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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Kiwi (Actinidia)
« on: June 07, 2015, 12:47:24 PM »
Looking for the best kiwi for Southern California. Not much here though I did find the below post from greenman62. Any other thoughts? Is there a real difference between deliciosa and chinensis? Is there a better arguta (hardy kiwi) variety for socal? Some sites say you can't grow them above zone 8, but CRFG page implies otherwise.

Do commercial kiwi cultivars actually produce viable seed? I mean, could one just go down to the store, pick up some kiwifruit  and follow that process? (if they need four months of stratification then surely they can take refrigeration during shipping...)  I had just assumed that, like commercial bananas, they'd been bred to the point of infertility.

If it were possible, even if ones odds of getting a good plant were low, it could still be a way to get a male for pollination since kiwi is monoecious.

i was going to ask this myself.
Kiwi does have seeds
banana from the store do not - im pretty sure.
i dont know if that seed is viable or not?
also, the variety i think is the "Hayward "

 Hayward, does best with a winter rest of 800 hours of chilling (defined as total hours between 32° and 45° F.)

(such as southern California, southern Texas, and Florida), cultivars such as Elmwood, Dexter, Abbott, or Vincent would be more suitable. In very mild winter areas the vines may retain their leaves and fail to flower the following season. Kiwi vines can be successfully grown in large containers.
Seeds from store bought fruit may be planted in the spring

They do need a winter chill in order to produce fruit, so you can’t grow kiwi anywhere warmer than zone 8.
 Different varieties have different temperature requirements, so you should try to buy plants that suit your climate.

Fuzzy Female varieties need Fuzzy Males to set fruit
Fuzzy Varieties (Actinidia deliciosa)

Vincent Female Kiwi – Low Chill Kiwi!
Even though she’s named Vincent, this is the female fuzzy kiwi looking for Tomuri. She’s a tasty egg-sized fruit, similar to what you are accustomed to buying in the grocery store. Bred for warmer climates, she requires only 100 chill units, and a growing season of 240 frost-free days to sweeten the fruit. Fruit set is most successful when the winter temperature drops below 32, and Vincent is hardy to 10-15 degrees when mature. Can be grown successfully in a large pot if trellised adequately. Harvest in October. Zones 8-9.

How to Grow Kiwi From Store Bought Kiwi Fruit!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Breeding Mulberry
« on: June 01, 2015, 07:31:43 PM »
Does anyone have experience breeding mulberries? The only variety I have fruiting is Pakistan, which is female producing parthenocarpic fruit (no seeds). Can I just find a landscape male tree, or are there named varieties with good fruit that are monoecious?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Ken Druse on seedlings
« on: May 31, 2015, 04:41:05 PM »
I've been loving Ken Druse's podcast for a couple years now. He recently took up the topic of growing seedlings and I thought it was very interesting.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Exotica tasting heads-up
« on: May 15, 2015, 06:48:44 PM »
San Diego folks, Exotica has some nice tasting right now. At least 3 varieties of mulberry (Oscar's -- nice, bit of tartness; Pakistan White -- tastes like sweet corn; Himalayan -- bit more grassy or something than Pakistani), Cherry of the Rio Grande (very tasty and fruity, I was surprised), surinam cherry (at least 2 varieties), blackberry, and probably a bunch I didn't see. Also ripening up are Kei Apple, White Sapote, Carob, Sapodilla. And the Che is blooming.

I'm going to be driving up the coast from San Diego almost to Oregon in July and I'd like some suggestions of places to visit of botanical/fruit interest, e.g. botanical gardens and nurseries. Interested in fruits/edibles as well as natives (esp. conifers).

Champa, Temple and Roger Meyer nurseries have been suggested in another thread. Been to Mimosa. Are there bay area nurseries that are must-see?

Lotusland and Huntington Gardens were suggested by a landscaper friend.

I spent many hours in SF Botanical last week so probably will skip it this time. (Also saw the sculpted trees in Gilroy and the awful Burbank home in Santa Rosa.) The LA county arboretum has an engelmann oak grove that i'd love to see. UCR has subtropical fruit collection, baja, and temperate forest that look interesting.

I'd like to hit Berkeley Arboretum and find their Yangmei.

Any other suggestions? Or particular things I should be looking for when I visit? I've read there are some very large cork oak trees in Nor cal. Would like to see those too.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Germinating strawberry tree (arbutus unedo)
« on: February 22, 2015, 08:25:47 PM »
Latest batch from my favorite tree sitting in coco coir in the fridge for 2 months:

And the products of my previous attempt. Two pics of seeds that germinated in coco coir and then transplanted:

Plus some seeds that I similarly cold stratified, but in a paper towel in a ziplock. They got moldy so i threw them all in a pot:

And lastly the sole seedling I got from my first attempt when I didn't use cold stratification:

Citrus General Discussion / top and multi-graft?
« on: December 02, 2014, 09:12:23 PM »
I have well established, mostly healthy dwarf lemon (unknown cultivar) that produces too much lemons for us. Also, I'd like to get more citrus in my yard but don't have enough room. Does it make sense to top the lemon and multi-graft it? Or am I tempting fate? Is it going to grow too aggressively? The shoots I get even after minor pruning are already pretty aggressive.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Palmer Mangos in San Diego
« on: October 12, 2014, 08:03:17 PM »
The Fruit Shop on Convoy has them. I haven't tasted them yet, but bought a box. Nice looking Mango.

