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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help me choose new mango!
« on: July 04, 2015, 08:47:15 PM »
I would seriously question that his Fruit Punch mango is the real thing.  Just met with someone from Ft. Myers who said someone is selling bogus Fruit Punch fruit.  How do i onow its bogus, i showed this person a fruit and let him taste it qnd he said what is being sold in Ft. Myers was shaped different,  smaller in size and tasted different...a dead give away.

In some ways, that's my fear. Getting all kinds of varieties, only to have them fruit in a couple years and not be the correct variety. That's even if I would know! FWIW, if I bought a Fruit Punch tree online, I'd give away fruit calling it that variety until I was corrected.

I guess posting pictures of the fruit on the boards once you get fruit is a way to know if you got what you expected?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help me choose new mango!
« on: July 04, 2015, 11:38:04 AM »
The eBay seller I posted will begin shipping to California in July. They ship with the pot and don't clip three roots!!!! I cant wait!!! They even sell fruit punch mango!

http://m.ebay.com/itm/111698993552?NAV=HOME


This ebay seller has 49 mango trees all different varieties for sale. http://stores.ebay.com/Treasures-of-the-Tropics-Plants?_dmd=1&_nkw=mango.  He has to be grafting many of them himself because many are one gallon size. He is selling three gallon and one gallon at nice prices with $14 shipping

He is in Ft Meyers Florida


Nice to see this, other than PIN and PoG it's hard to find people willing to ship trees. Any experience buying from him? My only worry with most eBay sellers is not being sure of what I get. Then again...I wouldn't know if I got the right variety in almost any case. :( So to me, I regard reputation very highly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee grafted onto Longan?
« on: July 03, 2015, 09:57:33 PM »
I have an extra Kohala tree that I was thinking of trying this with. Would need some budwood too. I guess it should be easy to come by since most people aren't grafting Lychee other than Emperor is that right? Might be good news for some of the more rare varieties, as I think the barrier to getting them was needing to get live trees as opposed to just scions.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pugging my Geffner Atemoya
« on: May 18, 2015, 11:54:39 AM »
I can understand your point. But I'm sure you probably don't much understand my situation. No offense intended at all, but if I were in tropical fruit paradise and didn't have to go through so much each year just to keep my tropicals alive, it may be a totally different story. I'd rather have a couple fruits each year for the first several years...rather than wait several years to have any fruit at all, then to have a year with hundreds. If things grow easy in your climate and you have tons of other fruit ready to eat all the time, I can understand being willing to wait at the benefit to accelerate tree strength for future harvests.

After spending hundreds of dollars on trees, greenhouse, heating costs. etc. I'm just plain not willing to keep that going for several years before even tasting any fruits. Call it short sighted or unwise or whatever, but that's just reality for me. Maybe others are more willing or have more patience than me. One other guy in Texas mentioned to me that his first avocado cost him $30k or so.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pugging my Geffner Atemoya
« on: May 15, 2015, 03:40:38 PM »
Good to know about the petals. There has been some wind lately and it seems like they get blown off. I'm pretty sure I've been pollinating well. On a tree my size, I'm not hoping for a crop, but just a fruit or two to taste. Later this season or next I plan to get a lot more annonas assuming I'm liking Geffner. I've had some decent store bought cherimoyas, but never anything home-grown to compare them to.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pugging my Geffner Atemoya
« on: May 14, 2015, 09:02:18 PM »
Sounds good Frank. Surprised it gets down that low in Hawaii! But maybe your up on a bit of a mountain?

I've tried pollinating several flowers, but I'm still not certain I do it right until a fruit holds. I assume if the petals fall off that means it was unsuccessful. I know supposedly in 7 days or so I would see the fruitlet develop, but I think the petals are supposed to hold on if all went right.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pugging my Geffner Atemoya
« on: May 14, 2015, 06:26:21 PM »
Here's the same tree after it's grown out a bit more:


Flowers opening:


I'm hoping hand-pollination works well this year. Next year I'll try to defoliate a month earlier so I'm pollinating by early April.

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great advice from everyone!

but here i go...about to dabble in Ebay...

I'm going to list a few rare plants (that virtually can't be found anywhere else on the internet) to see what kind of bids they will bring.

I would just try to advertise on your site and ask people interested in those plants to send you what the max they are willing to pay is. Keep the message up for a couple months or so with an "expiry" date, and at that date, send it to the top bidder. If they back out, offer to the next highest and so on. Way easier than dealing with eBay IMO. But maybe you do get a bit more traffic from eBay. I've just had bad experiences with them personally as a seller, but I've had good ones too. It all depends on who your buyer ends up being.

