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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Younghan's" white sapote
« on: June 04, 2020, 03:22:51 AM »
Minor comment, worth a new post for distinction. It's not a possesive 's the name is


the name ends in S

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Younghan's" white sapote
« on: June 04, 2020, 03:21:10 AM »
I wrote Top Tropicals a message since Seymour Younghans and his wife were original founders of the Rare Fruit Council in Miami (1955). This was prior to the whole Rare Fruit Council of South Florida / International chartering thing with Australia and Florida Chapters.

Big thank you to Top Tropicals for correcting their database to reflect the right cultivar ‘YOUNGHANS

"Dear Rare Fruit Council International RFCI Miami
Thank you very much for your correction and information. Originally we got this name from a grower who apparently was unaware of the correct name and the history behind it. Much appreciated!"

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia madronos finally blooming
« on: June 03, 2020, 07:40:38 PM »
madronos are round and bright yellow with prickly skin.

13 years old :'( Any sign of fruit setting? What is the difference between Madruno and Acuminata?!

Garcinia madruno generally has a more roundish shape, there's a few cv. of this documented. Leaves are larger than G. acuminata.

Garcinia acuminata fruit is pointier or acute as per the epithet of this species. I have also seen this referred to as Rheedia bentameriana

Another one of the specimens I found was Rheedia sp. 'Possum 2' / Rheedia acuminata, which was presumably progeny from Bill Whitman's famous charichuela from Iquitos, Peru (1963).

This species can also hybridize with other Garcinia resulting in different colored fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia madronos finally blooming
« on: June 02, 2020, 03:04:37 AM »
Excellent, what color and shape are you expecting? If you know

Nice, on notify.

I am looking for seeds from Venezuela, if anyone has non Caribbean seeds let me know.

Thanks for the special delivery!

Wow, this is amazing!! I'd also be interested in getting a perforated roll if possible. I've actually been looking into buying some Buddy Tape. :)

Thanks so much!!

Interested in pricing of one roll

Just follow the instructions here...
and it will magically appear.

Tropical Fruit Online Library / Re: Genetic Diversity of White Sapote
« on: April 22, 2020, 02:37:42 AM »
Dr. Julia F. Morton’s citation is wrong

Morton, J.F. 1987. White sapote, p. 191–196. Fruits of warm climate. Creative Resource System, Winterville, NC.

The book was notably self published by Julia. Should be Julia Francis Morton, Miami, Florida. Not even via her MORTON COLLECTANEA.

The distributor should not get publishing credit. Similar to the fumble California Rare Fruit Growers published in a recent Annona article. They credited Purdue! ... which simply hosts the book online, as we all know very well. Once again Julia’s self publishing feat goes unnoticed.

Title page replicated here

That’s my point, she did this on her own and the waves are still being felt.

SECOND PLANT LISTED - 04/23/2020 Pseudanamomis umbellulifera, monos plum, Myrtaceae RARE FRUIT seedling



No international, sorry. Shipping via Tropication Rare Plants

I have scarce mature plants but mostly young seedlings. Will sell or trade.

Psidium friedrichsthalianum & P. acutangulum larger.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: who runs Tropicalfruitforum?
« on: April 21, 2020, 06:58:21 PM »
Great recommendation. An SSL certificate shouldn't be too expensive.  8)

This paper by Dr. David Fairchild would be difficult to find because of a typo in the database. I will try to send this to their attention for correction by the FSHS. I am fortunate to have found this via a search of Brosimum in a Vol. of HUNTIA and noticed a citation.

The Ramon Tree Of The Yucatan (Brosimum alicastrym)

Should be

The Ramon Tree Of The Yucatan (Brosimum alicastrum) by Dr. David Fairchild (1945)

I found this interesting.

Edible seeds, leaves and flowers as Maya Super Foods: Function and composition - Armando Cáceres, Sully M. Cruz (2019)

Growing a few seedlings of Brosimum alicastrum. Can trade with anyone wanting to grow it if you have something I am interested... located in Florida. Contact me privately.

"Known as Guaimaso, Mayan breadnut, Ramon, Maseco Native/Origin: Tropical America Fast growing & prolifically fruiting evergreen tree. Thin pericarp edible, sweet. Good timber tree. Intensively cultivated by the ancient Maya. Anthropologists theorize that the Mayans had more time to build temples because, unlike corn, ramon seeds could be stored for food for long periods, without molding. Seeds, which are rich in starch, proteins, & Vitamins A and C, are eaten boiled or roasted, and are said to taste like chestnuts. They may also be toasted, ground, and used as a coffee substitute or ground into flour for tortillas. Genus name means 'edible-one'." - Larry Schokman

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida visit
« on: December 16, 2019, 03:16:41 AM »
The Treasure Coast Rare Fruit Club put together this excellent list with a visual map aide of the top gardens in Florida. I personally helped Larry compile the list and since I am located in Miami the options were plentiful my neck of the woods.

Some more Miami area gardens below (South Dade / Redland / Homestead) included.

