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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: June 18, 2020, 10:28:51 PM »

So I was actually at Excalibur earlier this week and picked up these 6 mangos labeled coc which I too though was synonymous with cac... they look like cac shape but are they cac or coc? 🤷‍♂️😂



Got my seeds today super stoked!!! Most annoying part was tracking number only showed the Portugal shipping updates whereas after package left Portugal all updates stopped.


Thatís awesome, my oro negro flowered all over the tree for first time and dropped all of its dime sized fruit not a single fruit remains...I heard itís because I donít water enough but then I see random and completely uncared for avo trees carrying loads of fruit. 🤷‍♂️


Are you sure itís Venus? If yes, are you sure it isnít just multiple sprouts from the same  root?

Oftentimes, Monoembryonic seedlings will sprout out multiple shoots from the same root but this does not make it Polyembryonic. This often happens when the original sprout gets injured.

You may want to check out the roots if you can do it without harming your seedlings.

If each sprout has its own root, then I donít know what to think. All the Venus Iíve had were Monoembryonic.


Simon 100% correct on this... best way to tell if mango is mono or poly is usually pretty obvious when you dehusk seed before planting. I havenít been following this thread but if it hasnít already been stated cotton candy is polyembryonic...recently dehusked and planted a few.


Hey Weiss,

Great to hear this, I will probably get a tree now...I first heard of Carmen from this video at 1:21 mark basically the way itís described, sounds like an incredibly productive avo, and you are first report IĎve heard in FL. If you you can post some pics of the fruit Iím interested.



Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: June 04, 2020, 01:42:02 PM »
Love Sunrise.

Shameless plug: We graft it on order for anyone interested In this no longer propagated tree  :D

Hey Alex,

Why is sunrise not propagated anymore? Iíd be surprised if disease, the mangos Iíve seen are spotless 👀 thanks for heads up.


I havenít had M4 yet or OE, and ranking only the mangos you listed:

1) sweet tart
2) sugarloaf
3) lemon zest
4) kathy
5) orange sherbet
6) buttercream
7) cotton candy
8) pineapple pleasure

Sayid brings up a good point about pineapple pleasure, the few I had this year were a bummer and unevenly ripened, some spots were much softer than other parts, when I ate them they were not like I remembered from seasons past 🤷‍♂️


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: June 03, 2020, 10:43:17 AM »
OK. You guys are right. I apologize.

All good man, you are very lucky to have the land from what it sounds like to plant multiple trees hope you can contribute to this thread in time when your mangos come due and further the understanding of mangos via media pictures/video and flavor descriptions it works out doubly in your favor to further improve your business by seeking continuous quality improvement/feedback and catering to the customer 👍


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: June 01, 2020, 02:21:57 PM »

Hey Forum,

An Italian (Me), Jamaican, and Indian...casually enjoying a few mangos while at work on break. Todayís knife fight consisted of 1) Super Alphonse aka 36-8, special thanks to mangocountry for making this contestant possible grown by ZHPP, 2) O-15 grown by ZHPP and 3) Ice Cream as grown by me. I asked the reviewers to rate their preferred mangos with a description and afterward I revealed their identities. Their notes are up above pictured and Iím going to provide my subjective opinion below.

36-8: this was very complex, more so than the previous season and this probably the only one Iíll get to try this year, I had another but it was picked too soon and didnít ripen properly/sour wrinkled. There was a faint sweet smell on the outside, I cut it open to reveal a bright yellow orange flesh which is totally fiberless with some thin juice. The texture of the flesh was melting. I tasted a few different flavors some sub acid faint green apple like flavor in the lower beak part of the flesh, while areas around the seed revealed some faint earthiness/musk but it was not objectionable, the resin twist was prevalent throughout the flesh and bite while concentrated in the peel. I enjoyed this mango and the appearance with a pinkish blush was a bonus.

O-15 IMO won the show, it tasted the sweetest of the three with a viscous syrupy resin sugar that permeated the flesh and skin in every bite. I tasted some sweet thick honey upfront slight citrus background and resin throughout. The flesh was melting and slightly darker than 36-8.

