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Temperate Fruit & Orchard Online Library / Cyclopedia of Hardy Fruits
« on: March 17, 2018, 03:24:04 PM »
I came across this pdf.  Seems like a good reference for some older clones that are now sometimes pretty obscure:


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kesusu (Prainea limpato) Germination
« on: March 11, 2018, 02:30:46 PM »
A word of caution -- if you planting these somewhere where rats have access to them, rats love the seeds.  A couple of years ago, I planted some seeds (along with a number of other seeds) in my greenhouse.  Rats immediately dug up all the kesusu and didn't touch anything else.



Is it mangga Kweni (Mangifera odorata Griffith) ?

Nice done with durian ! Is it true that red durian (Durio oxleyanus) from montain area can survive up to 0°C ?

That fruit above doesn't look like kuini I have had.  I suspect it might be M. pajang?

Pictures of D. oxleyanus are green to maybe bronzey-green.  If it is red, is it maybe D. dulcis? (or red flesh, D. graveolens?)


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia morella fruits.
« on: March 03, 2018, 12:51:54 AM »
Thanks for the report.  Do you know if that is typical for the species or does it vary?


Thanks for posting this, Alexandre.  If I had heard it before, I had forgotten it.  I've got a wet spot that might be a good spot to throw some more abiu in.



Yes, they live inside the forest with lots of humidity, and they exist in swampy places, especially in the Amazon.

Have you seen these grow in wet/flooded areas?

That is a great find, thanks for posting.  Maybe the moderators will want to move it to the library section so it will be easier to find for reference in the future?


To add to Jon's list, above, there are a few Artocarpus species are not well known outside of the Philippines, A. blancoi ("antipolo"),  A. cumingiana ("anubing"), A. treculianus ("tipuho").  Info seems kind of sketchy on them but antipolo seems to be eaten as a vegetable.  References say tipuho is eaten but I am not sure if it is as a fruit or vegetalble; the leaves are evidently used to wrap food.   I did not come across any info on how anubing is used (food-wise) but I believe that the seeds of all Artocarpus are edible.  I suspect that at least one of these species is here in Hawaii as the Filipino farmers sometimes sell an immature green Artocarpus here that resembles a breadfruit.

Garcinia binucao, that Jon mentioned above, is also known as "batuan".  That was the common name I came across for it when I had been researching Philippine fruits for a potential trip.

When I was comprising a spreadsheet of Philippine fruit, I came up with something like 70+ species (including some found only on Palawan) but I do not know how common some of these are or how good the fruit is.  I also did not reach the point of finding common names for most of them.  So, there are plenty of fruit options there...

If you do a search for "Co's Digital Flora of the Philippines", you'll find a wealth of info on species that occur there & on which islands they are found.



Ok, you are both right. Salak is not found naturally in most of the Philippines but S. ramosiana is found in Palawan.  The flora of Palawan more closely resembles that of Borneo than that of the rest of the Philippines.  Reports are sketchy but it sounds like it is a species worth looking at further for its fruit.  I looked into a trip to Palawan earlier but it sounds like getting seeds out legally might be "complicated".

S. ramosiana is called "Paratungon". Quite sour though, like rattan

I guess I had forgotten the common name.  According to an article in Agribusiness (July 24, 2013), it reports some varieties of paratungon are "sweet and acidic" so it sounds like there may be some more useful varieties.

I've been told there is great Salak. My friend brought me some seeds and two made the journey. Most were taken from her. From what I can tell it is different than my three varieties.
Contrary to some reports indicating the abundance of salak in the Philippines, that fruit is nowhere to be found here. It's unheard of although rattan fruits which bear some resemblance to it is quite ubiquitous.

Ok, you are both right. Salak is not found naturally in most of the Philippines but S. ramosiana is found in Palawan.  The flora of Palawan more closely resembles that of Borneo than that of the rest of the Philippines.  Reports are sketchy but it sounds like it is a species worth looking at further for its fruit.  I looked into a trip to Palawan earlier but it sounds like getting seeds out legally might be "complicated".


It's really sad to see that sort of vandalism.  Not to diminish this incident, but we had some really nasty vandalism here on the big island several years back where papaya orchards were being attacked and farms suffered losses ranging from hundreds to thousands of papaya trees.  I had to drive by one of these farms down in Puna -- it was a horrible sight and was really disturbing.  There were all sorts of rumors at the time from competitors to family issues to environmental wackos (some of the papaya here is genetically modified); I'm not sure these cases were ever solved.  Hopefully, they'll get the person(s) responsible for this one.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Gnetum species
« on: February 21, 2018, 06:51:06 PM »
ForestHouse, Cameroon generally has G. africanum and bulchozianum seeds in season.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good keledang and safu
« on: February 21, 2018, 12:25:45 AM »
Hey Mike, give us a taste review after you try that safou.  I'd be interested in your thoughts on it.  Info seems to be sketchy on a lot of those African fruits.


Congratulations!  Thanks for posting about it.  I hoped to try it when in Bali but missed the season.  Glad to see your report.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: wanted : Mammea americana
« on: February 08, 2018, 03:57:26 PM »
Oscar (Fruitlovers) generally has these in season.  Montoso (in Puerto Rico) has also had them in the past but I am not sure if these trees were severely damaged in the hurricane so would be best to check with them.