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I think the biggest problem is agreeing to moderate these kind of exchanges, and the man-power that it really takes to do it fairly for both parties.

eBay & PayPal used to moderate a lot more than they do now, and devote more man-power to case investigation, now it's just usually siding with the buyer in most cases (more profitable). Sellers still have to use the service since there isn't good alternatives, and buyers keep using because they are "protected". Of course, it opens the system pretty wide to scammers, but such is the system.

For plant material, you have the extra variable of it not only being damaged in transit, but also it not being cared for properly after it arrives at it's destination. That combined with the worry that as a buyer, you probably don't know that you're getting the correct variety you expect, until long after the transaction is complete (if ever), so buying from a trusted person is much more important.

All this makes me think it's just better to cut out the middle-man auctioneer service and buy plants straight from the source. If auctioning is done in a forum format, where the forum isn't involved in the transaction...I think it makes much more sense than an eBay style website auction service. Just my opinion anyway.

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Yep, I'm a bit confused which will pass with some experience I'm sure.  Yes or no, do you cut the water shoots back to the graft and if so at what point in time?   

1. Immediately after grafting,

2. Upon confirmation that the graft took and was successful (2-4 weeks),

3. At the time that the foliar budwood has pushed and has a few sets of leaves?

Thanks

As I understood and have tried, with side veneer or this single bud graft, it would seem best to pinch out the terminal bud, or top the shoot that you grafted onto, but leave some amount of leaves on the top until a couple flushes have gone through the grafted buds. Then come back and clip the rootstock off just above the graft.

I believe this gives energy enough to allow for the bud to push, even in non-favorable conditions, although it may take longer. I would guess if you immediately clip off your rootstock foliage above the graft, that as long as you have enough energy it should push successfully, but a bit more risk as an unsuccessful graft the other way you can just try again up further or on the other side.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee prices through the roof!
« on: May 07, 2015, 04:24:47 PM »
Lychee is a great fruit, and with the short season, it's not hard to see why they are in high demand. I had only guessed that maybe also this year wasn't that great, but it's good to hear I'm likely wrong about that! Hopefully some will start showing up in shops here.

Personally I'm willing to pay a bit more than others for fruit I guess. My biggest let down is when the price is high or not a great deal, and flavor is lack-luster. If it's a good variety picked at peak ripeness I'd have no problem paying $8-10/lb. But here prices usually go with availability, so early season and late season prices are higher, and flavor isn't as good anyway.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee prices through the roof!
« on: May 07, 2015, 11:40:57 AM »
Must be because of low production this year? I've been waiting for lychee to show up at the asian stores here. Whenever I ask they tell me it will be some other random month that lychees aren't ripe in (instead of a few days or a week or several week or whatever like I'd expect around this time of year).

Watch everyone plant lychee now and bring the price down in a couple years!

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I use a diagram as well, in a Google Spreadsheet doc. Much less awesome than the one posted above, but it gets the job done. Just put a number in each cell, then have a lookup table. I don't have many plants and can remember mine for now, but I'm concerned that at some point as my collection grows, it just may not be possible. It also works better if you hand-water each one like you do, but if you set up a drip system it may make things worse for memory.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Container peach and nectarine.
« on: May 02, 2015, 04:44:36 PM »
I have a Georgia Belle peach in a large container. It's holding around 50 fruits now that I thinned from about 100.

If you don't have enough chilling hours, have you thought of looking for a walk-in refrigerator? Saw one at a local brewery....well I guess I do crazier things for my tropicals outside the tropics. Maybe some people in the tropics will start building chilling rooms. :)

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Wild strawberries in Minnesota where I grew up have tons of flavor, but tiny (smaller than my pinky nail) and few fruits. But when you find one, they pack an explosion of taste!

I agree with taste as a primary goal for me personally, but in nature it does seem to be at a balance between flavor, size, productivity and shelf life. You can have some, but not something with everything.

Trying to grow strawberries in Texas, my experience has been disappointing for everything. Next year I'll be trying out Chandler as I've heard they are good. If it doesn't work out, I'll officially give up on getting a useful crop around here. I'm sure some people can do it, but strawberries really seem to take dedication, and for me it's only worth that dedication in a tree or bush that stays around. When it's a plant that eventually dies off (strawberry, tomato, etc), it feels harder to invest so much into it...