Reviews here have been mixed:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Propagating Litchi/Longan by root cuttings?
« on: October 11, 2014, 09:04:48 PM »
I was reading an old forestry book on propagation and it discusses propagation by root cuttings. I've also noticed that even small liberated roots of carrotwood are throwing up shoots in various parts of my yard.

Has anyone tried propagating lychee, longan or any of the other soapberry family trees (rambutan, guinep, pulasan, ackee, etc) by root cuttings?

The only mention I've found online is this patent:

According to this thread, most Lychee and Longan are propagated by air layering, so the roots should be the desired variety. But I have also seen videos before on approach grafted Longan or Lychee.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / san diegans w loquots
« on: September 03, 2014, 09:59:34 PM »
Im looking for interesting loquot scions. Have two unnamed grafted onto my champagne seedling but a bunch of water shoots i want to graft onto as well. I can pick up if youre in the county

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Reed Avocados in San Diego County
« on: August 18, 2014, 12:13:45 AM »
The fruit stand at the SE corner of Hwy 76 and Interstate 15 finally has Reed avocados. I've been waiting to get these for a while. Got some yesterday. Excited to taste them.

Also, in case you hadn't seen it in other posts Atkins has Reed and other top notch avocado trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / kei apple - dovyalis caffra
« on: July 30, 2014, 01:35:09 AM »
Based on lots of negative to neutral reviews I'd not considered growing kei apple but had the good fortune to try it today at exotica. Loved it! Has an almost vegetable taste up front reminiscent of radish somehow which quickly transitions into a perfect balance of sweet and tangy. Had to buy a couple trees on the spot. Steve was very careful this time to distinguish between rooted cuttings and seedlings. Going to train it into a sort of barbed wire above my back wall. Along with a guamuchil i scored at HD this weekend.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / San Diegans
« on: July 23, 2014, 04:28:23 PM »
Chilean Wine Palm available on craigslist, $5-25

Also I noticed that Seafood City on Mira Mesa has some interesting trees (from Champa Nursery) at outrageous prices: Molix and Morena Sapodilla, Green Sugar Apple, Kohala Longan, Mauritius Litchee, Hog Plum.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / My yard after a year
« on: July 20, 2014, 02:46:49 PM »
Ive been redoing my yard as edibles for a bit more than a year now. Heres how it looks starting with the back left corner of the back yard and moving clockwise around the property.

Two avocados on the left. Hass below and fuerte above. Been doing lots of grafting experiments on these. Chandler pomelo. Thompsons seedless grape which got some fungus from the HOAs english ivy. Kadota fig with lots of fruit. Also an allspice hiding in the cucumber.

Suebelle white sapote on the leftmost edge. Then earligold apricot, champagne seedling loquot multigrafted, backberry, boysenberry, wooly pindo palm. In the middle my mango seedling experiment not looking great. Frederick passionfruit on the far wall. Babaco in front of strawberries on the lower right. And the touch of green on the lower right ground is a peanut butter tree seedling.

Cape gooseberry, li jujube, asparagus and strawberries behind. Ive tried about 6 different strawberries and only evie2 everbearing has florished.

Lillikoi passiflora intertwined with scarlet runner bean. Unknown lemon.

My just completed 'greenhouse'. 30% shadecloth above. Sprinkler system on both sides. Lots of fun plants: valentine pomello, jan boyce and reed avos, jackfruit, surinam cherry, rainforest plum, and varrious jaboticaba seedlings. Seedless grape called 'blueberry'.

Likely sabara jabo on right, cherry of the rio grande on the left. Some draggon fruits on the fence that arent doing well.

Pakistan mulberry center. Sunshine blue blueberries under the windows. Vietnamese giant white dragonfruit in the pot behind the pigmy date palms.

Triple mexican papaya far left. Were equal height until a couple months ago then two got something in their tops and the third, a hermie, is twice their volume and a couple feet taller. Meiwa kumquot, gin berry, australian finger lime, key lime. Lime was suffering what looked like magnesium deficiency. They're all in clay at neuttal pH so i hit it with 5gallons of water adjusted to pH 5 with sulfuric acid and half the plant greened right up. Doing the same with the finger lime today.

Espalier anna apple and hood pear. Garden prince almond. Volunteer cherry tomato taking over in the middle.

Vermillion seedling surinam cherry from leo and unnamed from ethan. Seedling carobs in the box.