Ice Cream: this ice cream was over ripe unfortunately, still sweet and resinous throughout but the flesh consistency was juicy and ďWateryĒ. I find it interesting that Indian reviewer ranked it 2 out of 3 👀🤔 and after the identities were revealed the Jamaicanís response was ďwow Iím suprised this is not the same mango you brought in last weekĒ referencing the last tasting of ice cream vs sweet tart vs Kathy were it won 👀

For me in this knife fight the lot fell O15> 36-8 >Ice Cream.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: May 30, 2020, 10:38:44 PM »
Guys I know taste is subjective and Iíve been criticized before of the reviews and I have said at a base take from these the pictures...and the sizes, and the colors, the weights, and length measurements. This is to put information out whereas you wanna know what xyz mango looks like good luck finding that on the internet besides this thread! Iím happy to have started this thread which is a top read thread based on views but have really enjoyed reading others reviews and participation most recently satya.

Recently I was asked over DM what my top 10 mangos were this was my response:


Taste is very subjective BUT I think the more you read about tasting reports you tend to see the same names rank high frequently so I believe that there is some truth in that there are better mangos than others. Personally I rank mangos based on taste as I grow for personal consumption and not based on production, Iíd rather have two Devine tasting mangos than 40 ok mangos. I havenít had every mango but I think Iíve eaten maybe 150+ mango types based on the festivals, tastings, and mango hunting that Iíve done.

Personally in no particular order I like: sweet tart, lemon zest, coconut cream, fruit punch, cac, harvest moon, ice cream, super Julie, super Alphonso and sugar loaf.

Probably my favorite is ice cream, I look forward to it every year and have a tree.

Tried a few O-15 this year that were good and waiting to try 5 cotton candy mangos that are ripening on my table at the moment, I have missed cotton candy two years in a row but finally got some this year.


More on ice cream....

Been doing mango tastings at work with associates, these are mango noobs, people who donít know this site even exist for example and donít have a tree and basically know the two mangos in Publix... itís fun because it really removes biases like whatís the hot new sexy mango on the block. Recently pit cac, LZ and PSM against each other and ID the mangos by number not by their sexy name like Lemon Zest! ....CAC won and it beat the pants off the LZ that I grew...but then I brought in ice cream, Kathy aka K3 aka kryptonite and a sweet tart. All three were in perfect form and the winner...... ice cream! ...close second was Kathy. I went on to talk to the associates about ice cream and how to look for it when you go to truly tropical as itís always passed over because itís smaller, uncolorfull green, and sometimes looks downright diseased because of its anthracnose issue... the associates were laughing saying so true if I saw this mango I wouldnít buy it BASED ON LOOKS.

A lowly ice cream off my tree below, the little mango that could not sexy at all sorry not sorry 😂

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherilata taste test.
« on: May 30, 2020, 09:38:20 PM »
Wanted to post these pics to this thread as a side by side high res photos now that my cherilata has fully leafed out, cherilata leaf and also a ďfernandezĒ reticulata leaf. Think this is a cross between cherimoya and reticulata based on what painter reports but maybe got more of the cherimoya genes that code for leaf phenotype, vs the hybrid that JF is describing in Yucatan? I see the cherimoya in the leaf shape  🤷‍♂️.

Cherilata Leaves



Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: May 30, 2020, 07:19:23 PM »
I donít know how people can seriously review mangoes now that were picked prematurely. For example all the comments on Cotton Candy. C.C normally is a late season fruit and itís still May. Any comments at this time about Cotton Candy etc etc etc are meaningless crap. Anyone who gets up publicly and expounds on a mango 6-10 weeks before itís time may have a screw loose or would rather show everyone how smart they are than have an interest in pure unadulterated truth. There is some member from North Miami who is putting videos of him tasting mangoes that have no basis in reality but he adds a disclaimer to everything he says. So basically he isnít interested in truth only in something else. I find that extremely destructive and immoral. This site is for sharing accurate info in order to help each and every member new and old get accurate information for multiple reasons. I based my choices of which mango varieties to plant which was a huge investment for me in money and time and very very hard work on the great members here. If these unknowledgeable people were on this board back then I would have been totally screwed. And going forward lots of new people are going to get hurt by these same self centered and maybe dumb individuals. I have 26 Cotton Candy trees and this is the first year I have any fruit from them. I have never tasted one but my decision to buy and plant them was based on comments from a consensus of reviews by the obvious leaders on this board. Itís almost June 1 and not a single one of the fruit has fallen off of maybe only 25-30 on all the 26 trees. Right now itís way way way too early for an honest review of a Cotton Candy mango. Does anyone who cares really want to hear meaningless comments about a mango so prematurely picked or that dropped off a tree. This is serious business here and anyone who takes this so lightly........

