Also, i'm going to quote clarke's first and second laws here which i think applies very well to this scenario:

1)When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

2)The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

So go for it!

Happy new year everyone!

Quote from: plantlover13 on December 30, 2013, 11:07:07 AM

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Quote from: Radoslav on December 30, 2013, 08:13:36 AM

I think, that growing plants outside their natural range is only economical issue, not technical, nor weather problem.
Theoretically you can simulate any weather or soil conditions, but as I said before, it is question of the budget.
In Iceland you can use thermal water to heat the greenhouse 
In my country, there are some huge commercial greenhouses heated by geothermal energy - hot springs, they grow tomatoes year round there using hydroponic growing.

Indeed, if a proposed geothermal greenhouse expansion project up here goes through, Iceland will export about 6 times more tomatoes than it consumes    And tomatoes have to be at least as cold-sensitive and light-needy as durian. And our greenhouses get a whopping 42 kilograms yield per square meter of production.

Whether things are grown commercially is not so much about whether they're possible but about whether they can turn a profit. They've been growing bananas here since the 30s or so but they're not economical either.

Hate to disagree with you, cause i'm all for the whole try to grow a durian thing, but i really don't think a durian and a tomato can be considered on the same level. Like, not even close. Tomatoes wont die until it gets really close to freezing, they can grow in a wide range of soils, they don't need as much humidity, and i've gotten them to produce in almost lightless areas. So yeah.

Could I get some seeds from your tomatoes? In my experience from back when I lived in the US, while frost can kill them in a single night, tomatoes enter decline with low temps under 40F and will eventually die at those temps, lows have to be above about 50F for real growth and 60F for blooming, with ideal growth with highs in the 80F-95F range. If tomatoes were perrenials, they'd be classed as ultra-tropicals. Ask anyone who grows tomatoes in far SoCal how they behave if planted in the open during winter without protection - they might not die on you but they'll hardly thrive.

Also in my experience, tomatoes need 100% sun to produce well, wasting away in the shade. I quickly learned to let more invasive things like onions and fennel take the shady areas and to rotate the tomatoes around the highly sunny parts in the middle of my garden.

Quite true that they're soil and humidity-range tolerant, though - you can grow them anywhere from open desert to humid marshlands and they practically thrive on waterlogged or other poor soils so long as you keep the nitrogen coming. Of course, concerning humidity, achieving it in a greenhouse is sort of like achieving mold on a wet piece of bread - it's more challenging *not* to.

The thing is, i would expect the durian to die under those conditions, while the tomatoes will merely suffer. Also,i think that they are perennials to some extent. But what i'm trying to say is that the amount of technological sophistication required to grow a tomato indoors is hardly close to what a durian would require. Still worth a try though. 

Quote from: Radoslav on December 30, 2013, 08:13:36 AM

I think, that growing plants outside their natural range is only economical issue, not technical, nor weather problem.
Theoretically you can simulate any weather or soil conditions, but as I said before, it is question of the budget.
In Iceland you can use thermal water to heat the greenhouse 
In my country, there are some huge commercial greenhouses heated by geothermal energy - hot springs, they grow tomatoes year round there using hydroponic growing.

Indeed, if a proposed geothermal greenhouse expansion project up here goes through, Iceland will be a net exporter of tomatoes.  And tomatoes have to be at least as cold-sensitive and light-needy as durian.

Whether things are grown commercially is not so much about whether they're possible but about whether they can turn a profit. They've been growing bananas here since the 30s or so but they're not economical either.

Hate to disagree with you, cause i'm all for the whole try to grow a durian thing, but i really don't think a durian and a tomato can be considered on the same level. Like, not even close. Tomatoes wont die until it gets really close to freezing, they can grow in a wide range of soils, they don't need as much humidity, and i've gotten them to produce in almost lightless areas. So yeah.

Good luck on your endeavor and i look forward to ordering in the future!

All great ideas thus far.  Any more talented people in the forum willing to throw their hat into the ring?

I have an idea for a logo, a tree with various fruits growing of the branches and the branches spelling out TFF< no idea how to make something like that though, probably have to draw it.

Merry christmas everybody! 

Our school just spent months on an anti drinking and driving campaign. Just saying, just cause your not over doesn't mean that you won't kill someone, even one little drink is enough to destroy you and someone else utterly. It's plain stupid.

Enjoy these videos:

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http://youtu.be/Z2mf8DtWWd8

謝謝你的解說，但我真的發現東西不太對，45天期限快到時，我要向貝寶提出申訴時，他不趕快把種子寄出來，反而口氣不好地要我取消對他的申訴，跟他交易卻沒有保障。
這只是我的遭遇，你們不用放在心上。

Quote from: chingchang on December 19, 2013, 07:45:14 PM

Quote from: xunxun88 on December 19, 2013, 09:56:23 AM

Carlos，He is a liar, no credit.
 
I will po some photos tomorrow.

Carlos 的种子是真实的,值得信任的人,我可以向保证他的为人真实.只是寄过来的时间会久一点,我收到从巴西寄到中国的种子超过40天
Carlos seed is true, trustworthy, I can assure you of his is true. Just send over time will be longer, I received from Brazil for more than 40 days to send China seeds

Putting "謝謝你的解說，但我真的發現東西不太對，45天期限快到時，我要向貝寶提出申訴時，他不趕快把種子寄出來，反而口氣不好地要我取消對他的申訴，跟他交易卻沒有保障。
這只是我的遭遇，你們不用放在心上。" through google translate:

Thank you for the explanation, but I really find something not quite right, when the 45 days deadline approaching, I would like to file a complaint with PayPal when he did not hurry to send the seeds, but the tone is not good for him to want me to cancel the complaint, the transaction did not protect him.
This is just my experience, you do not mind.

Slightly betterish google traslation:

Elaeagnus conferta Roxb friends may not have knowledge of this species, also known as pure sweet fruit goat, purification varieties of Chinese Academy of Agricultural Sciences, Yunnan Province, the diameter of the fruit are 2-3 cm in it, like elongated dates, very sweet, 0 5 degrees cold in March next year I'll get some seeds

Not in socal but got a good couple inches of snow here in NY. looks like we may have a white christmas after all. 

I hereby command you to eat a ripe sapodilla. 

Saps are one of my absolute favs, but you have to love SWEET! don't try to compare them to anything, they just taste like themselves!

I guess it's a lesson to be learned, don't try to compare the taste of anything to anything else before you eat it. I am guilty of the same thing, i foolhardily expected longans to taste similar to lychees. I almost spat it out cause they, you know, they dont. worse case of this for me hough, the one time i tasted mangosteen a couple years ago, i didn't like it because i couldnt find something to compare it to  (still mad at myself for that.)

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