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I'm in zone 8a in Texas, with several high bush varieties, thinking of adding some rabbiteye to my collection. Would love to purchase one or two of these to make sure it stays around.

2 of my varieties (Misty and O'Neal) are starting to turn color and ripen now, season around here is usually from mid April to July or so.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: May 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM »
I think it was here I read:
http://www.petersonpawpaws.com/About.php

"In retrospect, it is clear that none of the fruit at Zimmerman's was of special quality (unlike the fruit later discovered at Blandy). That is not difficult to understand. The named cultivars in Zimmerman's collection would naturally have been grafted by Zimmerman from scion wood that cooperators mailed him. Forty years since Zimmerman's death is a long time in the life of a pawpaw tree. Doubtless the tops, the grafts, had died."

Like I say, not sure exactly the full meaning, but I guess I must have remembered that grafts eventually die off. Maybe it's unique to pawpaw, or maybe he meant in reference to something else.

Anyway, here's a pic of my 2 plants:



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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: May 02, 2015, 12:24:17 PM »
I have both mango and PA Golden varieties that I've planted in cloth pots. They are about a year old now. First year they didn't do much, and over the winter I thought maybe they were lost. But this spring they both leafed out nicely. In full Texas sun, and not watered very often, I'm thinking they must be pretty tough trees.

I'm planning to move, but once that's complete I'll be planting both of these, as well as getting 1-2 of each Peterson variety.

I believe I've read on Peterson's site, that grafts eventually die off in the long-run (~20-40 years?). Is that true of just pawpaw? Or most fruit trees? I suppose constant cultivation and grafting onto new root stock is what keeps them going. But if that's the case I may end up planting a small experimental orchard from seed as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaws in SoCal.
« on: April 29, 2015, 03:35:56 PM »
Is there any benefit to growing paw-paw in places where bananas grow well? My impression, just from reading about them, is that they're inferior and have a very short season.

Taste is pretty individual, so I wouldn't rule out pawpaw as being a fruit you might prefer. They do have many seeds inside tho.

I've heard chilling requirement on them is quite low, 100-200 hours is what I've seen needed for a good fruit set. But it could be possible with less. But I do think people that live in zones less than that for chilling end up planting something else instead of pawpaw.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Fruit - Any Problems?
« on: April 21, 2015, 10:57:48 AM »
I'm getting a big growth flush now, and fruit sizes haven't changed.

Should I just cut them off and forget about it? I would guess they would have at least grown some if anything.

Is fruit stalling like this normal some years? Looking back, it must have not been because of the cold, but maybe it just decided to bloom the wrong time of year. Ideally when would blooming start in Florida?

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Filters are a lot different than water softeners. Around here a water softening system means salt exchange. You switch out "hard" salts for "soft" ones. End of the day, it's still high TDS water. I would prefer to filter and add back anything that's needed, or to just catch rainwater.

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After it rains well, my plants always do better...just gets me thinking that while I'm not too concerned about Chlorine specifically, there's probably other things I could filter out. It could just be some plants are more sensitive than others, and eventually I'll do rain water collection. It could be the high ph of the water, maybe it's acid rain that plants love! Not certain, which is why I haven't done anything specifically as of yet.

When I was in an apartment watering with a can only, I would adjust ph of the tap water and it seemed to help, along with a good dose of coffee. With the amount of coffee I roast and drink, my plants probably live on it as much as I do!

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I've been looking into rainwater collection, but likely I just won't be able to do it until I move out to the countryside.

Do filters like this really help with city water? I find that my plants do decently on my local city water, but I know it could be a lot better. I'm thinking for $50-100 it's worth a try, but interested to see other's experience on how well they work.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian grove is complete
« on: April 17, 2015, 07:38:16 PM »
As I understand, durian likes to have a big tap root. Probably why in pots it won't do as well as in the ground. Zibethinus also gets quite large before it fruits I believe.

Best chance of fruit + flavor I think will be the zibethinus x graveolens cross.

Another idea is using different rootstocks to try to control phyto. Biggest problem that I see is just access to all these species in the US. I think this is really what is preventing major development in getting durian to fruit in sub-tropical climates.

Why don't we extend the contest to all of the continental US? Aren't some others in California trying?

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I stripped my entire Geffner Atemoya. Every leaf I took off has now turned into several leaves and at least 1 flower. Likely some will also become good size branches depending on where.

I defoliated just before spring hit, but I notice that buds are already forming underneath the leaves, maybe they would fall off on their own and push through anyway?

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