Hey Weiss,

I purchase most of the mangos I review from Zill High Performance plants and from time to time when Gary Zill is in the room we will have a discussion about mangos and the season and climate conditions that influence such seasons. Iím deeply in love with the subject. My last convo with Gary a about 2 weeks ago was along the lines of this is the best season heís ever seen in the decades heís been involved with mangos and that the season is so incredible specifically because many late season varieties have come early and that there are multiple blooms such that the season will be extended, this was told to me when I was buying the cotton candy and how Iíve missed them two previous seasons in July. He hypothesized that due to global warming there is more co2 in the air which plants love, I said maybe because we had pulsating cold blasts and drier than normal rain fall 🤷‍♂️ So I wish you call and speak to him yourself. But wish you the best with your 20 plus cotton candy trees.... 👍


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: May 30, 2020, 02:39:17 PM »

Cotton Candy

Here is one of 5 cotton candy mangos I scored this year and the second one Iíve sampled of the lot. The two previous seasons I have completely ended empty handed without trying this mango as it is a hot item that goes very quickly. I gotta say though based on just the two that Iíve had, Iím a little disappointed. Recently ďcotton candyĒ grapes were released as an incredible achievement to selective breeding efforts and they actually taste like cotton candy, they are delicious and I feel that combined with the scarcity of acquiring this cultivar set the bar very high for my expectations. The mango pictured seems to be on riper side internally as it was very juicy with a classic juicy mango flesh texture not melting or chalky, which I was expecting based on ďcotton candyĒ name. The flesh is yellow and reminds me of an improved Keitt though much smaller and sweater than Keitt. I didnít sense any resin in the skin peel or throughout the flesh.

Question to fellow members, how has this season been so far for cotton candy? Will sample the other 3 mangos when ready, but as it stands Iíd rather have cotton candy grapes than a cotton candy mango. 🤷‍♂️


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: May 30, 2020, 02:09:34 PM »


The bought some sunrise mangos from ZHPP plants and they were exquisite. Sunrise reminds me of malika in many ways. Notice how it ripens with green splotches, very similar. The flesh is totally fiberless and melting and an orange color like malika. The flavor is sweet with notes of honey and carrot like malika though with a resin that permeates throughout the flesh in every bite unlike malika!. Outstanding mango.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: May 24, 2020, 03:47:17 PM »

Recently did a mango sampling at work between a lemon zest off my tree, Cac, and Pim Saen Mun both grown by tropical acres. All three mangos were in absolute form and I was totally excited to compare the three side by side myself while also getting feedback from three associates who do not have a ďare you experiencedĒ in Jimi Hendrix terms knowledge like myself, are mangos drugs? ...anyways. The winner clearly was Cac which was super sweet cataloupe and honeydew melon with faint musk after finish wowed the crowd. The PSM banana popsicle/sugar cane flavor and Lemon Zest citrus oranges and creamy flesh with little sub acid zing...were tied for second.