Sorry for the tablet pictures. Will update text and perhaps photos later.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Corona Avocado
« on: April 11, 2014, 11:03:20 AM »
I subscribe to a couple avocado of the month clubs, avocadodiva and avocadoofthemonthclub, and a few days ago got a box from the latter. It contained Hass and "Corona". The Corona was wonderful. All the nuttiness of the hass with a bit of the florida avocado wateriness that made it fresh. Think of all the hass flavor with less fat. The flesh was firmer. Fruit the size of a largish Hass. I've had two and the seed from the first was bigger than hass and from the second smaller.

I did a search for "Corona Avocado" and can't find mention of it. Lots of stuff about shears, packing houses and the town.

Anyone heard of it? Perhaps its a ripoff of some other avocado?

pic coming of hass on left and corona on right, fully ripe.

Plants in pots but can be in ground.. { i have a major prob. with Deer getting to them, so i have them in pots  ;D}
Pakistan mulberry, ever bearing mulberry,  Ice-cream Banana, Papaya, miho satsuma,Ujukitsu, kumquat, calamondin, sunburst tangerine, royal lee and minnie royal cherries, pink and white guavas, Fantastic Avocado, Mission Olive, Moringa (drumstick tree), Pithecellobium dulce (guamichile or sweet madras or manilla tamarind), Rabbiteye Blueberries, passion fruit vine.

I don't see much discussion of this tree here. Seems like a spiky version of ice cream bean. Interested in growing it for edible yet fearsome hedge. Anyone have experience with it? In California?

Main complaints in other forums appears to be cold sensitivity and abundance of seedlings.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / First taste of custard apple
« on: February 04, 2014, 09:09:08 PM »
couldn't place the taste but after my daughter said 'that's really familiar' i thought about it some more and realized it was fruit loops!

loved it.

nm. pretty sure it was cherimoya (cherimola?) not reticulata.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mexican Avocado leaf smell
« on: January 26, 2014, 09:06:51 PM »
Got myself a Mexicola from HD for grafting. Crushed some leaves and I don't get anise or licorice, smells more like cilantro to me. That just my nose?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Heirloom Trees?
« on: January 23, 2014, 11:08:22 AM »
This question has been bugging me for a year.

Heirloom plants are ones that when self-crossed produce progeny that are identical to the parents. They are developed by self-crossing and selecting for many generations (usually seven or more) until all the genetics are homozygous, i.e. 'fixed'. That is, genes on the two copies of every chromosome are the same (as opposed to having heterozygous dominant + recessive pairs). Thus all the self-crosses are the same as the parent because there's no diversity of genes. Heirloom plants are used by gardeners because they can replant seeds every year instead of buying new ones.

Is this ever done with fruit trees? There's not really the need and by the time you did it, your variety would probably be passe, but still. Anyone know? When I google for heirloom fruit trees all I get are varieties that have been grafted for decades, not at all the same meaning as for e.g. tomatoes.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / San Diego CRFG members
« on: January 20, 2014, 10:54:19 AM »
Reminder that the North County CRFG scion exchange is this friday (1/24/14) @ 7pm.

Hoping to meet some local forum members there. Simon? PltdWorld? Marklee? Nullzero?

Ok, so its not really guerilla since its my own bushes I cut down a year ago, but it is converting mostly useless landscape bushes into tasty fruit. I cut some 10-20 year old bushes and attempted to poison them, but got water sprouts anyway. Not too surprising. Decided to attempt some approach grafting with other syzygiums and eugenia.

Started two months ago and just liberated them. All graphs were wrapped with twine and then tapped. Surinam was additionally wrapped loosely with saran wrap.

First was Surinam Cherry (Eugenia Uniflora). Good fusion despite surinam's leaves turning deep red. But that could just be the cold, since most of my other (ungrafted) surinams turned the same way.

Before liberation. Note how the leaves are nearly identical in size and shape. Before the surinam turned red, they couldn't be told apart.

Surinam unwrapped. Great fusion the entire length.

Sweet Java Plum (syzygium cumini) grafted on Brush Cherry:

Unwrapped. Pretty good fusion, but the bottom started to peal away after unwrapping. Note the middle branch that has a cumini branch on one side and paniculatum on the other)

Lastly Rose Apple (syzygium jambos i believe from Exotica)

Notice how the bottom is pealing away. I tied it back.

All together

Will keep y'all updated.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / eisenhower avocado?
« on: January 19, 2014, 01:11:23 PM »
Anyone come across the 'eisenhower' avocado mentioned in this post?

From my favorite economics podcast:

Mark in Texas i think will especially like it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / San Diego Fruit Shop has
« on: January 14, 2014, 09:59:03 PM »
Cherimoya (not surprising), Sapodilla and Kent Mangos from Ecuador and Peru. Just finished a Kent from Ecuador and it was excellent. The sapodilla and the cherimoya still ripening up.

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