Pondoh is from central Java (not the amboinensis form) so should be dioecious.  Basically, anything other than the amboinensis form of S. zalacca is supposed to be dioecious.


All of this seems like a non-issue, it doesn't seem like we need more subdivisions.  If you are annoyed that some posters don't list their region, that is another matter & maybe it should get added to requirements to post.

I have a lot of bitches with international sales & I am sure I have been burnt a lot worse than you.  I don't see that as a reason for more subdivisions.

As for:
"Seems like too many international sellers’ offerings that of no interest to most of us, US residents that do not live in the Tropics. To those that have Green Houses or want to pursue the “Tropical” offerings, they can still do it too."
If this bothers you, why the &*%@ are you on a tropical fruit forum?  (an international one at that)


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trip to Borneo was a success
« on: January 26, 2018, 10:18:38 AM »
Congratulations on the trip, sounds like you must have had a wonderful time!  Good to hear that you were able to collect seeds from some choice varieties.  Good luck with the APHIS folks, hopefully your seeds will breeze through & help increase our fruit diversity here in HI.


No.  "Annona hybrid" is a very general term describing plants produced by cross-pollinating two species of Annona, or even, later on, by cross-pollinating those hybrids with yet other species or with other hybrids, to make "complex Annona hybrids." "Annona hybrid" is not synonimous with "atemoya", as the latter is a sub-category.

Though some authors write "atemoya" in a species name format, "atemoya" is really just a common name.

"Atemoya" is a coined word--- a made-up word.  This word was made by "hybridizing" two words to make a new name for a new type of hybrid plant, which was produced by cross-pollination between "Ate" Annona squamosa and "Cherimoya Annona cherimola, regardless of which species was seed parent or pollen parent.

Similar hybrid words, for other sub-categories of Annona hybrids, include:

"Cherilata", for Annona cherimola  X  Annona reticulata;

"Cherilama", for Annona cherimola  X  Annona diversifolia (The common name for the latter is "ilama".);

"Temoylata", for "Atemoya"  X  Annona reticulata;

"Temoylama", for "Atemoya"  X  Annona diversifolia.

I assumed that these were official accepted names for these hybrids.  So, is there no official body recording registrations of tropical fruit trees?  There are for orchids, roses, rhododendrons, etc.  The convention you mention (combining the names of the two parents) is not uncommon in registering names for these other plants but is not required either.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mammee americana
« on: January 20, 2018, 11:41:22 AM »
The fruit is very different from green sapote so asking which is better is like asking what is better a banana or a salak -- you will get very different opinions depending upon peoples' likes & dislikes.  They are both good fruits but very different -- plant both if you have room.

I have never detected onion in a mamey apple.

Even if you have a few seeds like the one pictured, there is a lot of flesh on these as the fruits are large.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mammee americana
« on: January 20, 2018, 09:45:53 AM »
It is a nice fruit, one of my wife's favorites.  The texture of the flesh is firm, not quite crisp but almost -- very different from most tropical fruits.  Flavor is often compared to apricot and sometimes raspberries.  The ones I have tried have an essence of these fruits but the flavor is not strongly "in your face" of these fruits.  It is worth growing & the seedlings seem to grow pretty vigorously.  Be aware that the seeds are big (but so are the fruits) so shipping may be more expensive.


Just wondering, how strong is the fragrance from this fruit?


When someone makes up a tag like that, it is hard to say what they are trying to convey but I think, more than likely, Oscar is correct in his interpretation.  To elaborate on Oscar's comments:

Species are correctly written like this:  Annona squamosa
naturally occurring hybrids are written like this: Annona xatemoya (if it was a naturally occurring hybrid, I don't believe it is)
manmade hybrids are generally written: Annona Atemoya

People are generally lazy so don't use italics & aren't careful about the case of letters.  I suspect you had a case where someone was trying to show off their knowledge making a tag & just made it more confusing. There aren't whole lot of hybrids (interspecific) in tropical fruit trees so you don't see the terminology too much.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit Berried Treasure
« on: January 17, 2018, 10:54:07 PM »
Just wondering if Micah or Oscar have fruited their berry jack seedlings yet (or anyone else here in HI)?  I tried a google search of the forum but didn't find any posts.  My bigger berry jack seedling is loaded with flowers, I'm hoping it holds a fruit or two this year.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf(ed) nutmeg?
« on: January 10, 2018, 01:06:58 PM »
It is amazing how often articles about plants fail to mention their sexual "states", it can be hard to get a straight story sometimes.  It seems whenever you discuss a plant that is clearly documented as dioecious, someone will chime in about knowing of a single plant somewhere that is bearing fruit.  I don't have the luck to get one of these "fluke" plants, I always plan on planting a few if documented as dioecious.

I've never tried calabash nutmeg (to my knowledge), I know it is used in some African and Caribbean cuisines.  I tried to start it from seeds several years back with no luck, however the seeds may also not have been very fresh.  I do have a couple of seedlings in the orchard that I got locally.  They have been growing slowly but steadily; they might be reaching the point where they will start to speed up. 

I know we are getting further off the topic here (nutmeg) but there is another annonaceous plant where the seed is eaten as a spice (although I think the spice is the pod as much as the seed) -- Xylopia aethiopica.  It is also an African spice.  I don't know if that one would be of interest to you.


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