Iím gonna venture out on a limb and say, that Cac will probably be the best Iíll have this year. And the season I had just started!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: May 24, 2020, 03:28:29 PM »

Lakshmi Mango

Purchased this mango from Walter Zills stand, just one. The story behind it is a friend or patron said it was a good mango and so Walter grafted it to see if it would sell. The fruit is very rounded and resembles the shape of a large green Granny Smith apple. There was no smell to the outside of the mango while the flesh had a slight give to it. Cutting it open I noticed the flesh is a pale yellow, totally fiberless, and flesh is very firm and not juicy strikes me as there is hardly any juice on the plate after every cut was made. This is a very interesting and unique mango flavor wise as it a bartlet pear, definitely PEAR, like no other mango I could compare this to that Iíve ever had. As I ate nearest the skin there is a sweeter honey flavor with some faint resin twist. Definitely recommend giving this one a shot to see how you like it, the flavor is so different that I think itís going to have a love/hate following.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: May 21, 2020, 08:25:44 AM »

One thing I havenít seen/heard people talking about: aborted embryos in E4 sugar loaf: Was noticing this last year in the mangos I ate and again this year....just opened up 3 and all three were aborted, stranger things man.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Let's Boost My Grafting Confidence!
« on: May 16, 2020, 11:38:02 AM »
Iíve been grafting atemoya and cherimoya onto reticulata and soursop rootstock using cleft grafts and zip tie method my est 80% success.

how long before you remove the zip ties? I imagine there would be long-term damage if they were left on too long.

Hey Odin,

I started these approach grafts about 40 days ago then cut off main stem from mother tree. Plan is to cut of zip ties in another month. Iím going to steak them so wind does not stress the young graft union. I attempted 5 approach grafts 3 Excalibur red and two TM red, 2 Excalibur red and 1 TM red were successful. I used the zip ties to secure branch union then wrapped over the zip ties and graft cut with parafilm.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Let's Boost My Grafting Confidence!
« on: May 15, 2020, 08:07:03 AM »
Hey Kevin,

I feel annonas are pretty easy, Iíve been grafting atemoya and cherimoya onto reticulata and soursop rootstock using cleft grafts and zip tie method my est 80% success. How Iíve failed in past: do not water your newly grafted annonas with a hose carpet bombing method! Water seeps into parafilm then into graft union and rots your scion union! Instead I use a Home Depot 1 gallon pump sprayer with wand to direct water directly to roots so to avoid rotting the graft union. Here is a picture of my first approach graft I did, and my first jack fruit propagation, Excalibur red...I utilized zip ties....seem to use them for everything in garden from grafting to steaking and securing plants.

Best of luck man, grafting is an empowering skill.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: May 12, 2020, 06:29:34 AM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: May 11, 2020, 04:53:20 PM »

Hey Forum,

Tried a new mango called Karen Michelle, purchased from Zills. Really excited to try this one as itís the most fragrant on the ripening table at the moment. I brought it over to my wife and said wow youíve got to smell this...her response ďThey need to make perfume out of this.Ē Indeed the smell is very nice from the outside, reminds me a little like coconut cream meets Haden. Itís a good sized mango about 6in long and weighing over 1lb. I cut open the mango to reveal a bright yellow ďschool busĒ colored flesh. The flesh was juicy and had micro fibers, long strings were absent. You can see the micro fibers in the close up picture, I could also hear them splitting as I ran my knife along the seed. The flavor I would characterize as classic mango flavor in the vein as Haden/baileys marvel....some peachy tartness edge to it, but not complex and absent of resin.



This website seems totally sketch, buyer beware....look at the photo they using as ďgeffnerĒ 😂😂😂


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: M4 or Coconut Cream
« on: May 08, 2020, 12:19:56 AM »
Both are top mangos and if you could, grow both. I have a big coconut cream whith Y shape lower branch structure which Iím going to cut way back then graft E4 onto one side of the Y and have both. CC to me is more coconut with a lil faint spice note sometimes, E4 is most tropical mango Iíve ever had like a Pina colada at the beach...coconut, pineapple and a lil passion fruit all mixed in. Different textures, CC is more creamy while E4 delicate and juicy. CC tree growth habit is spindly and unruly curious how the growth habit and branching is on E4?  Glad to hear E4 is disease resistant, for me CC is spotless. Iíve heard of production issues with CC?  Last year yielded in teens but this year I only have two mangos...think I pruned it too much last year and itís mad at me and skipped this year 😒


I feel like the seller is willing to ship to other states which in other states it is ďrareĒ notice all the posters here us spoiled Floridians....


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