Hope this helps.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chirimoya Soursoup hybrid sold in Spain?
« on: December 10, 2019, 06:13:56 AM »
Así es la vida... c’est la vie. Quite funny coming from such a polished culture. My descendants are from Spain, I don’t mean it as an insult. I guess they need more rare fruit education over there.

Unfortunatelly most of the people don't know what they are growing or selling, and very often if they don't have the information, they just tell you anything, in order to give you any reply.

On the other hand, most of the people are not very educated, they only learn from hearing, which leads to many errors and mistakes   :(

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Durian in Florida?
« on: December 04, 2019, 10:48:09 PM »
I was there recently, fairly certain they still have several left, but not like before. They also removed the Langsat tree and one of the mangosteen trees =(

They removed the langsat tree and and a mangosteen from the green house!? Do you know why?

The greenhouse is part of the Science Village / Conservatory. It's known as the Whitman Tropical Fruit Pavilion. The name was recently changed to the Bill & Angela Whitman Fruit Pavilion. -

Has anyone been successful in fruiting durian in Florida? I have seen a few decent size trees at Fairchild tropical gardens, but never seen any fruit. I don't know of any other durian trees here in Florida.

I haven't heard of anyone fruiting it in Florida. I think those durian trees at Fairchild may have all been cut down recently. Anyone can confirm?

The Durian trees remain. The Lansium will be replanted once the marcotts we prepared from Bill Whitman's original 'Conception' are ready for planting. I will personally be helping with this planting alongside other RFCI Miami members.

The Rare Fruit Council Int'l. (RFCI), Miami will be more actively involved volunteering in the "Whitman Pavilion", at the request of Angela Whitman who aside from being a benefactor sits on the board of directors of Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava Grafting (top work)
« on: November 23, 2019, 04:02:04 PM »
Updated the original FSHS PDF since the database was moved to a new URL string.

Methods of Guava Top-Working - S. E. Tamburo, S. John Lynch, Roy O. Nelson 321 - 323 - 1956-06-13

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Chaya seed
« on: September 15, 2019, 02:02:37 AM »
Of the 4 types I am growing ATM, one is a cutting of Dr. David Fairchild's chaya that he grew at The Kampong in Miami's Coconut Grove. The other notable one is from Larry Schokman, I am unaware of where this one came from. The Dr. Fairchild specimen came from Cuba according to my research. It came via the Guthrie family members of The Rare Fruit Council Int'l. (RFCI), Maimi. The 3rd was given to me by a friend in the (SFPS), and the 4th came from our yard. 2 of the 4 have stinging nettles.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Chaya seed
« on: August 18, 2019, 02:25:53 AM »
have 4-5 types right now.

Cnidoscolus aconitifolius cuttings are excellent.

One type is the one Dr. David Fairchild had at The Kampong, saved by fellow RFCI Miami members. Another from Larry Schokman, two more from around town, which both appear to have no stinging nettles.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mystery cherimoya
« on: August 18, 2019, 01:20:13 AM »
Exotica grows what they call Annona cherimola 'La Conchita'

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
« on: August 03, 2019, 01:42:12 AM »
I purchased two Angie from Alex this season that were outstanding. Picked and ripened properly, on the firm side of ripe and made it to the top tier for me. Top tier but not top 10.

Dr. Campbell at Mango Men Homestead also had some outstanding 'Angie' this season as well. Too many people jump to quick conclusions about flavor. Trees may vary right, grower, location, culture etc.? Go Angie!, which was named after Angela Whitman, William “Bill” Whitman’s widow, first President of The Rare Fruit Council intl. in Miami, and one of its founders! It's a good mango...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which Mangos Are Left (Florida)?
« on: July 31, 2019, 01:02:24 AM »
'Edward' at an abandoned house still loaded. Picked 30+

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop juice at Costco
« on: July 24, 2019, 11:40:13 AM »
I haven't bought this one and the label isn't clear if there is added sugar just says pulp. I tried looking up the FDA rules on labeling pulp but they seem to only concentrate on beverages.

The label shows cane sugar as the 3rd ingredient. The first ingredient is filtered water and it’s only 20% juice. Pulp is not doctored so there shouldn’t be a labeling issue. Nectar is where things get fuzzy, PURE juice is not to be confused with this product which is made with only 20% of real juice, water and other ingredients.

Retail juice can be watered down, generally more than nectar which is also sugar laden. I don’t see fructose here, that’s more prevelant in sodas and other tropical fruit drinks.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop juice at Costco
« on: July 22, 2019, 01:32:26 PM »
I’m sure is tastes great.

20% juice / 30 grams of sugar per 8 oz serving.

Ingredients listby quantity

Water, soursop purée, cane sugar, natural flavoring

Let’s not encourage poaching in natural areas. Well said and some alternate options are offered.

You might have better luck trying to contact forum members in Florida to locate the Annona glabra variety "North", which is less likely to have compatibility issues than seedlings removed from the wild


While I appreciate the quest, feel like we shouldn’t be advocating digging up plants from public lands nor private properties without permission...

Grabbing the fruits for seeds seems more reasonable, though I’m sure there are laws discouraging that as well.

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