water and liquid fertilizer goes straight down into the ground near the rootball. You can water or fertilize 100 young trees perfectly in a very short time this way. In the next few days I’ll make a short video of my fertilization technique. Over the years I use this technique to “push” my young trees to grow. This technique never causes burning and 100% of the liquid complete fertilizer is utilized. You can fertilize every week or bi weekly or monthly just simply by changing the concentration. And I push the young trees hard till they’ve been in the ground for 3 full years. And any fruit on those trees before the complete end of year 3 is picked off when tiny and thrown on the ground so that all energy goes into the wood so the tree can get big and strong for year 4 production.
So I’ll make the video soon and put it here. I use a 9-3-6 complete fertilizer with all the micros.

So the 4 year mark includes avocados as well as mangos ?

I tried growing many of your California avocado varieties and they all had problems in Miami. Your collection is the best of the best and I wish we could grow your nectarines too. Have any of your citrus contracted greening. In Miami all citrus gets sick in 5 years from greening so it’s futile. Nothing like having your own Key Lime tree for every glass of soda or water.
Congrats on your beautiful garden and fantastic video.
no greening knock on wood. you gave me ideas for my front yard lol. now if I could only talk my wife into letting my take out my Japanese maple trees and put fruit trees in their place :)

I have 15 varieties of avocado on approximately 32 trees and that includes Hass Carmen and the vc801 Catalina Semil 34 Miguel Lula Pollack Simmons Donnie Nishikawa Oro Negro Wilson Propenoe Monroe and Maluma
its very impressive. here is my little yard lol.




wow thats impressive ! how many avocado trees and varieties do you have ?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Inground citrus fertilizer
« on: January 24, 2021, 08:57:23 PM »
Once the citrus tree is full size it doesn't need a ton of nitrogen.  Some of you guys are nitrogen freaks.  Using jacks and spraying urea totally overkill here, my trees are green and healthy with just mulch and occasional chicken manure and maybe some citrus fertilizer (8-6-8 with micros) and handful of 0-0-22

This last year it was just mulch and chicken poop and very little if any bag fertilizer, trees were loaded up so much branches are hanging down and bending to the point of almost broken.
Thats what I heard from Tom Spellman who works with UC Davis , Riverside and other places and speaks at those venues.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: January 24, 2021, 07:42:29 PM »
Cool, I grew up in Stockton.  We never had avocados but we grew a lot of citrus and peaches.  Pistachios there are super good too, if they would grow here I'd be all about those.
I also have 22 different citrus varieties and 12 different stonefruit varieties. I did a video tour of my yard in 4 parts. I've updated this video and have added other fruit trees and removed some as well. first video is 4/20 and the 2nd one was just taken

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: January 24, 2021, 07:37:38 PM »
Cool, I grew up in Stockton.  We never had avocados but we grew a lot of citrus and peaches.  Pistachios there are super good too, if they would grow here I'd be all about those.
I also have 22 different citrus varieties and 12 different stonefruit varieties. I did a video tour of my yard in 4 parts. I've updated this video and have added other fruit trees and removed some as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: January 24, 2021, 06:42:04 PM »
sir prize is very productive but the tree is pretty weak.  Same with holiday.  holidays are kind of worthless IMO.  i know there are people that like it but theres better options personally I wouldnt propogate it.  Too bad they sell it home depot and people waste time growing it.

Here is what I'm growing now

Stewart/Stuart depending on who you are talking to lol

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: January 24, 2021, 06:10:20 PM »
that is a small seed.  sir prize also has a ver good seed to flesh ratio and has a soft melting flesh similar to JB.

the 2 trees that did not do well for me were a holiday that died and a sir prize I gave to my son in law and it died.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: January 24, 2021, 05:05:20 PM »
wow Brad that has to be the smallest seed I have ever seen in an avocado

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: January 24, 2021, 10:37:50 AM »
when they are young/tender plants they need protection from the cold until they are established. if outdoors like that they need to be covered and even place some christmas lights on them for additional warmth and some mulch. I would also mound them when planting.

check out your local nursery but if not usually costco . home depot or lowes will carry Owari and Okitsu. I picked up both of those varieties from costco and I've seen them at home depot.

What satsuma's have you tried that you like ?

I would go with whatever one you prefer.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Inground citrus fertilizer
« on: January 22, 2021, 09:21:09 AM »
I was listening to a Tom Spellman(Dave Wilson Nursery) video on youtube where he was a guest speaker and recommended a much lower ( by triple) nitrogen over the P,P in the NPP ratio. 

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